>From: "Deborah E. Harkness" <deharkness@ucdavis.edu> >Reply-To: deharkness@ucdavis.edu >Organization: Department of History, University of California, Davis >To: Gwen Mecum Hunt <airlaunch@thegrid.net> >Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Harkness / McClelland > >Dear Gwen: > >I don't subscribe, so can you post this on the list? I would contact >her directly, but there is no email address. > >Dear Debbie: > >I am descended from the Harknesses of Bradford County, through (Captain) >John Harkness and his wife Rachel McNall. I believe that you are >descended from his brother, William, who was married to Esther Bridge, >but I could be wrong about that. It will be nice to be in touch with >you. I'm not on the list, so please email me at deharkness@ucdavis.edu > >Best, >Deb Harkness (another one!) >Thanks Gwen! >Deb ------------------ You wrote: Hi list, Are there any descendants of the Harkness family of Bradford Co. out there? Ebenezer Harkness b.1784 (my 4th great grandfather) was an early settler and his son Loren (my 3rd great) was born there 1816. Ebenezer's siblings, James and Polly, both married McClellands. Debbie Harkness Lashua ------------------- GWEN MECUM HUNT airlaunch@thegrid.net Templeton, CA Searching every nook and cranny for ancestors: BAKER, BRINK, CODY, FORBES, FRENCH, GROVER, HAYDEN, HORTON, HUNDT, JONES, KNOWLES, LLOYD, MANNING, MECUM, MYERS, RAMSAY, RUSSELL, SCOTT, SMITH, SKINNER, SWARTOUT, WILLIAMS, WILSON et al.... Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor! Check out my Rootsweb WorldConnect website: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=mecum1

J. Kelsey Jones is correct, the mound upon which this cemetery sits is, most likely, of glacial origin and the term he's racking his brain for is "drumlin", a smooth elongated hill composed of glacial till. There are many of these all over northern PA. The clincher was Paul Newell's description of it being about 100 feet long, 30 feet wide and 10 feet high, typical proportions for a drumlin, albeit a small one. I'd be willing to bet that it's rounded at the northern end and somewhat more pointed at the other, unless it was altered for some reason when it became a cemetery. I suspect that there may even be other drumlins which have been used as cemeteries. They are made up of various sizes of smooth rocks and sandy soil and would thus be relatively easy to dig in with hand tools. Glad to be of help. Dave Kester ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

While sorting through memorabilia passed on to me from my Tioga Co. ancestors, I found a small book of 100 pages entitled "Kemp's Life Story." The book is signed by the author, Harry C. Kemp, who wrote the book at age 92. It was published in 1960 by Carlton Press, New York. Beneath the authors signature, in my great-aunt's handwriting is is a notation that reads, "Given to Sue E. Borden who gave it to Stella B. Pierce. Neighbors all in Farmington, Tioga Co., PA." It is a delightful reading experience which I highly recommend not only for folks who have ancestors who lived on Farmington Hill but those who are interested in what farm life was like in Northern PA in the late 19th and early 20th century. Hopefully, this book is available in Tioga Co. libraries for inter-library loan for those who are interested. From this book I learned that my g-g-uncle, Willard Pierce, was a harness maker in Elkland which was verified by my search through Tioga Co. death records in Wellsboro. The inside book jacket reads: Born in the sixth decade of the 19th century, a few years after the close of the Civil War, Harry C. Kemp has lived a full, rich and rewarding life. A nonagenarian, mentally alert and actively participating in the world around him, he has set down in the pages of this book all those memories he wishes to preserve. A descendant of pioneer stock who settled near Tioga in northern Pennsylvania, close to the New York State border, Harry C. Kemp was born on a farm on Farmington Hill. In the heavily wooded and beautiful hill country of his native Tioga County, he learned the ways and mysteries of Nature. Artistically endowed, he studied at a Normal School in Minnesota and the State Normal School in Mansfield, Pennsylvania, but family necessity as well as personal choice turned him to agriculture. In his youth and early manhood he became a farmer. He graphically describes the hardships and joys of farm life during the last decades of the 19th Century before the advent of farm machinery and modern implements. Here are vivid descriptions of tabacco growing, horse raising, cattle and sheep breeding, "sugaring off," maple syrup making and buckwheat culture. In his mature years he became a builder and carpenter and was well known in his local environs for his manual skills. The author conjures up with tender nostalgia his experience-studded past and warmly tells the inside story of his family life. Adhering to the chronologic pattern, Mr. Kemp allows the reader to follow him year after year from his early childhood, through his years of maturity, up to the present time. Many local figures--the landed gentry, the merchants, the farm folk and the people of the backwoods--move through these pages which cover more than three generations. The latter part of "Kemps Life Story" is cast in the form of a diary. The entries, swift and succinct, reveal the many events that crowded the author's years before and after the two great wars of the Twentieth Century. This is the unvarnished, simple and honest self-protrait of a hard-working, clean-living, sturdy American citizen who stuck close to his native roots and family ties. And always in the portrait's background loom the hills and valleys, the woods and fields and streams of quiet little villages of the middle North Pennsylvania country where the author first saw the light of day. Carolyn Pierce

