Shelley - I think you missed the point - someone has been plagiarizing Joyce's material and taking credit for it at her expense! You must know how "big-hearted" everyone is on this list, site, etc. They give and give and never ask for expenses for helping others. S

Hi All friends and Guests, I have been in contact with Sean who is webmaster of <A HREF="http://pafamily.net/">PAfamily.net : The One Stop for Pennsylvania Genealogists!</A> I still don't know the gender of Sean as it is one of those androgynous names, but she/he is very cooperative in resolving the issues I brought up. First, it is not a commercial site in spite of the sponsors whose contributions are very minimal and cover only a fraction of the costs of doing the site, a major element of which is the space rental required monthly. Second, the erroneous source credits will be corrected as soon as possible. Third the issue of the frames, which while it makes the site look neat and cohesive, has caused a lot of confusion about links versus taking the materials. In fact, they are only links, but the frames make it look like it is part of another page and I believe that will be changed. I am well satisfied about Sean's objectives and methods and pleased with the cooperation. So, please don't send any more unkind notes. I appreciate the loyalty all of you show, but it is all fixed and no problems remain. In fact, the site, like Cyndi's Site and others of that nature, does increase traffic at <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">my site</A> and makes it easier for researchers to find materials. All of you who have participated in development of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> can be reassured that none of your efforts and contributions is being misused in any way. It is only all the more available to those who can benefit from it. I will be uploading a few more files shortly and will announce them when I am finished. Thanks, Joyce M. Tice

Hi Sean, Thanks for responding and I confess that you are correct in assessing my knee jerk reaction. I too, have invested thousands of dollars in my site even with the low cost space rental I get from Rootsweb, and I too get notes from people who spout off before assessing the situation. I am well aware of the difference between profit and cost recovery and never intended to imply that you were making money beyond some cost recovery, but in my own case I do not even have a speck of cost recovery - only cost. My awareness of your site came through contributors to mine who notified me of their distress to find their work encased in your frames, not realizing, because of the tightness of the interface, that they were links. The development of my site very much depends on the willingness of those others to help me collect and prepare materials for it and I have to be very concerned about any discomfort they may have. When you get the credits corrected I will be satisfied. I do apologize for reacting too quickly as I too know only too well what that feels like. Thanks again for responding, Joyce M.Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Did i miss the fact that we are all hunting for our ancestors? Does it matter where our scorce comes from? Joyce has a great site but do we not look on other sites as well? I belong to five other PA sites and in case you have all forgotten and I am sure Joyce would agree we are living in a free country. As such you or I are free to open our own sites at will. If our info is alike does not matter, getting along, helping each other no matter what should be our motto. If this site is not big hearted enough for eveyone then I shall stay with Joyce and leave PABradford. What say you Joyce am I right on wrong? Shelley (in Alaska)

Don't feel bad Roland. I sent him a rather nice note I thought and got a nasty response back. Must be the lawyer in him...he is an attorney Mike Wennin Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Elliott <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Fw: Plagerism > Sean hang around not up.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 17 20 PM > Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > Listen...I have no idea who you are...and frankly, at this point why > should > > I care? You're ability > > to communicate seems to be sorely limited to vulgarity...and you jump to > > conclusions without > > investigating the facts. > > > > Goodbye. > > > > Sean Robins > > > > At 05:17 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >If you block me ,we can't communicate,can we.R > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > > >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 55 PM > > >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > > > > > >> If I thought you had something to say...I'd listen. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sean > > >> > > >> > > >> At 04:36 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >> >Sean can't take it so he cuts one off.R > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > >> >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > > >> >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > >> >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 17 PM > > >> >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> Huh? > > >> >> > > >> >> I would suggest that you get a life...and a clue about what you are > > >> >> talkling about, before > > >> >> you display what a moron you are. (By the way...I am reporting you > to > > >> >your > > >> >> ISP for your > > >> >> vulgarity...) > > >> >> > > >> >> My web site contains LINKS and ONLY links to other web pages, and > > >provides > > >> >> other interested > > >> >> with PA genealogy easier accessibility to those web pages. My site > > >does > > >> >> NOT contain > > >> >> a SINGLE word of information from anyone else's web site. PERIOD. > > >> >> > > >> >> I do nothing more than what a search engine such as altavista does > when > > >it > > >> >> returns > > >> >> links to web pages in its search results. However, I do not does > what > > >> >some > > >> >> big monster > > >> >> search engines do...and that is, index every single word from every > > >page > > >> >in > > >> >> a web site, > > >> >> and add that to its database. I just provide links that say...here > is > > >> >> where you can find > > >> >> such and such. > > >> >> > > >> >> If you have difficulty understanding that...I can't explain it any > > >better > > >> >> to you. (Whoever > > >> >> the hell you are...) > > >> >> > > >> >> There is no legal requirement that I obtain anyone's permission to > > >provide > > >> >> links to anyone's > > >> >> web site. > > >> >> > > >> >> And I suggest that the next time you accuse someone of stealing, you > > >first > > >> >> make certain > > >> >> of your facts...and second, you check with your homeowner's > insurance > > >> >> carrier and your > > >> >> lawyer about whether you have liability coverage for libel and > slander. > > >> >> > > >> >> Oh, and...get a life! > > >> >> > > >> >> (BTW...you're now in my spam filter, so any further e-mail you might > > >send > > >> >> will go right > > >> >> in the garbage...along with your mouth...) > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> ********************************** > > >> >> * Sean Robins * > > >> >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > > >> >> * pafamily.net * > > >> >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > > >> >> ********************************** > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> ********************************** > > >> * Sean Robins * > > >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > > >> * pafamily.net * > > >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > > >> ********************************** > > >> > > > > > ********************************** > > * Sean Robins * > > * seanrobins@erols.com * > > * pafamily.net * > > * www.phillylawonline.com * > > ********************************** > > > >

