Myrna, Thanks for your note, and thanks again for all the work you have done for the Tri- County site. By now you've probably seen Margie Strang's answer about males of militia age. It makes sense. The War of 1812 had to have been on people's mind, and from what I understand there were still some Indian disturbances. John Bauer Mendham, NJ

The 16-18 column: Boys in this column (new militia age group) are also included in Column 4 -- do not count twice in totaling. Margie Strang "W. John Bauer" wrote: > Forgive me if this question has been asked before. I missed the answer. > > Why are there overlapping categories for males in the 1820 census > records on the Tri-County site: "16 to 18" and "16 to 26"? Should the > second category be "18 to 26"? > > If the original Federal census documents have this overlapping, does > anyone know whether males 16-18 were ever actually counted twice? I > note that there is no "16-18" category for females. Did the "16-18" > category for males have anything to do with conscription? > > Thanks to Joyce for her web site and to Myrna, Kelly, and Linda for > their contributions in typing and/or formatting the 1820 census records.

To Joyce and all those who help type the newspaper abstracts, a big THANK YOU. First of all, they are just plain fun to read, secondly they are full of information. The first ones yielded some information on the twins born to my ggrandparents, Milton and Sarah FISH COVERT. But, the last ones you put on yesterday, Joyce, brought about a success story for me. And the photos are fantastic!! Sarah's parents were Horace and Mary (and I thought Mary's maiden name was Squire)FISH. I found a death notice for Hosa Squire who "died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. H.W. FISH." The notice gave enough information that I could place Hosa in Sullivan Township by 1851. There was much more information there also. Now I could go to the 1860 census for Sullivan and find Hosa's household and get the name of his wife. Can't wait to see what else I can turn up. THANK YOU, Joyce for all you do and thanks to those who help you! Joanne COVERT Baker

Does anyone know who keeps the records for the Ocseola/Fairview Cemetery? My cousin tells me there are are COLVIN family members buried there without gravestones after 1885. Paul Giometti

Forgive me if this question has been asked before. I missed the answer. Why are there overlapping categories for males in the 1820 census records on the Tri-County site: "16 to 18" and "16 to 26"? Should the second category be "18 to 26"? If the original Federal census documents have this overlapping, does anyone know whether males 16-18 were ever actually counted twice? I note that there is no "16-18" category for females. Did the "16-18" category for males have anything to do with conscription? Thanks to Joyce for her web site and to Myrna, Kelly, and Linda for their contributions in typing and/or formatting the 1820 census records.

Ken, I read your post in the Bradford gene list. The following may be of interest to you: Excerpts from handwritten account of Spencer B. Tupper, Bradford Co., PA (my great grandfather) March 1877: 1 1/2 bu clover seed $16.50 Collection to church .25 New buggy whip $ 1.00 1 lb. saltpeter $ .25 1 lb. alum $ .08 paid for entering mortgage $ 3.90 Received of peddlar for lodging $ 1.00 Paid taxes for 1876 for school $11.36 January 1877 sold 31 bu. potatoes $31.00 paid for 4 barrels salt $ 6.60 gave Ma for preacher $ 5.00 Bridge toll at Owego $ .20 Paid McCorbin for horse $ 89.00 For N.Y. Times $ 1.00 March 1881 For horses and driver $ .35 For Toilet Set $ 3.75 paper for setting room $ 2.20 gave Vesta (his wife) gold $ 5.00 for sharing horse $ .15 At 03:27 AM 5/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >I am beginning a project of a rather simple charting by decade the years 1800 ><snip> >Thanks, > >Ken Sullivan >Canyon Lake, Ca > > >

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Thanks you to all who have responded and continue to respond to my plea for help in comparing income and living costs by decade for the period 1800-1900 inclusive. Thought I might share a few tidbits with you which were received. A bookkeeper in 1890 in Elmira living in a boarding house spent 48% of their total income for food and lodging. An umbrella in 1890 cost $3.00 (equivalent to $54.00 in 1999) An 1890 band concert at .30($5.40 in 1999 dollars) was the bargain of the year. A new buggy whip in 1877 cost $1..($17.00 in 1999 dollars) Land in 1862 selling for $10.00 acre($180.00 approximate 1999 equivalent) sold for $4300 acre in 1986. Partially productive, partially unproductive land. Again thanks for your respondse. Ken Sullivan Canyon Lake, Ca