Family history indicates that Christian D. GLECKLER and Robert CUSTARD served in the Civil War. Does anyone have information on either of these two men and what unit they may have served in? Both were married to Kathrine Heyler, my gg grandaunt. Thank you. Bob Hill rhill@sprynet.com Knoxville, TN

--part1_bd.40460b1.266fca19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/7/00 8:49:20 AM Central Daylight Time, d-thiel@WILL.uiuc.edu writes: << ANCESTORS airs Tuesdays at 2:00 pm; you can find the listing on page 4 of this month's "Patterns." The first episode ran yesterday. There are 12 more episodes in the series, and then we'll repeat the entire batch so that you needn't miss any. I hope that this helps! David Thiel Program Director WILL-TV >> Hi Everybody - I received this not from WILL-TV-- our central Illinois PBS STATION this morning. It might be well if we all wrote and thanked them for carrying it. Harriet iin Decatur, IL SEARCH NAMES: REYNOLDS, RARIDEN, GUNNELS, DASHIELL, GREER, FAIRHURST (Denver area 1910-1915) , --part1_bd.40460b1.266fca19_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <d-thiel@WILL.uiuc.edu> Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:49:20 -0400 Received: from will1.will.uiuc.edu (will1.will.uiuc.edu [128.174.79.152]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v74.16) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:49:01 -0400 Received: by will1.will.uiuc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <LR8QTH3W>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: <E38E3D0F4041D3118A7D0090278552EA1E24A5@will1.will.uiuc.edu> From: "Thiel, David" <d-thiel@WILL.uiuc.edu> To: Hrariden@aol.com Subject: RE: PBS - ANCESTRY SERIES Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:53:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > There is a very interesting, and very important series airing > soon called ANCESTRY > I looked in Patterns magazine and could not find it ANCESTORS airs Tuesdays at 2:00 pm; you can find the listing on page 4 of this month's "Patterns." The first episode ran yesterday. There are 12 more episodes in the series, and then we'll repeat the entire batch so that you needn't miss any. I hope that this helps! David Thiel Program Director WILL-TV --part1_bd.40460b1.266fca19_boundary--

have to jump in on this one - LOL! Actually, Suzanne, Eve was indeed "tempted" by the serpent, however, the Good Book DOES say that God told them NOT TO EAT from the apple tree (Tree of Knowledge) - everything else in the garden was "fair game" (pardon the pun!) She thought God would never know and hence "shared" with Adam. End result of course is the pain that accompanies childbirth - God's punishment for disobeying his rules... of course --- all of this subject to interpretation!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Guinn <swguinn@kanza.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] forgotten history >and then women had us bite the apple instead of the serpent.R. Au Contraire (sp?) The Woman was deceived, the Man WILLFULLY chose! :-) and HE chose the apple! He could have chosen the serpant!!! ;-) Suzanne Guinn swguinn@kanza.net

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Rest assured, my friends, most of the information posted this morning about a forgotten history is more myth than fact.

Hi, Joyce, Just wanted to let you know that in some parts of the country, ( I live in Washington state), the Ancestors show is beginning in July. Go to your PBS stations web page and put in the word Ancestors and it should show up. If you just check the June schedule will not be listed. I also e-mail my station and got a prompt reply. Sharon S_Foree@Prodigy.net PS. Thanks for all your hard work, Joyce. I love your site.

Roland, I KNOW I will regret responding to this but............. As I recall, man had to be put to sleep before the rib was TAKEN.............that means it was not so freely offered after all. Didn't freely give the rib. Didn't freely give the vote. Didn't freely give the shoes. Think I will stop at that. Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Fw: Forgotten History - The American Revolution > Oh yes women,males made a grave error by giving them shoes and letting them > vote.It is way to late to put the cork back in the bottle,we will pay > heavily through eternity for that error,and after all we gave the rib that > started it all,and then women had us bite the apple instead of the serpent.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <County3@aol.com> > To: <RolandElliott@thegrid.net>; <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 14 22 PM > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Fw: Forgotten History - The American Revolution > > > > Thanks for posting that update of history. It is indeed sugar coated and > > filtered as we are taught it. We might add to that list of realities that > it > > pretty well left women out altogether and placed them under an entirely > > different existence, not as full citizens until the 1920s or even later. > In > > spite of Abigail Adams' plea "Don't forget the 'Ladies' " both the > 'ladies' > > and the women were indeed forgotten and left politically powerless until > > recent times. > > > > Thanks again for that essay. Joyce M. Tice <A > > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy > Site > > of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > > >

>and then women had us bite the apple instead of the serpent.R. Au Contraire (sp?) The Woman was deceived, the Man WILLFULLY chose! :-) and HE chose the apple! He could have chosen the serpant!!! ;-) Suzanne Guinn swguinn@kanza.net

Oh yes women,males made a grave error by giving them shoes and letting them vote.It is way to late to put the cork back in the bottle,we will pay heavily through eternity for that error,and after all we gave the rib that started it all,and then women had us bite the apple instead of the serpent.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <County3@aol.com> To: <RolandElliott@thegrid.net>; <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 14 22 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Fw: Forgotten History - The American Revolution > Thanks for posting that update of history. It is indeed sugar coated and > filtered as we are taught it. We might add to that list of realities that it > pretty well left women out altogether and placed them under an entirely > different existence, not as full citizens until the 1920s or even later. In > spite of Abigail Adams' plea "Don't forget the 'Ladies' " both the 'ladies' > and the women were indeed forgotten and left politically powerless until > recent times. > > Thanks again for that essay. Joyce M. Tice <A > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site > of Joyce M. Tice</A> >

Hi list, Are there any descendants of the Harkness family of Bradford Co. out there? Ebenezer Harkness b.1784 (my 4th great grandfather) was an early settler and his son Loren (my 3rd great) was born there 1816. Ebenezer's siblings, James and Polly, both married McClellands. Debbie Harkness Lashua p.s. -it's still raining hard in Ma. :)

OK The original posting was good and the historical response was also appropriate, but all other responses should go ONLY to the original sender and not to the list - PLEASE - If they are not of historical interest to a general audience please send only to the sender. We don't need to generate a load of mail that has no value to any of us. Thanks a lot for complying. The list is set to automatically respond to the sender. I have noted of late that many responses that would appropriately have gone to the sender have been overridden, I suspect by the guest's ISP rather than deliberately, and have come back to the list. If your ISP is one of those that overrides that setting to go to the sender only, please override it manually to go back to the sender. If we are discussing a historical topic or if your response to a historical question also has historical content then that should be sent back to the list where we can all benefit from it. It is also appropriate to send a friendly note to the list as we all have many friends of long standing we have made over the years, BUT responses to that should go to the sender only and not to the list. To be specific "Hi, I'm Back" is fine. Responses to that should go only to the sender. Thanks a lot, Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A>

<< My belief is that the Fries Cemetery is a natural glacier mound. It has been awhile since I took Junior High science and the name of these types of mounds has escaped me, but they are quite common, and I know of no instance in this area for that time period of any early white settlers hauling dirt to make that large of a mound. >> I agree with Kelsey that this is a natural formation. Our ancestors at that time had neither the time nor the resources to create an artificial mound of that size. Kelsey is correct that there are many other examples of this formation in our glaciated area. The area of Wellsburg is an example of another, even larger, formation of this type. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A>

> > The American Revolution > > Of all the myths that surround the American Revolution, > perhaps the most preposterous is the notion the war was > fought by Americans seeking self-determination against a > foreign power. Nothing could be further from the truth. > The American Revolution pitted American against American. > In some cases, as in the case of Benjamin Franklin, family > member fought against family member. In fact, an equal > number of people fought for the British as opposed them. > This included slaves who fought for the British because > they were promised their freedom. > > Another myth holds that the minutemen were loyal Americans > who left their farms and business when their country needed > their help. This again is false. The average minuteman was > poor and not middle class. He often joined the army in hopes > that he would be able to improve his economic plight. > > What happened to the Americans who fought for the British? > They were dealt with harshly. Countless loyalists were > tarred and feathered and forced to turn over millions in > property. This was a war where one elite fought the other. > > Over 80,000 were driven to Canada and their property was > confiscated. Many spent their remaining days in poverty. > In fact, the American Revolution produced more emigres than > the French Revolution. Slaves who opposed the revolution > were returned to their slave masters. > > Equally distressful are the myths about the virtues of the > Revolutionary leaders. While every child is told about John > Paul Jones's declaration, "I have not yet begun to fight," > few are reminded that he became a well-paid mercenary of the > Russian queen Catherine the Great. Or that Robert Morris, > who financed much of the revolution, used his position to > enrich himself. > > Probably the most over-rated hero is Ethan Allen. Allen's > claim to fame comes from his daring raid on Fort Ticonderoga, > but his financial dealings are overlooked. Allen opened > secret negations with the British in hopes of gaining > recognition for over a quarter of a millions acres of > disputed Vermont land. At one point he promised to take > Vermont out of the war but the British would not go through > with the deal and Allen's plan fell through. > > Revolutionary heroes also fell far short in their deeds, > compared with their eloquent words. Patrick Henry is > remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death." > Apparently this quest for liberty did not include slaves. > Henry fought as passionately for slavery as he did > independence. All throughout the revolution he added slaves > to his plantation and after the war, unlike many of his > contemporaries including Washington, never freed any of > them. After several business failures, he grew wealthy off > the work of his slaves. > > Misconceptions persist not only about who fought the war but > what kind of war it was. This was a classic European style > war, not a guerrilla war. This was not England's Vietnam. > In the end America was able to overcome the British because > of French help and the improvement of their standing army. > > Every child is taught that the minuteman was a great shot. > The evidence is to the contrary. At Concord and Lexington > one soldier commented "not one American in ten hit a redcoat > that day." Which was hardly surprising since the farmers > were used to using buckshot. Who won the revolution? Poor > farmers who were later betrayed by the Centennial Congress, > but that's another story. >