I wish I knew that,he threatened to sue me,it would have been a grave error of judgement on his part.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <nash@randomc.com> To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net>; <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 20 17 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Fw: Plagerism > Don't feel bad Roland. I sent him a rather nice note I thought and got a > nasty response back. Must be the lawyer in him...he is an attorney > > Mike Wennin > Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland Elliott <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:34 PM > Subject: [PABRADFO] Fw: Plagerism > > > > Sean hang around not up.R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > > To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 17 20 PM > > Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > > > > Listen...I have no idea who you are...and frankly, at this point why > > should > > > I care? You're ability > > > to communicate seems to be sorely limited to vulgarity...and you jump to > > > conclusions without > > > investigating the facts. > > > > > > Goodbye. > > > > > > Sean Robins > > > > > > At 05:17 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > > >If you block me ,we can't communicate,can we.R > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > > > >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 55 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > > > > > > > > >> If I thought you had something to say...I'd listen. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sean > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> At 04:36 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> >Sean can't take it so he cuts one off.R > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > > > >> >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 17 PM > > > >> >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> Huh? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I would suggest that you get a life...and a clue about what you > are > > > >> >> talkling about, before > > > >> >> you display what a moron you are. (By the way...I am reporting > you > > to > > > >> >your > > > >> >> ISP for your > > > >> >> vulgarity...) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> My web site contains LINKS and ONLY links to other web pages, and > > > >provides > > > >> >> other interested > > > >> >> with PA genealogy easier accessibility to those web pages. My > site > > > >does > > > >> >> NOT contain > > > >> >> a SINGLE word of information from anyone else's web site. PERIOD. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I do nothing more than what a search engine such as altavista does > > when > > > >it > > > >> >> returns > > > >> >> links to web pages in its search results. However, I do not does > > what > > > >> >some > > > >> >> big monster > > > >> >> search engines do...and that is, index every single word from > every > > > >page > > > >> >in > > > >> >> a web site, > > > >> >> and add that to its database. I just provide links that > say...here > > is > > > >> >> where you can find > > > >> >> such and such. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> If you have difficulty understanding that...I can't explain it any > > > >better > > > >> >> to you. (Whoever > > > >> >> the hell you are...) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> There is no legal requirement that I obtain anyone's permission to > > > >provide > > > >> >> links to anyone's > > > >> >> web site. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> And I suggest that the next time you accuse someone of stealing, > you > > > >first > > > >> >> make certain > > > >> >> of your facts...and second, you check with your homeowner's > > insurance > > > >> >> carrier and your > > > >> >> lawyer about whether you have liability coverage for libel and > > slander. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Oh, and...get a life! > > > >> >> > > > >> >> (BTW...you're now in my spam filter, so any further e-mail you > might > > > >send > > > >> >> will go right > > > >> >> in the garbage...along with your mouth...) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> ********************************** > > > >> >> * Sean Robins * > > > >> >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > > > >> >> * pafamily.net * > > > >> >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > > > >> >> ********************************** > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> ********************************** > > > >> * Sean Robins * > > > >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > > > >> * pafamily.net * > > > >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > > > >> ********************************** > > > >> > > > > > > > ********************************** > > > * Sean Robins * > > > * seanrobins@erols.com * > > > * pafamily.net * > > > * www.phillylawonline.com * > > > ********************************** > > > > > > > > >

