Greetings! I have been off the list for a couple of months and have missed all the notes that pass among us. It is good to be back. I have a request. Would it be possible for someone in the Elmira area to send me a copy of the obituary of Shirley Hayes Huston which appeared in the Sat., July 1, 2000 issue of the Elmira Star Gazette. If so please contact me by email. Thank you! Mimi Miriam F. Hayes iehmfh9@juno.com

Thank you all for the quick response! I went under USGen for Chenango but could not find it under any townships. I assume it is not?? Thank you again, Donna

Hello list, could someone please tell me where Tyner is located? I am looking for Sarah Caskey b. 12 Oct 1778 NJ, d. 1 Jul 1843, Tyner, NY m. William Meeker, b. 10 Dec 1777, Newark, Essex Co., NJ, d. Dec 1834 1 child known of; Olive Permelia Meeker b. 24 Sep 1811 NY, d. 17 Jun 1852 IA Thank you, Donna Caskey Jones

It might be a long shot but you could look for a Jean (Jane, Janet, etc.) _______ born Scotland in some of the other coal mining towns in the region in the 1880 census. You could check Barclay but also check Morris Run, Fallbrook, and Blossburg in Tioga County. It shouldn't take you long to go through Fallbrook and Morris Run but Blossburg will be quite large. Also, if her other two children were living with her the names should show up quite easily. Since the children were born before 1870 they would not show up on the 1880 soundex so you would have to do an actual search of those areas. Most often immigrants from the British Isles who were in the coal mining towns stayed in that profession and she perhaps married another coal miner. If her mother in law and son were in Liberty in 1880 there is a chance she was still in the area, unless she also died by 1880. Some of my Harvey ancestors who resided at Barclay also went to Utah and were involved in mining there (not coal) so perhaps there was some type of exodus to that area. You could check with the Bradford County Historical Society. Many of the newspapers have had birth, marriage, and death information extracted and those are on index cards. Her marriage, if it made it into the newspapers, would have been in a Towanda or Canton newspaper. There would be no real estate transfers in Barclay with her name since the coal company owned most of the real estate. I haven't looked on my atlas to see where Frugality, Pennsylvania is. Was it a coal town? You might want to also look for her there. J. Kelsey Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wylie" <wylie@iamnow.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: [PABRADFO] Help > I am looking for a possible marriage of Jean Russell Wylie after > 1870 in Pennsylvania. Her original name was Jean Russell. She > was married to John Wylie in Scotland. They came to Barclay in > March of 1868 and from all that I can gather, he was killed in > the Barclay Mine in May of 1868. She is recorded on the 1870 > census alone with her 3 children, Jane, David and John. There > her name is Jennie and Wylie is spelled Wyly. I have seen her > referred to as Jane and Janet as well and Wylie has been spelled > as many ways as you can think to spell it. By 1880, she isn't > found in Pennsylvania as Jean Wylie (any spelling). I did find > her son, David, listed with her dead husband's mother in Liberty, > Pa. But, now sign of her or the other two children. I have a > picture of the daughter at approx. 16 years of age that was > taken in Park City, Utah. Later on David and his wife were in > Wellington, British Columbia, Canada and stayed there for a > year. Then they came back to Frugality, Pa. If any one has any > knowledge of who Jean Wylie may have become, I would love to hear > from you. Thank you, Pam Wylie > >

The death certificate will not give a marriage date. Depending on the informant at death and what information was given the death certificate could include name of parents, date and place of birth, cause of death, duration of illness, place of burial, and other information relating to death. If you know his date of death you might want to secure his obituary and depending on the newspaper you could have a very informative obituary that might give his place and date of marriage. J. Kelsey Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karlena" <karlena@iprimus.com.au> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: [PABRADFO] Info shown on Death Certificates. > Hi All. > I am hoping someone can give me a guide to what information is shown on a > death certificate from 1954. My uncle died in Erie PA in 1954 and I am > wondering if his death certificate would show when he married. I know his > wife's name but not the date of marriage. > I found the details of how to apply for a certificate but could not find the > details of what is shown on the certificate. As I am from Australia I do not > know of what is shown. I know his date and place of death. SO if that is all > that is shown it will not add to my information. > Many thanks in advance for any help you can give me. > Bye Karlena > >From Tasmania, Australia > karlena@iprimus.com.au > ICQ 21158816 > Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > > > >

