This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.6.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For that time period churches are your best bet. What was their practiced religion? Whatever township they are in the 1850 census look for the churches around there and see if anything is still existing. You can write to them for records if they have them. Also because in 1850 I found another Shirley family a man with a wife a couple of children not much older than the Maria, then I found one more family (which I didn't send you that census) with a young girl about the age of 9 living with a family not the same surname. A theory that popped to mind was what if: Maria is a Shirley by birth and her parents died and she and the brother, raised all the young siblings as their own, including the 4 year old Richard Shirley who in 1850 was still listed as a Shirley. Because if she was remarried to the Jacob Burkert why not adopt the boy from the first marriage if he was her son? Instead if he was a Shirley then they would raise him as a son but keep his name for his own identity. Just a thought process I had. I still have to go back to ancestry.com and see what some of the book titles were. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nowaydn3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.6.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have looked at the Shirleys you mentioned...but unfortunately I am not able to put anyone together since I don't know who Richard Shirley's father was or what his mother's maiden name was. I am assuming that Richard's father died before 1849 since Maria is listed as married to Jacob Burkert and has a baby that is almost a year old in 1850. That is why I am hoping for a marriage certificate for Jacob and Maria, to try to figure out who she is. I am wondering who I contact to get a copy of the marriage...the county or the state since it would be a marriage around 1846-49? Would also be nice to find a Shirley marrying a Maria ______ in Berks Co also...should be around the 1844 to 1845 time frame. Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If this were the case you may luck out and find guardianship paper work for the boy. This would be especially true if the wife and the boy inherited property from the husband/father. Additionally you may be able to find a deed for the property if it was sold. And if it was sold there may be some petitions to the court to sell the property, by the guardian. I had a similar situation with my Hindenlang family. I first found the guardianship bonds which gave the name of the father. From the petitions to sell the wife and her sons property I learned the mother's name, and finally in a deed were fours sentences that said the guardian's wife was the boys mother and had been previously married to the boys father. On 3/27/2013 10:05 AM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: LAFinken87 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.6.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > For that time period churches are your best bet. What was their practiced religion? Whatever township they are in the 1850 census look for the churches around there and see if anything is still existing. You can write to them for records if they have them. > > Also because in 1850 I found another Shirley family a man with a wife a couple of children not much older than the Maria, then I found one more family (which I didn't send you that census) with a young girl about the age of 9 living with a family not the same surname. A theory that popped to mind was what if: > > Maria is a Shirley by birth and her parents died and she and the brother, raised all the young siblings as their own, including the 4 year old Richard Shirley who in 1850 was still listed as a Shirley. Because if she was remarried to the Jacob Burkert why not adopt the boy from the first marriage if he was her son? Instead if he was a Shirley then they would raise him as a son but keep his name for his own identity. > > Just a thought process I had. > > I still have to go back to ancestry.com and see what some of the book titles were. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many times when I am stuck, I can some times develop a lead on a genealogical dead end by doing a Google search. For your Shirley family, I would try searching no "shirley berk Pennsylvania", "shirley family berks 1700.1800", etc You can use wild cards like ? for one character or * for a string of characters and add and subtract terms to refine the search. You can also try other search sites like http://www.ask.com, or http://www.altavista.com/ Don't forget the book websites like Google Books., Archive.org, etc. there are many searchable web sites with full text searchable books. On 3/26/2013 8:52 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: nowaydn3 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.4.