I am beginning a project of a rather simple charting by decade the years 1800 through 1900 inclusive(i.e. 1800, 1810, 1820 through 1900) income and expense data for various activities in the Tri-County are in an effort to determine variants between Tioga, Bradford and Chemung Counties, as well as get a grasp of the value of the buck at varying time frames. This is not an economic study, but rather how much did a ditch digger make in 1810, 1860, 1890, or how much did a pair of shoes cost during those times, or how much was an acre of unproductive land at such and such a period. Hopefully, any of you that have come across information that may be helpful, will forward citing the source such as (1) a government report, (2) newspaper articles, advertisements, etc. (3) historical writings and books, and (4) personal knowledge from wills, land sales, ancestry records, and (5) economic analysis for a period or county. We wish to keep it rather simple. A. Income Figures for: 1. Farming (i.e. per bale, per bushel, per peck, per pound,) 2. General labor( per hour for railroad, canal workers, general services) 3. Skilled labor and tradesman 4. Timber 5. Professional services(medical, legal, etc.) B. Land Costs per acre 1. unproductive land 2. timberlands 3. farm land 4. residential property 5. commercial property C. Costs of Living 1. Food(per item) 2. Animals(per horse, cow, pig, etc.) 3. Professional services 4. Trade services 5. Clothing(socks, shoes, , dresses, yardage) 6. Education If anyone knows of a book, some books, many books, websites, or what have you that holds the answers of the many facets of economics that went into the blood, sweat, and whatever that our ancestors experienced and/or endured I would be most grateful if you pointed me in that direction. Thanks, Ken Sullivan Canyon Lake, Ca

Hi All Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I have just uploaded St. Mary's Cemetery in Horseheads which you can reach from the Town of Horseheads page. This is another done by Boy Scouts from Troop 88, including Mark Esty. This listing includes almost 1300 burials as well as a section map and section identifiers. Good luck hunting. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Hi All, I have just uploaded a new reading of Mt. Savior Cemetery a.k.a. Good Shepherd Cemetery of Big Flats. This is particularly pleasing to me as it was done by a Boy Scout, Mark Esty, who contacted me a few months ago to see if he could read a cemetery or so for his Scouting credits. He did an excellent job and submitted quality material. He did both Mt. Savior and St. Mary's of Horseheads which I expect to have online later today. I am always pleased to see younger people getting involved with the local history. When I first "discovered" my ancestry and the history with which those people were associated, it was a great enhancement to my life. I wished I had known about it earlier in my life as it really added a new and important dimension to my life. I hope that by doing this project, Mark and other young people can develop an appreciation of our history that most of us don't come to until much later. You can reach it form the Big Flats Page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> Joyce M. Tice

Hi All Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> You can now reach the 1830 Big Flats Census from the Big Flats Township page. Take a look. I was in a hurry and made the two pages larger than they should be, so if any of you who need to see it, have trouble loading it, let me know at this address. Joyce M. Tice