I am looking for a possible marriage of Jean Russell Wylie after 1870 in Pennsylvania. Her original name was Jean Russell. She was married to John Wylie in Scotland. They came to Barclay in March of 1868 and from all that I can gather, he was killed in the Barclay Mine in May of 1868. She is recorded on the 1870 census alone with her 3 children, Jane, David and John. There her name is Jennie and Wylie is spelled Wyly. I have seen her referred to as Jane and Janet as well and Wylie has been spelled as many ways as you can think to spell it. By 1880, she isn't found in Pennsylvania as Jean Wylie (any spelling). I did find her son, David, listed with her dead husband's mother in Liberty, Pa. But, now sign of her or the other two children. I have a picture of the daughter at approx. 16 years of age that was taken in Park City, Utah. Later on David and his wife were in Wellington, British Columbia, Canada and stayed there for a year. Then they came back to Frugality, Pa. If any one has any knowledge of who Jean Wylie may have become, I would love to hear from you. Thank you, Pam Wylie

Hi All. I am hoping someone can give me a guide to what information is shown on a death certificate from 1954. My uncle died in Erie PA in 1954 and I am wondering if his death certificate would show when he married. I know his wife's name but not the date of marriage. I found the details of how to apply for a certificate but could not find the details of what is shown on the certificate. As I am from Australia I do not know of what is shown. I know his date and place of death. SO if that is all that is shown it will not add to my information. Many thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Bye Karlena >From Tasmania, Australia karlena@iprimus.com.au ICQ 21158816 Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://raogk.rootsweb.com

Hi again. I meant to mention that I do list the various types of flagholder/commemopratives I have found even if I have not put them all online yesterday. The diversity of these just continues to amaze me and I added some new ones to the list yesterday that I'll eventually be getting online. Joyce M. Tice

Hi All, The second mystery marker has been conclusively identified as the Ladies Auxiliary Patriarch Militant, a women's order of the I.O.O.F. Personally I would thing that Matriarch Militant would be a more appropriate name for the women's branch of Patriarch Militant, but I guess they think differently than I. Anyway, the details are on the site on the L.A.P.M. page. I also uploaded yesterday a page of markers of the Woman's Relief Corps. They really look very pretty when you get several versions side by side. You can reach these from the Flagholder section of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> We are all learning a lot from this and I hope it makes all of us more conscious of what we are seeing,

