With the talk about the Cherokee Indian of fame.....I wondered if ANYONE ever heard of "Cut Kittle" who was, supposedly, an "Indian Runner" in the area. I know of Kettle Creek in Tioga Co.(?) but this man's name has been called KITTLE......Any help appreciated... Marylyn (MSA440@aol.com)

my neighbor just passed away last month and she was still using her wringer washer I wish I had room to keep it here LOL.

Just looking over an antique auction flyer and found the following: Quality Antique Auction, Saturday, June 3 - 9:30 A.M. Located at 100 River Street; Towanda, PA; Bradford County. Among Local items are the following: Towanda survey map showing Canal & Towpath (date not given); 1907 Towanda Directory, Tioga PA county atlas. Shamrock Auction Service (of Meshoppen); Jerry Burke & Assocs. 570-833-2186. Email: <shamroc1@epix.net>. ---- I'd bet that the Tioga County atlas is a Beers Atlas, similar to my 1869 atlas of Bradford County. I'd email Shamrock to inquire, but thought it best to get this note out. Dick McCracken Towanda, PA -- Plan Your Work... Work Your Plan...

Okay- First to Roland- You HAVE to be genetically identical to my husband. He was talking about he and his best pal did SEVERAL experiments with the wringer washer. His grandmother had a small Mangle at home and they owned a dry cleaners and laundry and they had a large one at the cleaners. He also has told me about on bivouac in the US Army beating his clothes with rocks in a stream. Second- although I can remember in "the old house" (aka the one with no indoor plumbing) taking a scrub board into the tub outside on sunny days and doing wash, and frozen sheets smell best, especially after a super cold wind in March; my current idea of roughing it, is running out of clean towels at the Hilton. I don't DO pioneer living! And that's a culture shock for me after living in NY, LA and PHX to move to BAKER CITY, OR where if it doesn't MOO isn't worth paying attention to! That's my nickels worth! No electric dryers, INDEED! <BG> Peggie -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Wheeler [mailto:carlwhee@quantumworld.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:11 AM To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PABRADFO] Wringer washers The first washer I remember had a copper tank that rocked back and forth to wash the clothes. It had a wringer and was used with two tubs for rinse, one with bluing. It was replaced by a "modern" washer with a tub and agitator and wringer after several tryouts, one of which had a floating agitator. We may have had more than one of these before the first automatic. The last one had a safety bar on the wringer which would release the pressure on the rolls in case one's hand got caught. Clothes hung out in freezing weather would eventually dry and if it was windy became especially soft. Carlton Wheeler

Hi, I am a Wells Township native and resident and I maintain a large database on early Wells Township families and some northern Columbia families with spillover into South Creek and Southport. I also try to maintain a database of who is researching what families so that if there is someone new researching a family I can put them in contact with anyone else researching that name. New data continues to come in. For instance, I just heard from Gail Krause who is researching the Reed and Shuart families. She supplied the name of Owens for Margaret wife of John Reed. It was known that Margaret Reed was a sister to Esther wife of James Gordon. Because of this information Ken Sullivan and Jackie Reiss who are researching the Gordon family now know the identity of Esther Gordon. Below is the database I have of Wells Township researchers. If I have missed you or if you know of someone researching a name in Wells or northern Columbia or western South Creek that I do not have, please let me know. Surname: Researcher: Adams Jim Atwell Earl L. Smith Armstrong Joe Peterson Baker Roberta Andersen Sandra Ball Sherman Barnes Leticia Rosado Russell George Van Riper Beers Sandy Cotter Jo Ann Kaufman Bird Joe Peterson Bond Joe Peterson Brewer Connie Sims Petris Nelda Holton Brown Carlton Wolfe Budd Sharon Scofield Carr Lynn Carr Sirios Colony Calvin Lee Ingram Cory J. Kelsey Jones Crandell Nancy Crandell Long Criss Norma Jenkins Davis Chris Hildebrand Fairbanks Leticia Rosado Russell Ferguson Leticia Rosado Russell Ferris Carlton Wolfe Furman Joe Peterson Garrison Nancy Crandell Long Jodi Roper Gifford Leticia Rosado Russell Goff Winston Gadsby Gordon Jackie Reiss Ken Sullivan Gustin Leticia Rosado Russell Havens Leticia Rosaod Russell Hill Sandy Cotter Sharon Scofield Hodge Kathleen Barrett Holly Sandy Cotter Sharon Scofield Joyce Tice Howland Leticia Rosado Russell Ingals Sandy Cotter Paul Ingals Jewell Arthur J. Burch Joralemon J. Kelsey Jones Judson Sheryl G. Robinson Kelly Norma Jenkins Killgore J. Kelsey Jones Leonard Kathleen Barrett Nancy Burgon Lynn Carr Sirios Lucas Sherman Barnes Mason Leticia Rosado Russell McClelland Sandy Cotter Miller Shirley Cleveland Noble J. Kelsey Jones Odell Paula O'Dell Bedell Pellet J. Kelsey Jones Reed Gail Krause Roy J. Kelsey Jones Scofield Sharon Scofield Searles Ann & Ken Brooks Linda Francsisco George Van Riper Seeley Sandy Cotter Calvin Lee Ingram Jackie Reiss Sheryl G. Robinson Tere J. Seeley Shuart Gail Krause Sims Connie Sims Petris Snover Paula Lewis Picken Leticia Rosado Russell Soper Leticia Rosado Russell Strong Louise Johns Neu Swayze Leticia Rosado Russell VanKirk J. Kelsey Jones Vannoy Al Estep Voorhees Shirley Cleveland Walker Leticia Rosado Russell Warner Sandra Ball Sherman Barnes Kathleen Barrett Sandy Cotter Lynn Carr Sirios George Van Riper West Sherman Barnes Wilcox Louise Johns Neu Wilson Sandy Cotter Wolfe Carlton Wolfe J. Kelsey Jones montrose@ptdprolog.net