I have a question about a "Regimental Return Card" our ancestor joined the CW in May of 1862, in Mississippi. We have a copy of his "Regimental Return Card" dated Dec 1862. In the section "Alterations since last return among the enlisted men:" it states: Date Dec 4 186- Place: Richmond VA Remarks: Enlisted Does anyone know why if he was already Enlisted in May 1862, why it would say on this card Enlisted Dec 4 186-? in Richmond VA? Thanks for any help. Bobbie. -*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"* - Searching: Speir, Sperry, Proctor, Bailey in AL, MS, GA, KY, TX, CA. Palmer, Pearson, Gillpatrick, Case, Allen, Rice in PA, VT, MA, ME, KS, CA. Bobbie [Speir] Jarvinen <jarvinen@ismi.net>

Sean hang around not up.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 17 20 PM Subject: Re: Plagerism > Listen...I have no idea who you are...and frankly, at this point why should > I care? You're ability > to communicate seems to be sorely limited to vulgarity...and you jump to > conclusions without > investigating the facts. > > Goodbye. > > Sean Robins > > At 05:17 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >If you block me ,we can't communicate,can we.R > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 55 PM > >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > > >> If I thought you had something to say...I'd listen. > >> > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> At 04:36 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >> >Sean can't take it so he cuts one off.R > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > >> >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > >> >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 17 PM > >> >Subject: Re: Plagerism > >> > > >> > > >> >> Huh? > >> >> > >> >> I would suggest that you get a life...and a clue about what you are > >> >> talkling about, before > >> >> you display what a moron you are. (By the way...I am reporting you to > >> >your > >> >> ISP for your > >> >> vulgarity...) > >> >> > >> >> My web site contains LINKS and ONLY links to other web pages, and > >provides > >> >> other interested > >> >> with PA genealogy easier accessibility to those web pages. My site > >does > >> >> NOT contain > >> >> a SINGLE word of information from anyone else's web site. PERIOD. > >> >> > >> >> I do nothing more than what a search engine such as altavista does when > >it > >> >> returns > >> >> links to web pages in its search results. However, I do not does what > >> >some > >> >> big monster > >> >> search engines do...and that is, index every single word from every > >page > >> >in > >> >> a web site, > >> >> and add that to its database. I just provide links that say...here is > >> >> where you can find > >> >> such and such. > >> >> > >> >> If you have difficulty understanding that...I can't explain it any > >better > >> >> to you. (Whoever > >> >> the hell you are...) > >> >> > >> >> There is no legal requirement that I obtain anyone's permission to > >provide > >> >> links to anyone's > >> >> web site. > >> >> > >> >> And I suggest that the next time you accuse someone of stealing, you > >first > >> >> make certain > >> >> of your facts...and second, you check with your homeowner's insurance > >> >> carrier and your > >> >> lawyer about whether you have liability coverage for libel and slander. > >> >> > >> >> Oh, and...get a life! > >> >> > >> >> (BTW...you're now in my spam filter, so any further e-mail you might > >send > >> >> will go right > >> >> in the garbage...along with your mouth...) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> ********************************** > >> >> * Sean Robins * > >> >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > >> >> * pafamily.net * > >> >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > >> >> ********************************** > >> >> > >> > > >> ********************************** > >> * Sean Robins * > >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > >> * pafamily.net * > >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > >> ********************************** > >> > > > ********************************** > * Sean Robins * > * seanrobins@erols.com * > * pafamily.net * > * www.phillylawonline.com * > ********************************** >

