While a slight shift in subject, I saw several things in your message that caught my eye. My 3rd great grandmother Maria (Mary) Schaver (Schäffer) She was born in 1795 and was married to Joshua (Joseph) Barlet on Jun 08, 1817 at Christ Lutheran Church, Stouchsburg, Berks County, Pennsylvania. Joshua Barlet b: Feb 03, 1795 d: Nov 21, 1869 and his wife are found in the 1830 and 1840 in Heidelberg Twp and in the 1850 and 1860 census in Lower Heidelberg Twp. They had 2 children that I have identified Johnathan Barlett b:1824 and Ephraim b:1826. There are three other suspected children; William Samuel and Levenia. Joshua and Mary moved to what is now Mulberry Street in Reading by 1869 and by 1870 they were living in the Rickstown area of Reading where Joshua died. He is buried at the St John Hain Church. There are several events for the family in the church records. Maria is found in the 1870 census in the 6th Ward Reading, but her death date is unknown. She was alive in 1873 living in Rickstown when her son Ephraim died. By chance Is this family in your database? I have been working on this family for 10 years. I first learned from the census that Ephraim Barlet was my 2nd great grandfather and at first thought at first his parents were Daniel and Eva Barlet. I then found Ephraim obituary which gave me Joseph and Mary Barlet as his parents. It took me some years to associate Joseph Barlet with Joshua Barlet the son of Sebastian Barlet. Guns get blamed in shootings because the liberals say teaching the Ten Commandments with "Thou shall not kill" violate the separation of Church and State. On 1/2/2013 5:39 AM, [1]gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: audianaq41 Surnames: Schäffer Classification: queries Message Board URL: [2]http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti es.berks/10479.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jerry, In Berks Co Births 1710-1780, by John T Humphrey, there is an Anna Barbara SCH ÄFFER born 4/4/1732 to Michael and Anna Margaret (GLEB) SCHÄFFER, [spons: Nicho las Schäffer and wife] in records of Reed's/Reith's Church, Marion Twp. They had several children at that church, including Johannes Nickolaus b 2/24/1722 [spon: Nickolaus Schäffer and wife and Hannes Ad am Stern.] Johann Casper b. 10/7/1724 [spon: Nickolaus Schäffer and wife and Casper Schäff er Maria Margaretha b 9/29/1726 [spon: Michel Rith and wife] Maria Catharina b. 2/16/1728 [spon: Nickolaus Schäffer and wife] Johann Michael b. 3/26/1730 [spon: Michael Müller and wife] Anna Maria b.1/17/1739 [spon:Nickolaus Schäffer and wife] Margretha Elisabetha b 3/21/1741 [spons: Margaretha Elisabetha Rith and Hannes Schäffer] Elisabeth b. 12/14/1743 [spon: Johann Reinhardt Rohrer and wife. Here is a note about the church from the same source by Wright: Originally Lutheran it was organized between 1723-1727. The earliest surviving register is the one begun by Moravian pastors in 1742 wh en they took over the church and remained with them. The original is in the Mo ravian Archives, Bethlehem. The church is now Zion-St John's on East Main St, S touchsburg, near Tulpehocken, locating into town in 1895. Further info is shown in F Edward Wright's, 'Berks Co. Church Records of the 18 th century, Vol 3, page 72: Michael Schäffer b 1/15/1696, spons: Michel Suder and Anna Catharina Schäffer. Anna Margaretha Gleb b 9/8/1702, spons: Anna Margaretha Mershred They were married 11/22/1720 and their children listed are same as the ones listed above. I added sponsor info for their baptisms in [bra ckets], shown in this book, for each child shown above. This Anna Barbara is the earliest name I could find in 1730s in Berks Co. Hope this is her family. But may not be as there is a will abstract for this Mi chael Schäffer probated in 9/1760, Tulpehocken, wife Anna Margreta, and his dau Anna Barbara is married to a Phillip Brown. Oldest son is John Nicklaus. Young est daughter is Elisabeth. Dissappointed....sorry to give you all that info, a nd then see she is not the one you are looking for. Now here is another one born in Lancaster Co: This is from PA Births 1680-1800 , CD $196 by Family Tree Maker: Child: Anna Barbara Schäffer Birth/Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1730 Location: Muddy Creek Lutheran, East Cocalico Township County: Lancaster State: Pennsylvania Father: Johannes Schäffer Mother: Mrs. ??? Schäffer Muddy Creek is barely in Lancaster Co, west of Berks. Could she be the one you need? In Rev. John Casper Stoever's (Lutheran pastor) marriages: Anna Barbara Schäffer and Nicolaus Brosius were married 4/19/1752 at Altolhoe c hurch. Diana in AL Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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