Wow! all these folk hanging out clothes! I live in Littleton, Colorado (near Denver) and you just don't see that too much here any more. Clothes hung out on a line smell great! Guess that's why some fabric softener company makes a "fresh-air" scented softener! Linda -----Original Message----- From: Carol E Shedden [mailto:RHSCES@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:28 AM To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PABRADFO] Washers Just to get my two cents in, don't know much about wringer washers but I still Hang them out on the line or on the old wooden clothes rack when it rains know all about frozen sheets and jeans that stand up by themselves and trying to bet the rain drops of a surprise shower it can prove very inteeresting at times but I would not waste the money on a dryer. Thanks Carol

Hello listers, I have come across several references to 'ROUND TOP' in Tioga County. Can anyone tell me what and where that is? One of my CLARKs apparently lived there sometime after the Civil War with his wife (Phebe of Phoebe) WARTERS and there children. Thanks in advance..... Dave Clark Belmont NC

Hi Carolyn -- thanks for sharing about your trip to Tioga County. I am hoping to be able to get back "home" this year. I live in Colorado, but grew up in New York and have deep roots in Bradford County and also in Dutchess, Rockland/Orange, Ulster, Columbia Counties in New York. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Pierce [mailto:cpierce1@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:58 PM To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PABRADFO] It All Comes Out In The Wash! In response to Donna Berner, at the risk of encouraging Roland's mischievous side, I have a friend who grew up in a remote area on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, long before being connected to "civilization" on the Western Shore by the Bay Bridge. He remembers his family having a wringer washer before they had electricity in their house. It was powered by a gasoline motor which had to be "kick started." So Donna, take heart and keep on kicking! At the beginning of the month I made a trip north and visited Farmington Hill in Tioga Co. and the farm where my G-Grandfather, my grandfather and my father were born. The house is now abandoned but hasn't been that way for too long. Maybe someone will "adopt" it. In my travels over those very rural and even remote roads on Farminton Hill I found two roads, McCollum Road and McCollum Hollow Road, which were named for my ancestors who settled that area in the early 1800's. Believe me, after travelling miles and miles down roads that seemed to be only going deeper in the wilderness, I gained a heightened appreciation for the courage of our pioneer ancestors in settling the area. It was a beautiful drive when lilacs were in bloom around many foundations where houses once stood. I also visited 3 cemeteries and located graves of several ancestors thanks to the information on Joyce's website. Another West Virginia thunderstorm is rumbling in the distance. Rain and more rain!! Had better log off! Carolyn Pierce

So Roland -- the more things change, the more they stay the same! (laughing) Linda -----Original Message----- From: Roland Elliott [mailto:RolandElliott@thegrid.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 5:11 PM To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Washers My brother and I got the bright Idea to run the muslin bag of grapes through to "help my mother" with her jam!!!!!!!!!Lest I say more.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ddberner@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 16 13 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Washers > I do wish you people wouldn't remember all those things you did with your > GRANDMOTHERS! I did them with my MOTHER -- and even by myself when I became > old enough Mom didn't worry about my getting my arm caught in the wringer. > Your descriptions are wonderful and bring back many memories -- but, Gee! > you make me feel so old!!!! > > Donna Berner > >

The first washer I remember had a copper tank that rocked back and forth to wash the clothes. It had a wringer and was used with two tubs for rinse, one with bluing. It was replaced by a "modern" washer with a tub and agitator and wringer after several tryouts, one of which had a floating agitator. We may have had more than one of these before the first automatic. The last one had a safety bar on the wringer which would release the pressure on the rolls in case one's hand got caught. Clothes hung out in freezing weather would eventually dry and if it was windy became especially soft. Carlton Wheeler