Jack ,Lydia Westbrook also came down my fathers line from the early Dutch,Hornback,Westbrook;Dehooges,Decker,Jans,Westfall etc.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mitchell" <jsmitchell1@worldnet.att.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 7 03 AM Subject: [PABRADFO] Ref: Marion Smith info on th Mitchell line > Boy did I goof up on the last try, well here goes again,There are 5 > brothers,John,b29 Dec1757,mSarah Bennett..James,b1757/58,m Lydia > Westbrook,..Thomas,b abt 1762,..Richard(my line)b 5 July 1769,m Ruby > keeney,Robert,b18 July 1770,m Abagail Ives.All brothers cam through > Newtown, Thomas,Richard & later Robert settled in Tioga Pa.,ohn settled > in Catharine,Schuyler Co,and as I understand it Janes stayed in the > Newtown area........REFERENCES.... > 1. The book Tales of Tioga Pennsylvania and its people by Robert Kennedy > Young,pages 11& 12, Robert & Mercy Tyer Mitchell were the parents of > Richard & Robert Mitchell. > 2. Notes & Queries, Historical & Genealogical,relating to Interior > Pennsylvania,edited by William Egle,page 168Richard was b in orange > County N.Y. July 5 1769. > 3. 1804 History of Tioga Pennsylvania with Illustrations & Sketches of > proinent Families and Individuals:,page 24,The 3 brothers,Thomas, > Richard & Robert moved to Yioga in 1792 or 93. Two other brothers > settled inChemung and at Johnstown N Y. > 4. Genealogical & Personal History of northern Pa. ol II,page 558 > Richard Mitchell,son of nathaniel was b in orange N.July 5 1769 & d in > Tioga Pa. > 5. LDS Ancestor file Nathaniel Mitchell,b 1743,sp,Abigail Harris,son > Richard b 5 July 1769,orange NJ > 6. History of Tioga County Penn. by R C Brown& Co. 1897, page 987 > Richard Mitchell,one of the first settlers of Yioga Pa. was b in orange > County NJ > 7. Genealogical abstracts of revolutionary war pension files, vol.II:F-M > Page 2280 John,Sara w21800,nj& ny line aol was b 29 dec 1757 at > Warwick,in orange Co. NY > 8.History of town of Catharine,Schuyler County NY by Mrs. Robert > Clever,John Mitchell was the son of Jame > Mitchell wo appeared on the assessment rolls of 1775 at warwick orange > County N Y > If anyone can ad to this please let me know. Jack in Sav. > >

Boy did I goof up on the last try, well here goes again,There are 5 brothers,John,b29 Dec1757,mSarah Bennett..James,b1757/58,m Lydia Westbrook,..Thomas,b abt 1762,..Richard(my line)b 5 July 1769,m Ruby keeney,Robert,b18 July 1770,m Abagail Ives.All brothers cam through Newtown, Thomas,Richard & later Robert settled in Tioga Pa.,ohn settled in Catharine,Schuyler Co,and as I understand it Janes stayed in the Newtown area........REFERENCES.... 1. The book Tales of Tioga Pennsylvania and its people by Robert Kennedy Young,pages 11& 12, Robert & Mercy Tyer Mitchell were the parents of Richard & Robert Mitchell. 2. Notes & Queries, Historical & Genealogical,relating to Interior Pennsylvania,edited by William Egle,page 168Richard was b in orange County N.Y. July 5 1769. 3. 1804 History of Tioga Pennsylvania with Illustrations & Sketches of proinent Families and Individuals:,page 24,The 3 brothers,Thomas, Richard & Robert moved to Yioga in 1792 or 93. Two other brothers settled inChemung and at Johnstown N Y. 4. Genealogical & Personal History of northern Pa. ol II,page 558 Richard Mitchell,son of nathaniel was b in orange N.July 5 1769 & d in Tioga Pa. 5. LDS Ancestor file Nathaniel Mitchell,b 1743,sp,Abigail Harris,son Richard b 5 July 1769,orange NJ 6. History of Tioga County Penn. by R C Brown& Co. 1897, page 987 Richard Mitchell,one of the first settlers of Yioga Pa. was b in orange County NJ 7. Genealogical abstracts of revolutionary war pension files, vol.II:F-M Page 2280 John,Sara w21800,nj& ny line aol was b 29 dec 1757 at Warwick,in orange Co. NY 8.History of town of Catharine,Schuyler County NY by Mrs. Robert Clever,John Mitchell was the son of Jame Mitchell wo appeared on the assessment rolls of 1775 at warwick orange County N Y If anyone can ad to this please let me know. Jack in Sav.