He writes then cuts me off.I guess I will have to go out and leave the Home and find Mr. Home O.Policy it seems he caters to this man!R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 55 PM Subject: Re: Plagerism > If I thought you had something to say...I'd listen. > > > Sean > > > At 04:36 PM 6/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Sean can't take it so he cuts one off.R > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> > >To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 17 PM > >Subject: Re: Plagerism > > > > > >> Huh? > >> > >> I would suggest that you get a life...and a clue about what you are > >> talkling about, before > >> you display what a moron you are. (By the way...I am reporting you to > >your > >> ISP for your > >> vulgarity...) > >> > >> My web site contains LINKS and ONLY links to other web pages, and provides > >> other interested > >> with PA genealogy easier accessibility to those web pages. My site does > >> NOT contain > >> a SINGLE word of information from anyone else's web site. PERIOD. > >> > >> I do nothing more than what a search engine such as altavista does when it > >> returns > >> links to web pages in its search results. However, I do not does what > >some > >> big monster > >> search engines do...and that is, index every single word from every page > >in > >> a web site, > >> and add that to its database. I just provide links that say...here is > >> where you can find > >> such and such. > >> > >> If you have difficulty understanding that...I can't explain it any better > >> to you. (Whoever > >> the hell you are...) > >> > >> There is no legal requirement that I obtain anyone's permission to provide > >> links to anyone's > >> web site. > >> > >> And I suggest that the next time you accuse someone of stealing, you first > >> make certain > >> of your facts...and second, you check with your homeowner's insurance > >> carrier and your > >> lawyer about whether you have liability coverage for libel and slander. > >> > >> Oh, and...get a life! > >> > >> (BTW...you're now in my spam filter, so any further e-mail you might send > >> will go right > >> in the garbage...along with your mouth...) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> ********************************** > >> * Sean Robins * > >> * seanrobins@erols.com * > >> * pafamily.net * > >> * www.phillylawonline.com * > >> ********************************** > >> > > > ********************************** > * Sean Robins * > * seanrobins@erols.com * > * pafamily.net * > * www.phillylawonline.com * > ********************************** >

Sean can't take it so he cuts one off.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Robins" <seanrobins@erols.com> To: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 16 17 PM Subject: Re: Plagerism > Huh? > > I would suggest that you get a life...and a clue about what you are > talkling about, before > you display what a moron you are. (By the way...I am reporting you to your > ISP for your > vulgarity...) > > My web site contains LINKS and ONLY links to other web pages, and provides > other interested > with PA genealogy easier accessibility to those web pages. My site does > NOT contain > a SINGLE word of information from anyone else's web site. PERIOD. > > I do nothing more than what a search engine such as altavista does when it > returns > links to web pages in its search results. However, I do not does what some > big monster > search engines do...and that is, index every single word from every page in > a web site, > and add that to its database. I just provide links that say...here is > where you can find > such and such. > > If you have difficulty understanding that...I can't explain it any better > to you. (Whoever > the hell you are...) > > There is no legal requirement that I obtain anyone's permission to provide > links to anyone's > web site. > > And I suggest that the next time you accuse someone of stealing, you first > make certain > of your facts...and second, you check with your homeowner's insurance > carrier and your > lawyer about whether you have liability coverage for libel and slander. > > Oh, and...get a life! > > (BTW...you're now in my spam filter, so any further e-mail you might send > will go right > in the garbage...along with your mouth...) > > > > > > ********************************** > * Sean Robins * > * seanrobins@erols.com * > * pafamily.net * > * www.phillylawonline.com * > ********************************** >

Hi All Friends and Guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I have just uploaded a handful of small cemeteries to the Standing Stone and Wysox pages. These include the Gordon Family Burials, Landis Family Burials, Mercur Hill Cemetery and a reformatting of Pond Hill. You can access these from the appropriate township pages of the site I included another dragonfly photo and a picture of some baby birds that Bill Klauk sent in. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Hi All Friends and guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I am very pleased to let you know that Tioga County Historical Society now has a journal of top rate quality. This month's journal, Vol. 1, No. 1, arrived yesterday replacing the former little newsletter. This is a journal full of top rate articles, any one of which I would have been proud to publish on my site had it been submitted here first. Terrific work. The new journal is called Tioga County Historical Review and it is edited by Larry Biddison. Congratulations to Larry and to TCHS for publishing this fine journal that puts them in the same ranks as the Chemung County Historical Society and the Bradford County Historical Society, both of which have a long history of excellent publications. This is one more reason to join the TCHS. Directions for doing so can be reached from the Online Research Library of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I can't recommend often enough that you join the organization to help support them and that goes for our other counties as well. It is money well spent. Joyce M. Tice