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > How do I access the history books for the Shirley's? The Shirley's are the ones I am related to. Maria was married 1st to a Shirley and they had my 5th great grandfather Richard Shirley. She married 2nd Jacob Burkert. First listing I have been able to find was the 1850 census for Upper Heidelberg, Berks Co. > > If you find Shirley's in anything in Berks Co I would love to see it. I was hoping to find Jacob and Maria's marriage so I could possibly learn her maiden name. > > Thank you for all you have been able to do so far! > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also see spellings in familysearch.org as Shirely, and Shurley in Berks county for 1820 and 1830' Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here is another 1850 census that you should at least hold onto that might mean something later. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M44V-54W I will have to go into ancestry.com tomorrow to get some of the history book,excerpts. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nowaydn3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How do I access the history books for the Shirley's? The Shirley's are the ones I am related to. Maria was married 1st to a Shirley and they had my 5th great grandfather Richard Shirley. She married 2nd Jacob Burkert. First listing I have been able to find was the 1850 census for Upper Heidelberg, Berks Co. If you find Shirley's in anything in Berks Co I would love to see it. I was hoping to find Jacob and Maria's marriage so I could possibly learn her maiden name. Thank you for all you have been able to do so far! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It took me a bit to find the 1850 census of Berks County. Ancestry.com spells the last name BORKHERT in case you got your 1850 census from some where else. There are Shirley's in the Berks County History Books. So the name was used. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know this isn't your Maria but I thought I would show it to you for time frame and church name. from ancestry.com PA church records ame: Maria Burkert Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 May 1834 Marriage Place: Douglassville, Berks, Pennsylvania Spouse Name: Alonzo Hobbens Organization Name: St GabrielŽs Episcopal Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MarySayman Surnames: Burkert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found this record but nothing else so far. NameJacob Burkert Birth Year (Estimated)1825 GenderMale Age (Original)45y RaceWhite BirthplaceBavaria Event PlacePennsylvania, United States Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LAFinken87 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In case any of these are children of Jacob and Maria. Not sure of their ages to compare census material. BURKERT ALBERT 34 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 BURKERT AUG 30 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 BURKERT AUG H 28 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 BURKERT CATHARINE 32 F W PA PA BERKS MAIDENCREEK TWP 1870 BURKERT ELIJAH 27 M W PA PA BERKS ONTELAUNEE TWP 1870 BURKERT ELIS 75 F W PA PA BERKS 2-WD READING 1870 BURKERT JOHN 22 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 BURKERT JOHN J 20 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 BURKERT JOSEPH 65 M W PA PA BERKS WASHINGTON TWP 1870 BURKERT NICHOLAS 56 M W PA PA BERKS 1-WD READING 1870 BURKERT SOLOMON 15 M W PA PA BERKS MAXATAWNY TWP 1870 BURKERT WILL G 43 M W PA PA BERKS 3-WD READING 1870 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MarySayman Surnames: Berkert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am going to suggest you try this site: https://www.familysearch.org/. I did a brief scan and found NO Berkert, but plenty of surnames that could possibly be Jacob. Remember that surnames got listed according to what the writer/recorder of the information heard. Immediately, my mind went to Burkhart and Burkhardt. I personally found nine different spellings of my family's surname in the records. Good luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Can anyone help or point me in the right direction? I hit my brick wall 10 years ago, I am looking for the Henry Meyer family and more importantly his father who came here from Germany "during the colonial days".  Henry was born in Berks County 1784, so his father would have come to America prior to 1784.  Henry and his offspring are listed in Maidencreek/Blandon area of Berks from 1820-1910 census, I have even found relatives through 1930 but I want to know who my proginator is. I do not know if he is the "lost Henry" from the Chris Meyer clan, though the birthdays are suspicious.  My Henry is May 6, 1784, and the Chris Meyer's clan Henry was born March 9, 1784.  And, as we all know, the beautiful scrolls and variation in handwritting back then is sometimes hard to discern.  I do not have no proof that my Henry is lost Henry from the Chris Meyer Clan so I am still searching The family name is written in most census records as Moyer.  In wills, church records, and cemetery stones the name is written Meyer.  I located his marriage record in 1813 as Meier...  I have a biography confirming I have the correct family. Henry was German, Lutheran, and married a Koller/Koehler, they bore 14 children whom 13 of them lived to be adults (per his will 1857).  I have traced a few of the children moving Ohio, Illinois and Colorado, those offspring are spelled Meyer, Myer, Myers and Meyers in following census. Other names in my Tree from Henry's offsping: Dreiblebis/Treiblebis.. Fegley Renninger Strubble/Stroeble... Hicks Curry andBrown Tobias Motz/Moats... Fuchs/Fox I am grateful for any tip, suggestion, clue, H

