HI again. I have re-uploaded the Order of Red Men and the Degree of Pocohontas pages to the Flagholder site with histories added. Surprise! But Degree of Pocohontas was founded in Elmira NY right here in our Tri-Counties. Check it out at <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Coun ties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> Joyce M. Tice

Hi again. The PS is that I have not answered my email since about Monday or so, so give me some time to catch up and if you have written this week I;'ll be answering you shortly. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Hi All, I was out of town part of the week on business and managed to stop by darned near every cemetery I passed coming and going so collected some more flagholder photos. It took me SIX hours to get home form Canton NY on Wednesday when it usually takes three hours. I did find a non-rusty version of one rusty marker I had on the site as a Mystery. The legible version reads S & D of L. which most of us assume is Sons and Daughters of Liberty. If anyone has anything conclusive let me know. Actually I was going to thank all of you for responding to my pleas for help on that one when I realized that I had not even asked yet. I had five emails on it within ten minutes of putting it up and I had not even announced it or asked. This is great. The page is turning out to be very popular and a lot of you are participating in the fun. I did locate a good reference book on Fraternal organizations at the Binghamton library this week that contains a lot of the kind of information I am looking for, so I am able to add some historical content to the flagholder pages. That will take a while, but Elks and K of C are already done in that way. I have also added flags and additional marker photos to both of those. If you have checked a particular page, don't hesitate to check it again periodically as I am adding additional markers from the same organizations as I find them. Thanks for sharing in the fun of this new project. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counti es Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Hi, we are making a trip to Williamsport the first of Oct and this will be our first time in Pa. Could someone please give me instructions on how to get to the Old Settlers Cemetery in Covington Township. Gilman, Coffman, Laird, Titus Thanks for any help you can give Lila Miller

A South Mountain begins in Lycoming County enters Bradford Co at the county line in Canton Township. It continues into Leroy Township, ending just short of the northeastern border of Leroy and Franklin Townships (that part which was formerly Barkley Twp), where a valley separates it from Barkley Mountain. Barkley Mountain continues NE. But that's far distant from Monkey Run Road in South Creek Township. Dick McCracken Towanda, PA -- Plan Your Work... Work Your Plan...

There are two roads by that name. One is in South Creek Twp, Bradford Co, PA. The other is in Chemung Co, New York in the vicinity of Jerusalem Hill. Yours is probably the second one. Lynn Tinsley

Fellow Listers, I hope I'm asking good questions. I'm sure this is the best place to ask 'em... I have been searching township maps, school lists, diaries, tax reports and other likely sources I can find in the Tri-Counties data. On township maps, I thought I saw public schools located so all children could walk to classes. In early 1800s were children kicked out of elementary school if father failed to pay the township taxes? A Tri-Counties Lister has sent me copies of a Township Assessor's reports for 1823 & 1824 that list "Poor children sent home because parents are not able to pay". The name of each father appears in the column on the left. The name and the age or birth date of each child appear in the columns to the right. Would an assessor be recording "children returned" or "children sent home" if the children were in a school run by a church or a farmers' association? Can anyone tell me why the word "triennial" follows the year-date on each report? ( as in "...1823-Triennial" ) Bill DeGinder - Texas

Recently we rec'd a sketch of our families history and wonder if anyone out there knows of anything about the places mentioned - South Mountain, Leverich Farm or Monkey Run Road? Any help would be great appreciated. "Sara [FINN] arrived at her sister's Mrs. Patrick Ready [Margaret FINN] at the Leverich Farm on Maple Ave near Elmira and Wellsburg 1840-1848. Married Thomas Looney next known of ab_? South Mountain near Canton, PA. Took up a track of land, an Irish settlement. Had one daughter, Margaret, [Married Patrick McInerney of East Hill, Chemung Co.] born at So. Mt. maybe 1861. One son died in infancy. Moved to vicinity of Elmira and bought 8 acres of P. Ready. Sold that to Donahue and bought 35 acres on what is now known as Monkey Run Road. Mr. Looney died Aug. 29, 1879. " Thanks in advance, Sharron Vossoughi Rsvossoughi@worldnet.att.net Modesto CA