Pat Kennedy here: In my early genealogy research......I read that if you have family in private owned land cemetery.....it is also your cemetery and you have the right to enter on to the land.....but belive one was to ask or tell that you were planning to vist the cemetery. PABRADFO-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > PABRADFO-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 281 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [PABRADFO] Cemeteries ["david clark" <dclark8@carolina.rr] > #2 [PABRADFO] Sheehan Dean & Company- [Kuzzinken@aol.com] > #3 [PABRADFO] New York marriage [John Barr <jdbarr@ptdprolog.net>] > #4 Re: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries (and the [Dick McCracken <rjm001@epix.net>] > #5 [PABRADFO] Keech Hill [Alice <tupper@epix.net>] > #6 Re: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries (and the [Cludy52@aol.com] > #7 [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wed [JoyceTice@aol.com] > #8 [PABRADFO] Vie N. Nash ["Cole LaFrance" <Cole@PharmRecruit] > #9 [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wed [JoyceTice@aol.com] > #10 Re: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - ["Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@th] > #11 [PABRADFO] Cemeteries and the Law [KRENSHAWA@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from PABRADFO-D, send a message to > > PABRADFO-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:26:23 -0400 > From: "david clark" <dclark8@carolina.rr.com> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello listers, > > I just returned from my first trip to Tioga Co., where I attended a CLARK > family reunion. > One of the activities was a cemetery tour in Mansfield, where we walked > through both Prospect & Oakwood. We also went to the site (Joyce has a page > called 'CLARK BURIALS at POWERS CORNERS) where my earliest ancestor in Tioga > was buried. > I learned that the property where this site is located, has recently been > purchased, and the new owners were not aware of a cemetery being located on > their land. > They permitted a group of us access to the site, and we found it in > deplorable condition - obviously untended for many years. > The owners do not want the site repaired, in fact they refused entry to a > boy scout who wanted to take this on as an Eagle Scout project, some time > ago. They feel it will impinge on their privacy. > > My questions are these: > After all of the discussions on this list concerning access to cemeteries, > has anyone actually determined the Pennsylvania state laws which govern > access to burial sites that are on private land? > Can a cemetery (such as this one) be moved to a more easily accessible > location? > There are DAR markers on two of the graves. Does the DAR bear any > responsibility for maintaining the site? > > Any comments or suggestions will be gratefully received. > > BTW - Tioga County was lovely! > > Thanks...... Dave Clark Belmont NC > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Sheehan Dean & Company--Elmira > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:57:03 EDT > From: Kuzzinken@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Following is an off the wall, "wild" approach to piecing together > observations in my quest to obtain information on the lives of my Irish > cousins. But I have found that some of these far flung ideas from time to > time bear fruit! Thus here goes. > > Have any of you old timers any knowledge of the "Organizational Chart" of > Sheehan Dean and Company through the years, either from personal knowlege or > recollection or reading newspapers? I have, on several occasions, seen > various firms run advertisements geared to that personal touch listing > employees, even running pictures of department heads or managers, especially > at Christmas time or for civic events in which a company was congratulating > the community or supporting a special event or cause. > > The reason I inquire is that in my research I note that there were several > cousins employed at Sheehan Dean over the years including Sheehans(of > course), O'Herrons, Sullivans, Macks and McNamaras. > > Hopefully, one of you may have been employed there yourself or had a relative > employed there. > > Any input or leads to this request will be most appreciated. > > Thanks for listening. An optomist. > > Ken Sullivan > Canyon Lake, Ca > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] New York marriage > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:36:45 -0400 > From: John Barr <jdbarr@ptdprolog.net> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > we were married in NY. My wife lived in Penna. Got license in Yates > Co., NY and married in Benton Center NY - John Barr Mansfield Penna > > -- > Keith Barr’s home page- http://www.rit.edu/~ksbfaa/index.