Hi Listers: I happened to catch the last half of The 1900 House on PBS last night, it was really facinating. There are three more episodes to air. Check it out at pbs.org. elizabeth greene; in cold,rainy, gloomy Oswego, NY

MAZELTOV! Anne Pratt Slatin Stamford, NY "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ---Arthur Schopenhauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda D. Epstein" <lepstein@erols.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Completely offtopic > Please forgive me, but I need to brag just a tad... > > > Pick up today's USAToday today (monday June 12) > > That is the ring bearer and flower girl from my wedding. The ring bearer is my > first cousin, once removed. His ancestors, EPSTEIN, came from Grodno Russia and > situated in Elmira, NY in the early 1900s (there- see? I made it relevant!). The > flower girl is my goddaughter, who's mom went to Syracuse with me. >

----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Elliott <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> To: Robert L. Rice <laverner@ezonline.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] OFF TOPIC America Before Columbus > Good job Bob .post it,it is about as true as what I wrote,The truth is > rarely and accumulation of the facts but rather ones interpretation of the > facts,you can quote me.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Rice" <laverner@ezonline.com> > To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10 04 AM > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] OFF TOPIC America Before Columbus > > > > Dear Roland: > > American Indians prior to European settlement were hardly a paragon of > > virtue. They warred with other tribes, held captive Indians as slaves, > > practiced cannibalism, burned other Indians at the stake, skinned other > > Indians alive and in many cases, wiped out neighboring and competitive > > tribes. Those in North America, as new Europeans first knew them, existed > in > > peace for the most part because they were proficient warriors and because > > some of them were part of Indian leagues (such as the Iroquois nation) > under > > the coercion of stronger tribes. For everything good as offered up by the > > Indians, there are examples of atrocities equally perpetrated on early > > settlers and competitor tribes. To be brutally frank, they are no longer a > > dominant influence because they were poor and lying traders and because of > > disease and inadequate warring powers. In other words, they lost! To be > > quite frank, I grow very tired of this "POLITICALLY CORRECT" view of the > > Indians as some example to be followed by a parade of sycophantic United > > States citizens. Sure, we can learn from every society but you must hold > > them up AS A WHOLE ... GOOD AND EVIL (not just the attractive or > interesting > > aspects!). If you want to distribute this kind of romantic propaganda > about > > the Indians, present the whole story, not just the attractive parts. > > > > Bob Rice > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Roland Elliott <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:13 PM > > Subject: [PABRADFO] OFF TOPIC America Before Columbus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America Before Columbus > > > > > > > > When Columbus came to America in 1492, there were over 75 > > > > million people, twenty-five million living in North America, > > > > inhabiting the land he supposedly discovered. Columbus called > > > > them Indians believing he had reached the east by going west. > > > > > > > > The natives had migrated across the Bering Straits and settled > > > > into warmer areas of the continent. The Hopi Indians were > > > > building cliff dwellings, farming and creating villages about > > > > a thousand years before Christ in what is now New Mexico. > > > > > > > > When Julius Caesar was conquering the Western world an Indian > > > > culture called the Moundbuilders, who lived in the Ohio > > > > Valley, were making huge structures out of earth. One of them > > > > was said to be over three miles long and the area served as > > > > a trading post. Indians came from the west, the Gulf of Mexico > > > > and the Midwest to trade and exchange goods. So you can see a > > > > system of trade and commerce existed before Columbus arrived. > > > > > > > > In what is now called Pennsylvania and upper state New York > > > > lived the Iroquois. The Iroquois lived in villages and had a > > > > very sophisticated social system which was in many ways > > > > superior to the European culture. The land was worked in > > > > common and was owned by the whole nation. > > > > > > > > Women held a much higher place in the Iroquois culture versus > > > > the European. For instance, family names were tied to the > > > > women not the men. When a man married, he joined the family > > > > of his wife. Women farmed the land while the men hunted for > > > > fish and game. Men and women shared power and the European > > > > model of male dominance was conspicuously absent in Iroquois > > > > culture. Children were not punished harshly and taught > > > > equality in possessions. This is contrasted with the severity > > > > of the Puritans who believed in harsh punishment. > > > > > > > > What did the culture of the Europeans bring to the new world? > > > > The Europeans were a society of both rich and poor, controlled > > > > by priests, governors and male heads of families. The Iroquois > > > > society had no laws, sheriffs, judges or juries, however > > > > boundaries of behavior existed. If someone stole food or shamed > > > > their family, they were banished until they had morally atoned > > > > for their actions. > > > > > > > > So this was the land Columbus "found." There was no written > > > > language but their history was passed on by an oral culture > > > > that was far superior to the Europeans. They told their > > > > history through songs and fables. They paid attention to > > > > the development of an individual's personality. This kind of > > > > community lasted among natives long after the Indians were > > > > conquered. John Collier who lived with the tribes of the > > > > American Southwest said of the spirit of the natives, "if > > > > we could make it our own, there would be an eternally > > > > inexhaustible earth and a forever lasting peace." > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is myth-making. But these ideas have been > > > > repeated in European journals. What can we learn from this? > > > > First, we can see that hierarchy leads to divisions in all > > > > societies and this stratification of power leads to dominance > > > > by a few to the cost of many. This is true of all European > > > > systems whether it be capitalism or communism. Secondly, mere > > > > laws and punishment do not lead to a peaceful society. Maybe > > > > we should study other cultures in our schools and incorporate > > > > some of their beliefs into our own violent society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello This must be the Stephen Pratt who drowned but he was in Hector NY formerly in Victor, Ontario Co and his son Adam Livingston PRATT was in Warren Co PA Here is the obit for Stephen wife was Elizabeth "Betsey" PALMER there may have been more children I only have 1 Obituary in the Geneva Gazette 30 August 1815: Drowned - In Lake Erie, near Buffalo, Mr Stephen Pratt, brick maker and brick layer, aged about 50 years. He formerly lived in Hector, Seneca county. His effects are in the hands of Mr Welcome Wood, of Buffalo. If you find any other info on him please let me know Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret James" <margaretj@earthlink.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Town of Pratt > Does anyone know where the Town of Pratt was/is? I found it mentioned in > a journal: > > "Stephen Pratt, a pioneer settler in the Town of Pratt, a lake country > community not far from Seneca" > > Stephen Pratt was born about 1765 and died in 1815. I have searched all > the counties surrounding Seneca Lake and don't find a Town of Pratt. > Could it be Prattsburg in Steuben Co? or does it no longer exist? > > Margaret James > >