Lee, I ordered the pension records of my great-grandfather and his four brothers who fought in Company B, 101st PA Volunteer Infantry. I downloaded the forms from the Internet and enclosed a $10 check with each one. It took about four weeks for the first installments to arrive. In four instances the files were so voluminous that second installments were necessary: one for $10, two for $20, and, in my great-grandfather's case, $30. There were depositions by neighbors to support the applications of my great-great-grandmother, my great-grandmother, two great-great aunts, and one great-great-uncle who never married and applied for benefits on his own behalf. There was information about my relatives' occupations, their weddings, their dispositions, their moral characters, and much about their health and the illnesses they died from. There were affadavits from doctors. There was repetition, but I felt the $130 was well spent. I hope you're as lucky as I was. Good luck. John Bauer Mendham, NJ SnowLee@aol.com wrote: > Among the current freebies at Ancestry.com are civil war pension records. > What a great resource! While they are shadowy and somewhat hard to read, > they contain the unit served in and name of widow or minors for whom the > pension was requested. > > My BIG find was the name of Nancy, widow of my 3Greats-grandfather, Abraham > Palmer who died in the field hospital near Alexandria in May 1865. Her name > had been eluding me for a long time. > > Now a question - how long does it take to get a CW veteran's records from > NARA? Is there a cost? What have been the experiences of list members with > regards to usefulness of information found in these records? Also, has > anyone used the NARA microfilm listing headstones issued to Union veterans? > It is available at the Chicago regional office and just might be worth a trip. > > Lee Kinnan Fazzari > Aurora, IL

Question: Where might I find these "in-between" census ? Beck Sams Klansnic in Washington state Sun2Moon11@aol.com Question: From: "Cole LaFrance" <Cole@PharmRecruiters.com> Would anyone happen to know if there were any local census take in between the Federal census which took place every 10 years? I have read that this happened in certain locations. Regards from Fountain Hills AZ, Pat LaFrance Answer: From: "montrose" <montrose@ptdprolog.net> Pennsylvania, no. New York, yes: If my memory is correct -1825, 1835, 1855, 1865, 1875, 1892, 1905, 1915, 1925. J. Kelsey Jones

Among the current freebies at Ancestry.com are civil war pension records. What a great resource! While they are shadowy and somewhat hard to read, they contain the unit served in and name of widow or minors for whom the pension was requested. My BIG find was the name of Nancy, widow of my 3Greats-grandfather, Abraham Palmer who died in the field hospital near Alexandria in May 1865. Her name had been eluding me for a long time. Now a question - how long does it take to get a CW veteran's records from NARA? Is there a cost? What have been the experiences of list members with regards to usefulness of information found in these records? Also, has anyone used the NARA microfilm listing headstones issued to Union veterans? It is available at the Chicago regional office and just might be worth a trip. Lee Kinnan Fazzari Aurora, IL

Thanks, everybody. The light bulb just turned on. It's because I'm receiving in digest mode, and others are in list mode. Thanks for the explanation! (I liked Roland's best!) Janis Greenlaw Seaton

I have several old pictures that I can't connect with any of my family. None of my older relatives seem to know how these pictures came to be in our family picture archives. My family comes mostly from Bradford and Susquehanna and possibly Wyoming Countys. These pictures seem to be from around the turn of the century or earlier. If anyone can recognize any of these names or would like a copy of the pictures let me know. I have Chas Seeley in a wheel chair Lizzie Adler Harry Carter Mrs Riley Miles Will Swisher & Family Horace Roberts George Willard