Hi Crlton, when did you move to 18 th Street in Elmira Heights NY. as far as I knew you always lived there.jack in Sav. Carlton Wheeler wrote: > > Linda, > > I can remember my mother using a washboard occasionally when some item > couldn't wait for the weekly wash and I remember seeing them in the > stores in the 30's. I can remember my grandmother washing clothes using > "stompers" which looked like upsidedown funnels on long sticks. Then she > got a gasoline powered washer as electricity didn't reach the farm in > Wilmot township until the 40's. > > Carlton Wheeler

Hi All Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I have finally updated the Family Reunions page for submissions for this summer. You can check this out from Box 10A of the Online Research Library of the Site. If any of the rest of you want to announce a reunion, send it to me at this address with Reunion in the subject line. If it does not have Reunion in the subject line, it will not be found when I use the Find feature in searching my saved emails. If any of you have already submitted reunion announcements that are not now on the page, resubmit them with Reunion in the subject line so that they can be identified as such. Joyce M. Tice http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Need ancestry of: I. Albert WHITE m. Nancy or Mary TITUS II. Francelia White, b. August 23, 1856 East Herrick, Wyoming Co., PA and d. August 09, 1925 at her home, Stevensville, Herrick Town, Bradford Co., PA m. July 02, 1872, John TROWBRIDGE, Jr. He, b. September 23, 1852, Camptown, PA, and d. January 21, 1942, East Herrick, Wyoming Co., PA, bu. East Herrick Cemetery. Their ch: i. William ii. Harry iii. Stephen iv. Andrew v. Lloyd vi. Marian/Mary Ann TROWBRIDGE, b. September 30, 1889, Laceyville, Tuscarora Township, Wyoming Co., PA m. Melvin Stanley ROCKWELL (my grandparents) vii. Edward viii. Jacob (most of these brothers are buried in Camptown, PA and one in Lebanon, PA) I have several more dates for these children, but am most interested in Francelia White's ancestry. Grandma (Marian, above) said that they were French Hugenots from near the Hudson River in NY. Any help appreciated. Susan Austin SusanAustin@hotmail.com ~~~~ EDWARD WHITE FAM OF ROME, NY & MODENA WI Posted by: Mardelle Probasco Date: May 19, 1999 at 11:14:47 EDWARD EMMETT WHITE born June 21, 1846, reports that he was born in Herkimer County, NY. His father's family was from Rome, New York. His father was Albert White and his mother was Nancy Malissa (Clark) White. Nancy married Albert, bore their son, Edward Emmett, and after Albert died, married Albert's brother Edward. She then bore another son, Myron White. Later on after her husband, Edward, also died she married a third brother William White in Modena, Wisconsin. Albert's parents are James and Sophia White of Rome, NY. Nancy Malissa's parents are Moses and Nancy Clark. Edward Emmett fathered 12 living children. My father, Chester Bradford White was next to the youngest child born. Edward Emmett was 56 years old when Chester was born. Chester's mother is Carrie Flakoy Hanson from Skjak Norway in the Gudbrandsdalen region. I am looking for earlier generations to this family. Nancy Malissa is reported to be of the George Rodgers Clark and William Clark family. Would like information to establish this connection. http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?albert::white::3552.html >>From: JaxBeachFL@aol.com To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject:[PABRADFO] White's in Monroe Bradford Co. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:43:44 EDT Looking for family history information and to complete this line. Thanks. Sylvester was born in CT, to Delaware Co, to Tompkins Co, to Tioga Co NY, to Bradford Co., to Wisconsin. Descendants of Sylvester White 1 Sylvester White 1784 - 1882 . +Margaret Boice Abt 1785 - Aft 1860 ..... 2 Abraham White 1807 - 1891 ........ +Louisa Stilson Abt 1815 - Aft 1870 ............ 3 John B. White 1840 - Aft 1900 ............... +Prudence 1848 - Aft 1900 ................... 4 George White 1875 - ................... 4 Laurisa White 1881 - ................... 4 Anna White 1885 - ................... 4 Minnie White 1890 - ............ 3 Jacob White Abt 1841 - ............ 3 Nelson J. White 1842 - Aft 1900 ............... +Florence 1852 - Aft 1900 ................... 4 William White 1880 - Aft 1900 ............ 3 Mary M. White Abt 1844 - ..... 2 John White 1809 - 1899 ........ +Mary? Eastman ..... *2nd Wife of John White: ........ +Catherine B. Irvine ..... *3rd Wife of John White: ........ +Sophia Mingos Abt 1829 - Bef 1860 ............ 3 E. J. White Abt 1840 - ............ 3 S. White Abt 1848 - ..... *4th Wife of John White: ........ +Mary Larribee Abt 1816 - Aft 1880 ............ 3 Emery White Abt 1844 - ............ 3 Sylvanus White Abt 1848 - ............ 3 Eddie White Abt 1852 - ............... +Hattie Abt 1855 - ............ 3 Daniel White Abt 1852 - ............ 3 Phreha Abt 1856 - ............ 3 Roxanna White Abt 1859 - ............ 3 George White Abt 1860 - ............ 3 Jennie White Abt 1864 - ............ 3 Fred White Abt 1867 - ............ 3 William White Abt 1869 - ............ 3 Samuel White Abt 1876 - ..... 2 Sarah Ann White 1812 - ..... 2 Mary Eliza White 1814 - ........ +? DuBois ............ 3 Malinda DuBois Abt 1846 - ..... 2 Juliet E. White 1816 - 1903 ........ +Charles Douglass 1814 - 1856 ..... 2 William White 1819 - 1899 ........ +Ann F. Chamberlain 1838 - Aft 1900 ............ 3 Ida White Abt 1859 - ............ 3 Peallin H. White Abt 1872 - ..... 2 Kate 1821 - 1915 ........ +John B. Irvine ..... 2 George W. White 1824 - 1894 ........ +Augusta Pettigrove ..... 2 G. Elie White 1826 - Aft 1850 ..... 2 Roxy White 1829 - Aft 1860 ........ +Warren Wellington Goff Abt 1826 - Aft 1860 ............ 3 Emma Goff Abt 1852 - ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I told Linda that she knew what a washboard was even if she never used one. Roberta Selub ---------- >From: Carlton Wheeler <carlwhee@quantumworld.com> >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PABRADFO] Washboards >Date: Fri, May 26, 2000, 10:16 PM > > Linda, > > I can remember my mother using a washboard occasionally when some item > couldn't wait for the weekly wash and I remember seeing them in the > stores in the 30's. I can remember my grandmother washing clothes using > "stompers" which looked like upsidedown funnels on long sticks. Then she > got a gasoline powered washer as electricity didn't reach the farm in > Wilmot township until the 40's. > > Carlton Wheeler > >