> America Before Columbus > > When Columbus came to America in 1492, there were over 75 > million people, twenty-five million living in North America, > inhabiting the land he supposedly discovered. Columbus called > them Indians believing he had reached the east by going west. > > The natives had migrated across the Bering Straits and settled > into warmer areas of the continent. The Hopi Indians were > building cliff dwellings, farming and creating villages about > a thousand years before Christ in what is now New Mexico. > > When Julius Caesar was conquering the Western world an Indian > culture called the Moundbuilders, who lived in the Ohio > Valley, were making huge structures out of earth. One of them > was said to be over three miles long and the area served as > a trading post. Indians came from the west, the Gulf of Mexico > and the Midwest to trade and exchange goods. So you can see a > system of trade and commerce existed before Columbus arrived. > > In what is now called Pennsylvania and upper state New York > lived the Iroquois. The Iroquois lived in villages and had a > very sophisticated social system which was in many ways > superior to the European culture. The land was worked in > common and was owned by the whole nation. > > Women held a much higher place in the Iroquois culture versus > the European. For instance, family names were tied to the > women not the men. When a man married, he joined the family > of his wife. Women farmed the land while the men hunted for > fish and game. Men and women shared power and the European > model of male dominance was conspicuously absent in Iroquois > culture. Children were not punished harshly and taught > equality in possessions. This is contrasted with the severity > of the Puritans who believed in harsh punishment. > > What did the culture of the Europeans bring to the new world? > The Europeans were a society of both rich and poor, controlled > by priests, governors and male heads of families. The Iroquois > society had no laws, sheriffs, judges or juries, however > boundaries of behavior existed. If someone stole food or shamed > their family, they were banished until they had morally atoned > for their actions. > > So this was the land Columbus "found." There was no written > language but their history was passed on by an oral culture > that was far superior to the Europeans. They told their > history through songs and fables. They paid attention to > the development of an individual's personality. This kind of > community lasted among natives long after the Indians were > conquered. John Collier who lived with the tribes of the > American Southwest said of the spirit of the natives, "if > we could make it our own, there would be an eternally > inexhaustible earth and a forever lasting peace." > > Perhaps this is myth-making. But these ideas have been > repeated in European journals. What can we learn from this? > First, we can see that hierarchy leads to divisions in all > societies and this stratification of power leads to dominance > by a few to the cost of many. This is true of all European > systems whether it be capitalism or communism. Secondly, mere > laws and punishment do not lead to a peaceful society. Maybe > we should study other cultures in our schools and incorporate > some of their beliefs into our own violent society. >