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries (and the law) > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:34:28 -0400 > From: Dick McCracken <rjm001@epix.net> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Stand by David, I'm going to send you items of PA statute governing > cemeteries. There are provisions in PA law to deal with your questions. > > Stand by Listers. Joyce told us that, as time permits, she would like > to add a feature to her site from both NYS and PA regarding existing > legislation covering cemeteries. I've furnished material from PA to > her. > > Presumptuously, I will state: Joyce asked for somebody from NYS who > either was familiar with existing legislation or who would do the > necessary thorough research to assist. I don't know whether or not she > got a response to that request. If not, please, won't somebody do the > research? I've found that our state legislators and their office staffs > are very helpful in assisting with such research! I suspect that NYS is > the same. > -- > Plan Your Work... Work Your Plan... > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Keech Hill > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:05:50 -0400 > From: Alice <tupper@epix.net> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > I've noticed that several of my KEECH relatives were born on Keech Hill, > does anyone know where that is, and is there a cemetery near? > > Thanks, > Alice > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries (and the law) > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:39:14 EDT > From: Cludy52@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > I am interested in the statutes as well. I have a problem with the French > Hill Cemetery in Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA as well as over in the John Lyman > Cemetery in Roulette, Potter County PA. > > Appreciate all the help I can get. > > Thanks > > Marion Scherer > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wednesday 5:43 PM > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:45:48 EDT > From: JoyceTice@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi All, > > Yes, it is true that page 215 of the 1830 Southport Census is missing. I > really did reach overload and lose contact with any semblance of my brain > while I was working on that and too many other things at the same time, so it > is missing until I sort it out again. Thanks to all of you who have notified > me. At least I know you are using the pages. And I'll get it fixed. > > Thanks also for the response on the Cemetery Flagholder project I am > developing. I am so pleased to see that so many of you are sharing my > interest in that and several have even dug in and tried to answer some of the > many questions arising from my poking around in cemeteries. It seems that > every question we answer only leads to more questions but that is the fun of > it. > > Today was a PERFECT weather day here in central NYS. Blue sky, cool, low > humidity, bright sun and puffy clouds. It doesn't get better than this. > > Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti > es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Vie N. Nash > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:00:43 -0700 > From: "Cole LaFrance" <Cole@PharmRecruiters.com> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Please respond if you have connection. > > Film: 1395712 Batch: 8403907 Sheet: 62,63,64,73 from SLC submitted by Vie > N. Nash.... > Rachel HUGHES...3cu 2rem > > Regards from Fountain Hills AZ, > > Pat LaFrance > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wednesday 6:09 > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:13:15 EDT > From: JoyceTice@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi again, I have just changed the Mystery Flagholder of the day on the > Flagholder page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-C > ounties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > The one I had up yesterday (PALM or PLMA) is probably a higher order of IOOF > although I'd still like more details if anyone can provide them for us. > > I am guessing that this one MAY MEAN Daughters of America, but it is only a > guess. Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Good luck, Joyce M> Tice > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wednesday 6:09 > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:04:37 -0700 > From: "Roland Elliott" <RolandElliott@thegrid.net> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > Those letters are not IOOF or Rebecca.R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JoyceTice@aol.com> > To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 15 13 PM > Subject: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wednesday 6:09 > > Hi again, I have just changed the Mystery Flagholder of the day on the > Flagholder page of <A > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-C > ounties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> > > The one I had up yesterday (PALM or PLMA) is probably a higher order of IOOF > although I'd still like more details if anyone can provide them for us. > > I am guessing that this one MAY MEAN Daughters of America, but it is only a > guess. Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Good luck, Joyce M> Tice > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PABRADFO] Cemeteries and the Law in NYS > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:48:24 EDT > From: KRENSHAWA@aol.com > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > I am the secretary for a cemetery association in New York. The Laws here > vary depending on whether you are referring to a municipal or town cemetery, > private cemetery, an incorporated cemetery or a cemetery association. I do > however have a copy of the Not-for-profit Corporation Laws which govern > incorporated cemeteries as ours is. I also have information that we receive > from the Divison of Cemeteries (which is also on the internet under NYS > Department of State). I would have to know specific questions to know > whether I am able to answer them or not. Any others I could forward onto the > Buffalo Office of the Division of Cemeteries which governs our area. Marlene > Andes