Fellow Listers: Our ancestors survived very tough times. In history, and on the highways we must often deal with what happens ahead of us. In Texas, New Mexico & Colorado there are huge Agri-business feeding lots. Some feed up to 100,000 cattle at a time. These are connected to the beef factories by large cattle trucks. These two popular bumper stickers are often displayed on the rear gates for those who must follow them on the highways: "if you can read this YOU ARE TOO CLOSE!" and... " _ _ IT HAPPENS ! " My family research has revealed that two generations of ancestors were dedicated teachers, healers, and missionaries who endured great hardship & risk trying to merge the Indians into the inevitable westward Pennsylvania expansion. Events beyond their control forced the third generation to fight in several of the Indian Wars. Can I condemn them for killing Indians and surviving?? What will our great grand children say about us, and some of the waste & ruins we leave them? The best they can do is back off and be careful. It has already happened. We weren't smart enough to make it different. DeGinder - Texas ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Ray W. Justus" <rwjustus@uswest.net> Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] american indians Date: 07/18/2000 09:28pm So what can we do about changing what happened now? I seriously doubt that what happened over the last three or four hundred years was planned in advance.

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Regarding the question on how the answers are on the list before the question? I have always noticed that happens to me --- my AOL lists the posts in reverse order so when opened, I read the answer before the question. It took me a while to get used to it! Janventi2@aol.com researching SEAMAN*DUNSMORE*BOYER*CHILDS*MORRIS*WARREN* Jan

Many of these indians sided with the British during the American revolution and therefore after the war they were moved west. Barbara LaViers

In a message dated 7/19/00 7:46:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PABRADFO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I've just got to ask--how can both a question and its response appear in the same e-mail group? Who is able to read the question and respond to it before I have even seen the question? >> Janis, If you are subbed in Digest mode, you don't get it until a number of questions & responses have built up. So if somebody is in list mode they Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

In a message dated 7/18/00 2:03:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PABRADFO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I am researching the Freeman family that descended from Stephen Freeman and Hannah Astwood of the New Haven Colony at Milford, Connecticut. My great grandfather, Samuel Freeman and his wife, Margaret McCutcheon Freeman, migrated from West Milford, NJ, to Chemung, Chemung County, NY, where Margaret's mother, Hettie Mann McCutcheon and her son, William McCutcheon, were living after the death of Hettie's husband, John McCutcheon about 1850. I have never been able to find the date or exact place of his death. My grand father, Walter S. Freeman, was born in Chemung, Chemung County, NY, and moved, with his family to Bradford Co., PA, >> Leslie, My Wygant family went from NJ (Sussex Co.) to Chemung/Tioga Co. NY onto Bradford, Crawford & Venango Co's in PA. One of them, Tobias (b. c1795 NJ m. Rachel Smith c1815) whose ch. were probably b. (according to dates) while they were in Chemung/Tioga Co. NY area had a son named FREEMAN WYGANT. Tobias Wygants family went on to Michigan sometime, I believe c1840 or after. With the migration pattern & the fact that Freeman was used (for the 1st time that I know of) as a given name in the Wygant family, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is a connection! Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

So what can we do about changing what happened now? I seriously doubt that what happened over the last three or four hundred years was planned in advance. It is easy for someone to say how terrible the white man was, especially when they are sitting in their overstuffed chair in front of a TV or worse yet, in front of their 500 megahertz computer talking to the world. I grow weary of people who complain about how things should have been. If you really feel that you don't deserve what you have, do something about it. Engage in constructive volunteer work to help those less fortunate. If you are already doing it, more power to you! If you aren't, just what do your words really mean? Ray Justus Chandler, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Dickinson" <c.dickinson@usfamily.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: [PABRADFO] american indians I don't want to start a fight here...but I personally think "inadvertantly" isnt what it was...for info on exactly what went down with our ancestors, the beginning chapters of "The People's History of the United States" makes clear how pointed our ancestors were about exterminating the "red man"... Also, having spent many years on reservations in the midwest, I can pretty much say (as Russell means once said a lot more eloquently) that the first chemical warfare inflicted on a population was supplying the Indian population with alcohol. Cynthia Dickinson ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------