Linda, You know what a washboard is . Although you never used it, you knew about it as I did so when I was a child and told you about it. Mom ---------- >From: Lucinda-June Chapman <sisterbluerose@yahoo.com> >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PABRADFO] Roland, I thought a washboard was a musical >Date: Fri, May 26, 2000, 10:04 PM > > "Roland, I thought a washboard was a musical > instrument? > > Linda S." > > HeHeHe > Linda, the washboard is a musical instrument NOW. It > started out as a laundry instrument. > Take a large kettle. Flake soap into it. Build fire > under it. put in washboard, dirty clothes. rub the > clothes against the board. remove the board. boil > clothes. let cool, rinse. wring, hang. supposed to be > easier than just by hand. Filled the kettle with water > from a well. Laundry took all day. Read this > discription somewhere, supposed to be true. > > > > > > ===== > Sister Blue Rose > http://www.egroups.com/subscribe.cgi/ER4YTtypeO > http://www.broadcast.com/books/scifi/strangerinastrangeland_981.html > http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/ZellRavenheart2K > http://www.etour.com/default.asp?associd=aff18605 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > >

Linda, I can remember my mother using a washboard occasionally when some item couldn't wait for the weekly wash and I remember seeing them in the stores in the 30's. I can remember my grandmother washing clothes using "stompers" which looked like upsidedown funnels on long sticks. Then she got a gasoline powered washer as electricity didn't reach the farm in Wilmot township until the 40's. Carlton Wheeler