Hi all, Well I have tried about everything to find my grandparents. Grandfather was born in Osceleo, Tioga county 1874. Is there some kind soul who lves there who can search for me? His name was John T Taylor, Joh had brothers Mlton E, Benjamin F, William and sisters Alice, Katherine, Bertha and may. They went to the presbyterian church maybe baptisted there and school and marriages. Yet I can find no trace of them. Grandfather married Jane Turner from allegeny City about 1901-02 and they had Mary Elizabeth 1903 and William Q 1907 some time after that they and Milton and Will ? left PA. May moved to Florida, Bertha and Kate and Ben stayed on. In 1946 when grandpa died Ben lived in Burgettstwon. William, Katherine, Alice, Berta lived in Michigan and May in Anderson county Miami Fl. I have also exhausted my search on Grams family. in 1938 when she died she had a sister Alice Turner Pyle living in Ohio near her, A sister Nellie Brown Taylor in West Newton PA and a brother Seth in Greensburg. I know where Gram and Gramp are buried , the years they were born,the years they died but thats it. I have not found out where they got married, who each parents were, if we are from England, Scotland or? If anyone out there can help I be very greatful. Its hard to do foot wrk up here in Alaska and all are dead that could have helped. Thanks Shelley (in Alaska)

Hi again All!, Do to a pricing error by one of the Volunteers (not me thank heavens,LOL!) The price on the Sipe book "The Indian Wars Of Pennsylvania" is $34.95 +tax and shipping & not $30.00 including as I had previously posted. I will (of course voluntarily) be reimbursing the Museum shop for the price difference next time I get down there & consider it well worth it! I do appologize for any inconvenience that this info may have caused anybody. Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

Just to get my two cents in, don't know much about wringer washers but I still Hang them out on the line or on the old wooden clothes rack when it rains know all about frozen sheets and jeans that stand up by themselves and trying to bet the rain drops of a surprise shower it can prove very inteeresting at times but I would not waste the money on a dryer. Thanks Carol

Hi All! I forgot to post the Phone # (oops!) for the Erie, Pa. Maritime Museum for those interested in ordering the book "The Indian Wars of Pennsylvania" by C. Hale Sipe. It is (814) 452-2744 ext. 207 & ask for Lee Kosinski. Hours Mon-Fri 9-5. I will be more than happy to check the Index for individual Surnames if anybody wants to email me privately :) PS: If you email Lee (lkosinski@team.org) (first letter of email is L) please include a number where she can reach you to set up your order! Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

What a mess!!!! ---------- >From: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Washers >Date: Wed, May 24, 2000, 5:11 PM > > My brother and I got the bright Idea to run the muslin bag of grapes through > to "help my mother" with her jam!!!!!!!!!Lest I say more.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Ddberner@aol.com> > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 16 13 PM > Subject: [PABRADFO] Washers > > >> I do wish you people wouldn't remember all those things you did with your >> GRANDMOTHERS! I did them with my MOTHER -- and even by myself when I > became >> old enough Mom didn't worry about my getting my arm caught in the wringer. >> Your descriptions are wonderful and bring back many memories -- but, Gee! >> you make me feel so old!!!! >> >> Donna Berner >> >> > >

I will admit that I did like the smell of diapers on the line. My children were born when Pampers first came out - No I didn't use them. But, I willl admit with my alergies, I do prefer the dryer. Here in Colorado, we really have no place to hang wash out. Roberta ---------- >From: Warren & Kathleen Barrett <furndr@tenforward.com> >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PABRADFO] wringer washers >Date: Wed, May 24, 2000, 7:01 PM > > I am the 7th of 10 children. I was born in 1941 and my mother continued > using her wringer washer well into the late 50's and early 60's. She just > didn't want to make the switch. She taught me how to use the washer, and > how to lift the clothing from the very hot wash and rinse waters with a > stout rod--then using the rod to get the clothing started as they were put > into the wringer. Once I was assigned the job of helping my sister-in-law > learn to use the washer when she and my brother were staying with us. I > guess I got a little sidetracked. When my sister-in-law said something had > jambed the wringer, I told her the problem was my arm was caught in > it--almost up to the elbow. I didn't suffer anything from that experience > except embarrassment. > > My mother also had a hard time using a clothes dryer. She seldom used one > even when one was in our home. She preferred hanging them on the clothes > line. That is one experience I really miss--gathering freshly washed and > dried clothes from the outside clothes line. They still smelled good when > in the winter they froze on the line and had to be thawed inside the house > on an old wooden clothes rack. Thanks for the memories. > > Kathleen Barrett > Port Angeles, WA > > >