When I posted the url to the new PA site, now under so much scrutiny, I had not even looked at the site and certainly I would never compare anywhere else to Joyce's site. I have been doing genealogy on the internet for more than ten years and I have never found a place-specific site to compare. In her attitude, talents and sacrifice of time and money she is in a league of her own. I agree about Cyndi's list as being the best of its type as well. I was just trying to share something that had been sent to me via a newsletter. I know that Joyce does not like praise etc. via "the list" but I wanted to straighten out the mess I started. :) Charmaine Riley Holley arkivemom@aol.com http://rileyholley.rootsweb.com rootsweb donor "May you ask the right question of the right person at the right time. "

Hi Friends and guests of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> I have found a link from the PAFamily.Net page that does explain that it is a site of borrowed sources and so on as I would wish. You can reach it from <A HREF="http://pafamily.net/">PAFamilyNet Instructions.</A> However, Sean does need to make that page link much more obvious and she/he needs to correct any errors given as the main site page on the sources listed. If there are errors on the source of my pages, there may be many other sites not given credit for their own work. I have not heard from her/him yet, but there has not been much time since I first wrote. I hope all will be set right shortly. For those of you new to all of this, the longest standing and reputedly best site of genealogy links is Cyndi's Site. You can find a link to it from my Other Sites of Interest in the Online Research Library of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> As mentioned earlier, there is nothing wrong with setting up a site that is nothing but links to other sites, but they should be presented in a way that makes it clear that is what they are. Thanks, Joyce M. Tice

Hi Sean, I have determined your name since I last wrote you. I am finding many links to pages on my site on yours. All of them give credit to Rootsweb as the source. It is CRITICAL that this error be corrected. All use of my materials, whether authorized or not, MUST give <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> as the source. This is essential and required. I recommend that you set a time goal by which time you can correct all of your erroneous source references to my site and let me know what that target date is. If you have given collective groups credit for other private sites, you may want to correct that error, also. We are generous to a fault to the public but not willing to let others get credit for our time, effort and accomplishments. Many of the volunteer contributors to my site are distressed that their gifts to the public are being presented as part of a site that has commercial funding supporting it. They have given these as a gift to the public through the channel of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Count ies Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> They know that the cost of presenting this site is mine and that I do not have any commercial funding to do it. Many of the people who participate in developing this site incur costs of their own in addition to the time they give freely. Presenting my pages in your frames makes it appear that they are part of your site and not my own work and that of my volunteer helpers. You need to be much clearer that yours is a site of cannibalization or "borrowed" links and not of original work. You also need to make it clear that none of the people whose pages you are presenting in your frames have authorized you to do so, or receive any of the sponsorship money which supports your site. I am certain that all of those who participate in developing my site want their work to be seen and used, but not under your commercial banner. Many other sites provide links to mine and I appreciate that. What is different in yours is that all of the pages you have borrowed are framed to appear as part of your own site and that you ask for financial support to help you do that. I rent space from Rootsweb at a far lower price than I could get from any other provider. Some of my guests give money to Rootsweb that helps keeps my rental costs down to a point where I can afford it. If you are going to be a commercially sponsored site with revenues to cover your costs which many of the rest of us do not have, you might consider how you can share that with the people who are shelling out their own money and time to present a site. If you are going to sell, you have to buy. Arbitrage in its pure form is a myth and short lived. A more honest approach would be to your credit. Joyce M. Tice, owner, developer, founder of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Will one of you do it in a more abstruse manner than I did?R ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mjoallen@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 21 01 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Re: Pirate links > I recently attended a seminar on Copyright Law moderated by three copyright > lawyers and this was the hottest topic of the day. They said that copyright > law was unclear right now regarding links on the internet. Basically, the > law hasn't had time to catch up to technology yet. However, the lawyers > advised those attending that, in this early stage, one should apply the same > copyright rules one would apply to appending someone else's material to your > own book. That any work created by any author (published or unpublished) > that is used by another without permission (and I would imagine especially > without credit) is copyright infringement and therefore punishible as such. I > think someone should let the webmaster of the site in question know that this > is the case and I would imagine an apology would be forthcoming. > > MJ Allen > > County3@aol.com writes: > > > This site appears to be getting a "Free Ride" using materials from other > > sites, for example, mine, and crediting Rootsweb for all the work I have > > done > > and many of you have helped me with. It also has commercial sponsors and > if > > I > > am correct, someone is making money from all the expense I have incurred > and > > > > all the work I and many of you have done for free, (at our own expense). > I > > need to look this over more carefully, but my first impression is that it > is > > > > running off with the free goods and making it look like they are doing > > something. I am finding my own pages linked from theirs with Rootsweb > given > > as the source (I Pay money to Rootsweb to rent space for my site) and not > > crediting <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > > Genealogy Site</A> > >