Thanks for posting that update of history. It is indeed sugar coated and filtered as we are taught it. We might add to that list of realities that it pretty well left women out altogether and placed them under an entirely different existence, not as full citizens until the 1920s or even later. In spite of Abigail Adams' plea "Don't forget the 'Ladies' " both the 'ladies' and the women were indeed forgotten and left politically powerless until recent times. Thanks again for that essay. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Rietsch" <prietsch@ismi.net> To: <NEBRRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: [NEBRRoots] 1891 Shippers Gaz Complete > Dear All, > > If this is a duplicate, please forgive, and then delete. Since this project > covers some 45 states and 3 Canadian provinces, it is hard to know where to > send out the info so people know it exists. I am not on any Canadian lists, > so if someone wants to pass this on, I would appreciate it. > > 1891 Shippers Gazetteer COMPLETE > > http://www.LivGenMI.com/1891shippersgaz.htm > > Finally the thousands and thousands of names and business > owners that did business with the various railroads listed in the 1891 > Shippers Gaz are uploaded to match the R.R. maps that I uploaded some time > ago. I have all of the R.R. completed and have even added a search engine > for your benefit. Also check out the indexes I have created for each > individual R.R. section. The name spelling was terrible, so check the entire > letter of a name you are researching, as some names are spelled 3 and 4 > different ways. I just completed the final stage of the site which was to > scan in the hundreds of ads included in the gaz. I also pulled any names > shown on the images into a searchable index so even if they were not listed > as a business in the gaz, you may find that missing person. > > Still healing from the knee surgery last week...so things are not going as > quickly as normal...but off to find another new project to start on. > > Enjoy! > > Pam > > http://www.LivGenMI.com Home of the 1895 atlas & many more historical maps > & books for the U.S. in the Memorial On-Line Library > > http://www.ChaseNEgw.com Home of the 1891 Shippers Dispatch Gazetteer > > http://www.ShepherdsVoice.org Home of Shepherd of the Lakes Lutheran Church > Brighton MI. Come pay us a visit! > > If you use any of the above or any of the hundreds of bits of information I > have put on the net for you.....Your Obligation is to complete your "Hug > Homework"! > > Pam - List Lady prietsch@ismi.net > > > ==== NEBRRoots Mailing List ==== > A Genealogical List to Post Individual Queries. > Nebraska History, Memories, and Trivia are at: > NEBRHeritage-L@rootsweb.com > >

Hi All, I discovered this postcard at a flea market this past weekend and if this person is someone from your family you are welcome to it. It was sent to a Mrs. E. W. Vough-- it might be C. W. Vough-- in Dushore, Pa. The post mark on this card is in Sayre, Pa on Oct 8, 1910. The front is a picture of the Chemung River, Athens, PA. The message is as follows: " I was just up to see Esther, she feels pretty good but caught a little cold yesterday. She hasn't been out of bed yet. Lyman is working. I am well how are all you folks? Millie " If any of this fits your welcome to the card, just send me your name and address. Lisa Cordero Scranton, PA

Hi all; I must send a retraction on one of my statements about Skymap 2000. It does not contain county information. God has blessed me with too many toys and I guess I get them mixed up. I use Rand McNally's Route Planner to look up county's. This piece of software comes on CDRom, cost me about 10 dollars and comes with a wonderful road atlas. We bought this one at our neighborhood Hy-Vee store. Both are wonderful map programs.Sorry about the error. Bruce Preston in Missouri