Sally is the nickname for Sarah. paberks-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 2. Re: Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 3. ADMIN NOTE Replies to Board Messages (Richard Berkheiser) > 4. Re: Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 5. Re: Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:15:14 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) >To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1204064115.497567@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: DreisbachFalconer >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9860.2.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Thank you both for replying. So I now have parents for Katarina DeTurk, but I would love to find if there is a connection between Katarina and Isaac. Logic says there should be - but chance is always operative as well. However Isaac DeTurk must have had a reason to come specifically to the Oley Valley and it must have involved Huguenots that he was acquainted with. The Keims would be one such family. Possibly Katarina even was in the area first. > >I suspect that any answers may lie in the archives in Europe somewhere. > >Marcia > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:34:59 -0600 (CST) >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) >To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <19425400.433361204065299544.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Descendants of Johannes De Turk > > 1 Johannes De Turk 1650 - >.. +Hester Kip 1656 - 1727 >......... 2 John Pieter De Turk 1670/71 - >......... 2 Jacomina De Turk 1677 - >......... 2 Sarah De Turk 1679/80 - >......... 2 Rachel De Turk 1681 - >......... 2 Maria Elisabeth De Turk 1683/84 - >......... 2 Isaac DeTurck 1685 - 1727 >............. +Anna Maria De Harcourt 1672 - >.................... 3 Esther De Turk 1711 - 1798 >........................ +Abraham Bertholet 1712 - 1776 >............................... 4 Maria DeTurk Bertolet 1736 - >............................... 4 Daniel DeTurk Bertolet 1741 - 1797 >................................... +Maria Yoder 1748/49 - 1825 >............................... 4 [2] Elizabeth DeTurk Bertolet 1742 - >................................... +[1] Johannes De Turk 1746/47 - 1808 >............................... 4 Samuel DeTurk Bertolet 1743 - >............................... 4 Esther DeTurk Bertolet 1746 - >............................... 4 John DeTurk Bertolet 1750 - >.................... 3 John De Turk 1713 - 1781 >........................ +Deborah Hoch/High 1721 - >............................... 4 [1] Johannes De Turk 1746/47 - 1808 >................................... +[2] Elizabeth DeTurk Bertolet 1742 - >.................... 3 Catherine De Turk >........................ +Abraham Levan >......... 2 Esther Cornelia De Turk 1687 - 1687 >......... 2 Katharina/Bertha De Turk 1688 - 1730 >............. +Johannes Keim 1675 - 1753 >.................... 3 Katarina Keim 1708 - 1793 >........................ +John Henry Schneider >.................... 3 Johannes Keim 1711 - 1762 >........................ +Catherine Stump >............................... 4 Johnannes Keim 1732 - >............................... 4 John Peter Keim 1745 - 1829 >................................... +Susanna Eis 1746 - >............................... *2nd Wife of John Peter Keim: >................................... +Veronica "Fanny " Stutzman 1770 - 1805 >............................... *3rd Wife of John Peter Keim: >................................... +Mary >.................... 3 Stephen Keim 1717 - >........................ +Uliana >.................... 3 Nicholas Keim 1719 - 1802 >........................ +Barbara Schneider 1727 - 1788 >............................... 4 Catherine Keim 1746/47 - 1773 >................................... +Daniel Messersmith >............................... 4 John Keim 1749 - 1819 >................................... +Susanna de Benneville 1748 - 1837 >............................... 4 Susanna Keim 1753 - >................................... +John Bishop >.................... 3 Elizabeth Keim 1722/23 - 1764 >........................ +Christian Hoffert/Hoffarth 1716 - 1788 >.................... 3 Jacob Keim 1724 - 1799 >........................ +Magdalena Hoch 1730 - 1804 >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: DreisbachFalconer >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9860.2.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Thank you both for replying. So I now have parents for Katarina DeTurk, but I would love to find if there is a connection between Katarina and Isaac. Logic says there should be - but chance is always operative as well. However Isaac DeTurk must have had a reason to come specifically to the Oley Valley and it must have involved Huguenots that he was acquainted with. The Keims would be one such family. Possibly Katarina even was in the area first. > >I suspect that any answers may lie in the archives in Europe somewhere. > >Marcia > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > >To contact the List Administrator: >Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > >To visit the Berks Message Board: >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > >To visit the Berks County, PA website: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~paberks/ >Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >Doraine Dorman, Ph.D. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:08:58 -0500 >From: "Richard Berkheiser" <reberkheiser@earthlink.net> >Subject: [PABERKS] ADMIN NOTE Replies to Board Messages >To: <PABERKS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <019901c878cc$9379e580$6f4afc04@workstation0> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi everyone! > >Just a reminder about gatewayed messages from the Berks Message Board. 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This is still a free service but the registration is to help discourage spammers on the board. > >Also sometimes you can find the user's e-mail address on the Message Board by clicking on the highlighted in blue username in the top left corner of the posting. > >Hope this helps! > >Rick B >List Administrator > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:01:14 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) >To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1204070474.128127@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: audianaq41 >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9860.2.1.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >You are right that the answer lies in Europe, probably in Frankenthal! In the DeTurk genealogy book, pages 14-15, the author lists the 6 children baptized of Johannes DeTurk and Hester Kip, and does not show Katarina. The baptisms were found in the register of the Refugee Congregation there in Frankenthal. The youngest listed is Esther Cornelia DeTurk, 8/17/1687. Assumptions have been made that Katarina was born after this date to them, but if that is true, then I would think the record for her would have been included in the list of the other 6 children baptised at the Netherland Reformed Church in the Palatinate, aka Huguenot Refugee Congregation at Frankenthal for Johannes and Hester. I am not persuaded by the trees on WorldConnect that she is Isaac's sister. But then, I like the hard evidence! > >Somewhere I saw where Isaac came to NY on the Globe with his sister Esther, but her name is not on the list of passengers of that first ship with Rev. Kocherthal's party, so I doubt that is true. He was shown as bachelor then, and name was shown as Isaac Turk/Turck, and he married the widow Wimer/Wemar, who was on the ship with her daughter Catharina age 2, in Fall of 1709 in Esopus NY, according to the DeTurk book. Daughter Esther was baptized in NYC at the French Reformed Congregation on 4/29/1711. So they were on their way to PA by then, per the DeTurk book. >By 3/11/1712, warrant was issued to Isaac for 300 acres in Oley, Phila Co. Patented on 7/28/1712 for 30 pounds. > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:19:55 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Katarina DeTurk (abt 1688 - 1731) >To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1204071596.133124@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: DreisbachFalconer >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9860.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Yes, I'd read about Isaac's sister accompanying him and also searched the passenger list finding just Isaac's name. I agree, hard evidence is required - but it can be fun to speculate, as long as it doesn't become 'fact'. > >In other branches of my family, there are a few women who have several names although we are absolutely certain they are one and the same person. In one instance a woman is always referred to as Sally, but the baptismal records show her as Sarah. Usually the names are similar or else the name is written so poorly that it was transcribed incorrectly. This could be the case with Katarina. There are two siblings of Isaac's that might have been very poorly transcribed: Jacomina b. 1677 and Esther Cornelia b.1687. Although I have absolutely no evidence, neither have I seen the handwritten documents. "Cornelia" just possibly may be Katarina (similarity in sound, possibility of poor copying). OR - perhaps more likely, Katarina could be Isaac's cousin or some other DeTurk relative that he is acquainted with. >Ah well ... the search goes on. > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the PABERKS list administrator, send an email to >PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the PABERKS mailing list, send an email to PABERKS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of PABERKS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 94 >************************************** > > > >