Good morning, List!! I am not researching the Shoemaker line, but seem to remember the name coming up on this list. Found some info on Benjamin Shoemaker, son of Abraham and Amelia (Levering) Shoemaker born in Penna. in 1727. If this is of any interest - please email me off the list, and I will send it to you. Regards, Joyce in Millinocket, Maine

Please forgive me, but I need to brag just a tad... Pick up today's USAToday today (monday June 12) That is the ring bearer and flower girl from my wedding. The ring bearer is my first cousin, once removed. His ancestors, EPSTEIN, came from Grodno Russia and situated in Elmira, NY in the early 1900s (there- see? I made it relevant!). The flower girl is my goddaughter, who's mom went to Syracuse with me.

Hi Folks I am Ted Myers, I do civil war lookups and research, I have the complete rosters for the following regiments. If you know of someone or are looking for someone please let me know. If you should request my help please send full name, and as much info as possible. And I must point out that I cannot tell you who a person's mother or father was. And I do not charge for my services. I have the following rosters. 17th Pa cavalry 143rd Infantry 132nd Infantry (9 month regiment) 52nd Infantry 101st Infantry Thanks Ted

Hi Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Countie s Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I am not able to open any of my pages that are on Rootsweb either. It is not electrical as the mail list and my ability to upload still function, but the server is apparently not available to the public at this moment. Hopefully it will not last long. Just save your emails of what's new on site so you can get to it later. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

QUESTION - Hi Joyce - quick question - when you are updating the site - does that mean the site is unavailable to be accessed? I am trying to decide if that is the answer or my browser is inadequate. ANSWER - My updating the site does not affect users at all as I am only uploading one file at a time. I do all my work offline and just upload through ftp when I am finished. Frequently Rootsweb is bogged down by heavy user traffic and can't handle the load. Also if you are in a rural area, as I am, you probably have real Slooooow phone lines no matter how fast your modem is. You are probably just experiencing the usual state of web drag from inadequate infrastructure and too many users. Rootsweb, which is the server on which I rent my space for my site, is sometimes down for maintenance or - they actually have electrical failures in California, too, sometimes. There are many factors that can make them unavailable, but I am not among them. Also your ISP - in your case and in mine - AOL - also experiences drag when it is loaded with too many users. The whole dang blasted Internet slows down because usage has grown faster than resources. If I weren't out here in the country I would certainly get Road Runner, but that is not an option on my isolated hill. For any of you who do have access to Road Runner or some other high speed Internet access, that would certainly be the way to go. Actually I just bought another PC Computing magazine today with info on higher speed access. Unfortunately, no matter how many of these technological breakthroughs occur, none of them have gotten this far off the beaten track yet. You may be more fortunate. The only option here in an area as rural as mine is Direct TV, but at this time that is only a one way solution and not the whole thing and that, too, is not all I need as far as I understand it. In doing my site I try to keep files at or below 50 K which was the recommended size a few years ago when the site first started and resources and the standard home computer configuration were even slower than now. Small files load more quickly. As you can tell, I do not always succeed in that goal and I am not willing to reduce the number of photos as that is a great pleasure to me and to most, not all, of my guests. Eventually we will all have improved resources for using the Internet, and these pioneer days will be only a memory. Thanks for asking - a good question. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Hi All, Believe it or not, I managed to find yet another will lurking in my most ancient download file directories. This one was submitted June 15, 1998, yes, that's right TWO years ago. I even managed to track down who sent it through my stored email of that day, determined by the file date. That is what I have to do when people do not put their names in the text of their submitted documents. Anyway, now the 1813 will of John Short of Tioga County is on the Legal Documents page linked form Box 6A of the Online Research Library of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I am in the process of trying to find the Rutland Church Records that Liz sent in about a year ago because I now have a current version of Works loaded and we may be surprised at what else I will find. Except for the registry corruption problems which caused some lost files in Nov 98 that were not backed up, nothing much is lost, at least not permanently. Joyce M. Tice