Those letters are not IOOF or Rebecca.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <JoyceTice@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 15 13 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] Tri-County Update - Wednesday 6:09 Hi again, I have just changed the Mystery Flagholder of the day on the Flagholder page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-C ounties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> The one I had up yesterday (PALM or PLMA) is probably a higher order of IOOF although I'd still like more details if anyone can provide them for us. I am guessing that this one MAY MEAN Daughters of America, but it is only a guess. Thanks for any help you can provide. Good luck, Joyce M> Tice

Please respond if you have connection. Film: 1395712 Batch: 8403907 Sheet: 62,63,64,73 from SLC submitted by Vie N. Nash.... Rachel HUGHES...3cu 2rem Regards from Fountain Hills AZ, Pat LaFrance

I've noticed that several of my KEECH relatives were born on Keech Hill, does anyone know where that is, and is there a cemetery near? Thanks, Alice

we were married in NY. My wife lived in Penna. Got license in Yates Co., NY and married in Benton Center NY - John Barr Mansfield Penna -- Keith Barr’s home page- http://www.rit.edu/~ksbfaa/index.html

Stand by David, I'm going to send you items of PA statute governing cemeteries. There are provisions in PA law to deal with your questions. Stand by Listers. Joyce told us that, as time permits, she would like to add a feature to her site from both NYS and PA regarding existing legislation covering cemeteries. I've furnished material from PA to her. Presumptuously, I will state: Joyce asked for somebody from NYS who either was familiar with existing legislation or who would do the necessary thorough research to assist. I don't know whether or not she got a response to that request. If not, please, won't somebody do the research? I've found that our state legislators and their office staffs are very helpful in assisting with such research! I suspect that NYS is the same. -- Plan Your Work... Work Your Plan...

I am the secretary for a cemetery association in New York. The Laws here vary depending on whether you are referring to a municipal or town cemetery, private cemetery, an incorporated cemetery or a cemetery association. I do however have a copy of the Not-for-profit Corporation Laws which govern incorporated cemeteries as ours is. I also have information that we receive from the Divison of Cemeteries (which is also on the internet under NYS Department of State). I would have to know specific questions to know whether I am able to answer them or not. Any others I could forward onto the Buffalo Office of the Division of Cemeteries which governs our area. Marlene Andes

Hi again, I have just changed the Mystery Flagholder of the day on the Flagholder page of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-C ounties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> The one I had up yesterday (PALM or PLMA) is probably a higher order of IOOF although I'd still like more details if anyone can provide them for us. I am guessing that this one MAY MEAN Daughters of America, but it is only a guess. Thanks for any help you can provide. Good luck, Joyce M> Tice

Hi All, Yes, it is true that page 215 of the 1830 Southport Census is missing. I really did reach overload and lose contact with any semblance of my brain while I was working on that and too many other things at the same time, so it is missing until I sort it out again. Thanks to all of you who have notified me. At least I know you are using the pages. And I'll get it fixed. Thanks also for the response on the Cemetery Flagholder project I am developing. I am so pleased to see that so many of you are sharing my interest in that and several have even dug in and tried to answer some of the many questions arising from my poking around in cemeteries. It seems that every question we answer only leads to more questions but that is the fun of it. Today was a PERFECT weather day here in central NYS. Blue sky, cool, low humidity, bright sun and puffy clouds. It doesn't get better than this. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

I am interested in the statutes as well. I have a problem with the French Hill Cemetery in Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA as well as over in the John Lyman Cemetery in Roulette, Potter County PA. Appreciate all the help I can get. Thanks Marion Scherer

Hello listers, I just returned from my first trip to Tioga Co., where I attended a CLARK family reunion. One of the activities was a cemetery tour in Mansfield, where we walked through both Prospect & Oakwood. We also went to the site (Joyce has a page called 'CLARK BURIALS at POWERS CORNERS) where my earliest ancestor in Tioga was buried. I learned that the property where this site is located, has recently been purchased, and the new owners were not aware of a cemetery being located on their land. They permitted a group of us access to the site, and we found it in deplorable condition - obviously untended for many years. The owners do not want the site repaired, in fact they refused entry to a boy scout who wanted to take this on as an Eagle Scout project, some time ago. They feel it will impinge on their privacy. My questions are these: After all of the discussions on this list concerning access to cemeteries, has anyone actually determined the Pennsylvania state laws which govern access to burial sites that are on private land? Can a cemetery (such as this one) be moved to a more easily accessible location? There are DAR markers on two of the graves. Does the DAR bear any responsibility for maintaining the site? Any comments or suggestions will be gratefully received. BTW - Tioga County was lovely! Thanks...... Dave Clark Belmont NC