And for my two cents. I, as a child, used the wringer - washer and even got my very long hair caught in it. But, at least all it did was straighten my hair more and the wriger itself stopped when my head hit it. Roberta ---------- >From: "Robert Matthews" <rmatthews6196@penn.com> >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] wringer washers >Date: Wed, May 24, 2000, 7:43 PM > > Well, I guess I just HAVE to add my two cents worth to this one. > I got married at the ripe age of 15 in 1965. We bought a wringer washer > because it was what I was accustom to. > The washer went through 3 kids and 12 years of that marriage. In 1980 I had > to move & sold the washer to a friend who STILL has it!!! > I have a dryer. It sits in the basement waiting for the day that I might > get an electric plug in to plug it in to......in the meantime, I have two > clotheslines. One is in the backyard and the other is on the front porch > (for rainy days). Guess you know which clothes line I have been using; > hunh? Will this rain EVER stop? > Spent this evening removing stones and rocks from our freshly plowed and > disced three acres. As I slung them to the sides I wondered if there really > will come a time when we can get our veggies in. > Rose > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren & Kathleen Barrett" <furndr@tenforward.com> > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:01 PM > Subject: [PABRADFO] wringer washers > > >> I am the 7th of 10 children. I was born in 1941 and my mother continued >> using her wringer washer well into the late 50's and early 60's. She just >> didn't want to make the switch. She taught me how to use the washer, and >> how to lift the clothing from the very hot wash and rinse waters with a >> stout rod--then using the rod to get the clothing started as they were put >> into the wringer. Once I was assigned the job of helping my sister-in-law >> learn to use the washer when she and my brother were staying with us. I >> guess I got a little sidetracked. When my sister-in-law said something > had >> jambed the wringer, I told her the problem was my arm was caught in >> it--almost up to the elbow. I didn't suffer anything from that experience >> except embarrassment. >> >> My mother also had a hard time using a clothes dryer. She seldom used one >> even when one was in our home. She preferred hanging them on the clothes >> line. That is one experience I really miss--gathering freshly washed and >> dried clothes from the outside clothes line. They still smelled good when >> in the winter they froze on the line and had to be thawed inside the house >> on an old wooden clothes rack. Thanks for the memories. >> >> Kathleen Barrett >> Port Angeles, WA >> >> >> > >

OK, list!! I feel like I am living in the dark ages - the majority of us up here in the north woods, hang our clothes out - some call it solar power - the truth is - its the only way to beat the black flies to death - that is summer. Winter is a different story - we still hang them out - the stuff freezes and we have a wicked bad time trying to get those sheets through the door - thats our remedy for cabin fever. I am sittin here in my flannel and the heat is on - and this too will change! Joyce in Millinocket, Maine

Hi, before we hang this 'washer' subject up to dry, I must admit, I hadn't realized I was so old that I used those ole washing machines. But I would do it all over, if I could have the dryer. The very best invention since electric lights, as an after thought, that first Bendix was not bad . We are all so fortunate...Nancy B

Well, I guess I just HAVE to add my two cents worth to this one. I got married at the ripe age of 15 in 1965. We bought a wringer washer because it was what I was accustom to. The washer went through 3 kids and 12 years of that marriage. In 1980 I had to move & sold the washer to a friend who STILL has it!!! I have a dryer. It sits in the basement waiting for the day that I might get an electric plug in to plug it in to......in the meantime, I have two clotheslines. One is in the backyard and the other is on the front porch (for rainy days). Guess you know which clothes line I have been using; hunh? Will this rain EVER stop? Spent this evening removing stones and rocks from our freshly plowed and disced three acres. As I slung them to the sides I wondered if there really will come a time when we can get our veggies in. Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren & Kathleen Barrett" <furndr@tenforward.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:01 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] wringer washers > I am the 7th of 10 children. I was born in 1941 and my mother continued > using her wringer washer well into the late 50's and early 60's. She just > didn't want to make the switch. She taught me how to use the washer, and > how to lift the clothing from the very hot wash and rinse waters with a > stout rod--then using the rod to get the clothing started as they were put > into the wringer. Once I was assigned the job of helping my sister-in-law > learn to use the washer when she and my brother were staying with us. I > guess I got a little sidetracked. When my sister-in-law said something had > jambed the wringer, I told her the problem was my arm was caught in > it--almost up to the elbow. I didn't suffer anything from that experience > except embarrassment. > > My mother also had a hard time using a clothes dryer. She seldom used one > even when one was in our home. She preferred hanging them on the clothes > line. That is one experience I really miss--gathering freshly washed and > dried clothes from the outside clothes line. They still smelled good when > in the winter they froze on the line and had to be thawed inside the house > on an old wooden clothes rack. Thanks for the memories. > > Kathleen Barrett > Port Angeles, WA > > >