-----Original Message----- >From: paberks-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Mar 26, 2013 3:00 AM >To: paberks@rootsweb.com >Subject: PABERKS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 76 > > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > >When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Guy Bierman's e-address? RHOADS family (Judy) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:11:22 -0400 (EDT) >From: Judy <jstubbs100@aol.com> >Subject: [PABERKS] Guy Bierman's e-address? RHOADS family >To: paberks@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <8CFF7B46F8243E3-D44-8418@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >Several years ago Guy Bierman and I corresponded about our common interest in Effinger N. RHOADS of Berks Co. I tried to e-mail him today but apparently the address I had is no longer valid and my note bounced back. (It was a verizon.com address.) > If anyone has a current e-mail address for him would you please send that to me by e-mail? THANKS! > >Judy Castle Stubbs >jstubbs100@aol.com > > >------------------------------ >Believe verizon is a .net. >To contact the PABERKS list administrator, send an email to >PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the PABERKS mailing list, send an email to PABERKS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of PABERKS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 76 >**************************************

I now have the requested address. Thanks to all who replied! Judy

Several years ago Guy Bierman and I corresponded about our common interest in Effinger N. RHOADS of Berks Co. I tried to e-mail him today but apparently the address I had is no longer valid and my note bounced back. (It was a verizon.com address.) If anyone has a current e-mail address for him would you please send that to me by e-mail? THANKS! Judy Castle Stubbs jstubbs100@aol.com

HAACK(HACK,HAAK,HAWK) family descendants are seeking contacts with the subject family interests researching the following lines from Maxatawny Twp.: Daughters of Andreas and Anna Kunigunda HAACK: Barbara HAACK m. Theobald BAYER Justina HAACK m. Michael SCHAEFFER Susanna HAACK m. George WRIGHT Maria HAACK m. Jacob WETZEL Agnes HAACK m. Conrad MANESCHMIDT Anna Margaretha HAACK m. Jacob SCHARADIN Andreas HAACK and family appear to have arrived in Phila in Sept. 1738 aboard the ship Winter. He was 35 years of age. By 1749 he had obtained 225 acres of land in Maxatawny Twp. This land included three mills on the Saucony Creek, and was a portion of the location of the present day town of Bowers. The land was adjacent to the land of Peter LONG, the location of DeLongs Church. We are interested in learning if anyone has had any success in locating the area of Europe from which he came to America. Our searches in the works of Annette Burgert, Henry Jones, and the data base of Palatines to America have so far not been successful. The closest possibility has been the discovery of an Andreas HACK, born 30 April, 1703, to Hanss Wolffgang and Margareta Anna HACK, in Meimsheim, Wurttemburg, Germany. This is found in Family History Library film #118776, index no. C91748-1, p.487. There is a lot of info to share, too much to list here. I’d be grateful for any contacts to discuss it off list. Bill Hawk

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nowaydn3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10523.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just this past Friday I did actually find Jacob and Maria on the 1870 Mill Creek , Lebanon Co. PA Census. Jacob is also on the 1880 and 1900 Mill Creek Census. Location of Myerstown. So if there is anyone who can help in that area it would be great! Still hoping someone can help me find Maria's maiden name from a marriage certificate to Jacob Burkert. Chris...I don't know the exact date of death for Jacob and Maria but going by censuses...Maria would have died between 1870-80. Jacob would have died sometime after 1900. He would have been 75 in 1900. I really hope someone can help!! Thank you so much!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Kalza77 Surnames: Hagenbuch, Stapleton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10493.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your input. It is definitely a mystery. It seems to be so much harder to find thorough records of matrilineal lines since women typically gave up their surnames & were often not included in legal or business transactions. Granted, much of what we are doing here is supposition, but I would like to have as much accuracy as possible or it is all a waste of time. Let's keep looking & pass on the info if anything reliable comes into view. Thanks again! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.