Thanks to all for your help and suggestions. I am working in the test site of Family Search right now anyone tried that? Of course Elias is no where to be found!! Leon nice to know you are still out there I had sent you a personal message the other day. Guess I did not have your present e-mail. And yes I am on the Siegfried list too. Marge http://familysearchlabs.org/ Family Search Indexing http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch Then put in a name like Elias Siegfried and all events, click on exact and close match and go to exact, close and partial, then on search and play around on it been on for hrs at a time lately. (FREE)