Hi All, I thought I had cleaned out all the wills sitting in my download directories, but found one more this morning. The Adolph VanDuzor of Erin 1843 will is now available for the Legal Documents page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> You will find the Documents page linking form Box 6A of the site's Online Research Library. I am trying to clean out older submissions that have accumulated during times when I have been too busy to deal with them. Hopefully that is being accomplished. Joyce M. Tice

Hi All, Directions for subscribing and unsubscribing to the mail list link from the main page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tr i-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> and also from its Online Research Library. For those of you who can not or do not want to read directions, please contact me JoyceTice@aol.com personally to unsubscribe you. Please do not burden the mail list with it. You can also contact me at County3@aol.com for the same favor. Ordinarily it is an automatic process if directions are followed. However, in some cases, even following the directions correctly, some addresses can not be found due to some quirk in the mail list software or in your ISP's manipulation of your address. If that is the case, I'll be glad to manually unsubscribe you if you ask courteously. It may seem to most of you like an odd request, but a few of those who use the list need to be reminded of that. There are no personnel assigned to do this, as none of this is a commercial enterprise. It is only a gift from those of us who are willing to do it and I take the responsibility of helping those who have legitimate problems unsubscribing to my site's mail list. For those of you who are not using the site but are trying to use its mail list, you will be well advised to make yourself familiar with the site. This mail list is defined as a tool for guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> and is developed in that way. It is not a substitute for using the resources of the site. Please read the How to Use the Site page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> if you have not already done so. Good luck, Joyce M> Tice

Good morning all Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> It's a really nice day here in this part of the Northeast. I have just added the 1900 Directory page for Smithfield Township along with a 1908 Smithfield postcard. You can reach it form the Smithfield Township page or from the Bradford County Directory page in the Online Research Library. Joyce M. Tice

I don't recall the person who requested a perpetual calendar, but the following URL is a source... http://people.txucom.net/fpreston/calendar.htm Cindy Turner

Hi Lee, My people were FROST, from Columbia Crossroads, Roseville, Lawrence Corners, etc. Maybe we'll cross!! Pat Wilson Seneca Falls, NY Wilson@Lynnet.com At 10:39 PM 5/25/00 EDT, SnowLee@aol.com wrote: >Kelsey, > >Please add my name to the researchers of the following Wells - South Creek >-Columbia - Southport families: >KINNAN >WARNER >FROST >QUEAL >GORDON >THOMPSON >SNEDEKER > >I have names, dates & burials back to those born c. 1800. > >Lee Kinnan Fazzari > > >

Hi All, I have just uploaded the 1830 census for Catlin. I have not had time to check that all of the pages made it undamaged, so if any of you find one with "static" in it, let me know. You can reach the new census form the Catlin Township page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> Joyce M. Tice

Hi All Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I have just added three more wills to the Wills and Legal Documents page of the site. You can reach these form Box 6A of the site's Online Research Library. All new documents are added to the bottom of the page, so if you haven't looked at that page for a while, you can start form the bottom. I also have included three new pictures taken just this morning. My favorite is the dragonfly on the buttercup on the Amasa Wells will. I have my camera set for higher resolution than I did last summer so the insects are coming through even better than before. For those of you new to the site and its mail list, yes, my pages are sometimes very buggy. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> For most effective use of the site, please enter at the "Front Door" at <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> and please read the How to Use the Site page which explains the structure of the site and the resources it contains.

Would like to know about Hiway PA267 and Pa367 from Laceyville to Binghamton. Is it a road that a flatlander can handle. Would like to travel there to the Preston, Woodruff, McManus reunion on July 15. Thanks; Bruce Preston in Missouri

Hi All, While checking out the webpage for the new Mel Gibson Movie "The Patriot" at: http://www.spe.sony.com/movies/thepatriot/ I discovered that they have some really good Revolutionary War Links on their page! To get to them go to the above addy, then click enter site, then click on links. This section has the links: THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR History of, Primary Sources, People of, Locations, Battles & Events, Organizations, Museums, Reenactors, Link Indices Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.