Hi, I am trying to find the parents of Marshall (Marschal) Hatch who is listed in the 1860 census for Tioga County. I "suspect" that his father may be a Samuel Hatch that is supposed to be living in Tioga Co. in 1840 and 1850. I have an 1840 census index that I copied at my local library that has Samuel listed as being on page #210 in Tioga Co. in the twp of Chatham. But the 1840 census that is online does not list him. Does anyone have access to this 1840 census for Chatham Twp that could check and see if he is there and what, if any, family he has living with him ? I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Larry Combs mechanic@penn.com

Ancestry got my letter.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 19 41 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] New site? > I have said some things to the site owner and I will not take them back and > I have gone further to show the world he is a sorry sack of sour owl pucky.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <County3@aol.com> > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 18 46 PM > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] New site? > > > > This site appears to be getting a "Free Ride" using materials from other > > sites, for example, mine, and crediting Rootsweb for all the work I have > done > > and many of you have helped me with. It also has commercial sponsors and > if I > > am correct, someone is making money from all the expense I have incurred > and > > all the work I and many of you have done for free, (at our own expense). > I > > need to look this over more carefully, but my first impression is that it > is > > running off with the free goods and making it look like they are doing > > something. I am finding my own pages linked from theirs with Rootsweb > given > > as the source (I Pay money to Rootsweb to rent space for my site) and not > > crediting <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > > Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> which is the true source and which > > deserves the recognition they are giving to Rootsweb. This is too amazing. > > As I said, I do need to examine this more carefully but it looks like > massive > > piracy from what I have seen so far. > > > > Joyce M. Tice <A > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > > Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > > > > > << Subj: [PABRADFO] New site? > > Date: 06/15/2000 2:38:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: Arkivemom@aol.com > > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Has anyone seen this? > > http://pafamily.net > > It was the latest Eveton newsletter. It is supposed to be "one stop > > shoppting" for PA genealogy. > > >> > > > > > >

I have said some things to the site owner and I will not take them back and I have gone further to show the world he is a sorry sack of sour owl pucky.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <County3@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 18 46 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] New site? > This site appears to be getting a "Free Ride" using materials from other > sites, for example, mine, and crediting Rootsweb for all the work I have done > and many of you have helped me with. It also has commercial sponsors and if I > am correct, someone is making money from all the expense I have incurred and > all the work I and many of you have done for free, (at our own expense). I > need to look this over more carefully, but my first impression is that it is > running off with the free goods and making it look like they are doing > something. I am finding my own pages linked from theirs with Rootsweb given > as the source (I Pay money to Rootsweb to rent space for my site) and not > crediting <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> which is the true source and which > deserves the recognition they are giving to Rootsweb. This is too amazing. > As I said, I do need to examine this more carefully but it looks like massive > piracy from what I have seen so far. > > Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > > << Subj: [PABRADFO] New site? > Date: 06/15/2000 2:38:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: Arkivemom@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Has anyone seen this? > http://pafamily.net > It was the latest Eveton newsletter. It is supposed to be "one stop > shoppting" for PA genealogy. > >> > >

I recently attended a seminar on Copyright Law moderated by three copyright lawyers and this was the hottest topic of the day. They said that copyright law was unclear right now regarding links on the internet. Basically, the law hasn't had time to catch up to technology yet. However, the lawyers advised those attending that, in this early stage, one should apply the same copyright rules one would apply to appending someone else's material to your own book. That any work created by any author (published or unpublished) that is used by another without permission (and I would imagine especially without credit) is copyright infringement and therefore punishible as such. I think someone should let the webmaster of the site in question know that this is the case and I would imagine an apology would be forthcoming. MJ Allen County3@aol.com writes: > This site appears to be getting a "Free Ride" using materials from other > sites, for example, mine, and crediting Rootsweb for all the work I have > done > and many of you have helped me with. It also has commercial sponsors and if > I > am correct, someone is making money from all the expense I have incurred and > > all the work I and many of you have done for free, (at our own expense). I > need to look this over more carefully, but my first impression is that it is > > running off with the free goods and making it look like they are doing > something. I am finding my own pages linked from theirs with Rootsweb given > as the source (I Pay money to Rootsweb to rent space for my site) and not > crediting <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County > Genealogy Site</A>