This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gwenseeman Surnames: Born, Selius, Bart, Essig Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10225.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have two Adam's family members as witnesses to marriages of Peter Born. The first is Jacob Essig & Litia Adam to marriage of Peter Born & Elizabeth Selius. The second is to Peter Born & Veronica Bart with witness being Sabina Adam & John Adam Born. Do you have any info. on either of these people? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gwenseeman Surnames: Born, Ernst Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10254/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for info. on an Ernst family in 1850-1865 period in which I have them being married to John Born and also as Baptismal sponsors for John and Peter Born's family. I have a Charlotta Ernst & a Maria or Mary Ann Ernst. Most of these took place at Most Blessed Sacranebt Church in Bally. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DonnaGerber Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10221.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't have much information on the House of the Good Shepherd, but it was in existence already in 1895 when a distant relative was committed there by her parents. She had run away from home and evidently gave her parents a lot of trouble by staying out most of the night, etc. I found an article in the Reading Eagle about it. She also made the news when she ran away from the home a month later, but was caught and returned. In that article it said her parents said she kept bad company, stayed out late and was incorrigible and disobedient. She was 16 at the time. Both of these articles were on the front page. Her parents evidently had cause for concern because three years later she had a child out of wedlock, never marrying the father that I can find. She married three times, had at least 12 children, and her last husband was something like 28 to her 42. She made the paper again when she accused her second husband of abuse and eventually divorced him. She certainly ! is one of the more colorful characters I've come across. Thirty years ago, I interviewed her son who was the illegitimate child, and he had been raised by his grandparents. As someone else suggested, if you check the Reading Eagle on Google News Archives and search for the home, you should get some information. You'll have to use the Advanced Search though so you can specify Reading Eagle as the source. Hope this helps. -Donna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>>Fredrich FUHRMANN of Robeson Twp, this county, died on the 10th inst in his 81st year. No. I wish I did.. He is one of my ancestors. I suspect the Fuhrmanns may have come from Montgomery Co., possibly Franconia. He was married to an Elizabeth. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Quinones Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:01 PM To: PABerks Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Fuhrman/Forman/Foreman/Freeman There is a full will on the Berks genweb board of Frederick FUHRMAN who died in Robeson in 1823. His wife was Elizabeth who survived him. These are his children listed in his will: ... my nine children, namely, John Fuhrman, Philip Fuhrman, Jacob Fuhrman, Daniel Fuhrman, Henry Fuhrman, Barbara intermarried to Michael Beishlein, Elisabeth intermaried to Philip Schultz, Catharine intermaried to Jacob Fuhrman and Mary intermaried to John Kachel, but in case the said Barbara should die before her husband Michael Bishlein than[sic then] her share is to come to her the said Barbara's son Jacob. And I nominate and appoint my sons Henry Fuhrman and Daniel Fuhrman to be the Executors of this my last will and Testament. Witness my hand this seventh day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty three. Deaths in the Reading Adler Tuesday 10/21/1823 Edition: Fredrich FUHRMANN of Robeson Twp, this county, died on the 10th inst in his 81st year. Does anyone know where Frederick is from? Did he come from Montgomery Co, in Franconia area? I found a baptism at Indian Creek Reformed church for who I think is his daughter under spelling of FORMAN. Is this the same family?: Child: Anna Barbara Forman Birth/Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1766 Location: Indianfield Lutheran Church, Franconia Township County: Montgomery State: Pennsylvania Father: Frederick Forman Mother: Mrs. Elisabeth Forman Jim Freeman, do you have a birthdate for the Peter who died 1857? Thanks.... Diana in AL ---------------------------------------- Jim Freeman wrote: Elizabeth Freeman, w/o George Freeman and m/o Peter, was the d/o George and Maria Gerhart of Cumru Twp., Berks Co. She was born in Germany and died in 1862 at the Centre Twp. home of her son John Freeman. My guess would be that the Peter Foreman/Fuhrman in question is not her son. Peter Freeman died in 1857, before his mother, and left a widow, Sarah (Feinhauer). I have seen the Fuhrman/Foreman name on census records for the same area of Cumru Twp., specifically the Freemansville area. I haven't connected them to the Freeman line even though I have found the Freeman surname spelled Fuhrman on occasion. Jim Freeman -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Wevodau" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:07 PM To: Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Is this Peter Freeman? and: What is ElizabethForeman's maiden name? > > Re: Lykens/Fries ([1][email protected]): is this Peter Freeman a > son of > George & Elizabeth Freeman ? > Peter Foreman (or Fuhrman) was the son of Elizabeth Foreman, who died > intestate in 1847. She is presumably the widow of Henry Foreman > (1786-1830) > who is buried in St. John's Churchyard, Gibraltar. > Documents in Elizabeth's intestate file prove that her son Peter, who > married Sarah Likens, the daughter of William Likens & his wife Rebecca > Wicklein, moved to Bethel tp., Lebanon County. > An old-new question (I think I pose it once per year): Does anyone know > the > maiden name of this Elizabeth Foreman? Or does anyone have any church > records involved Henry Foreman & his wife Elizabeth? Their children > would > have been baptized circa 1805-1820, a time period for which I don't have > access to church records. > I've always hoped that a church record might give some clue as to > Elizabeth's parentage. > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== [email protected] To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, [email protected] To visit the Berks Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.s tates.pennsylvania.counties.berks> &r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks To visit the Berks County, PA website: http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ Hosted by Nancy Freehafer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1202 / Virus Database: 1435/3402 - Release Date: 01/25/11

There is a full will on the Berks genweb board of Frederick FUHRMAN who died in Robeson in 1823. His wife was Elizabeth who survived him. These are his children listed in his will: ... my nine children, namely, John Fuhrman, Philip Fuhrman, Jacob Fuhrman, Daniel Fuhrman, Henry Fuhrman, Barbara intermarried to Michael Beishlein, Elisabeth intermaried to Philip Schultz, Catharine intermaried to Jacob Fuhrman and Mary intermaried to John Kachel, but in case the said Barbara should die before her husband Michael Bishlein than[sic then] her share is to come to her the said Barbara's son Jacob. And I nominate and appoint my sons Henry Fuhrman and Daniel Fuhrman to be the Executors of this my last will and Testament. Witness my hand this seventh day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty three. Deaths in the Reading Adler Tuesday 10/21/1823 Edition: Fredrich FUHRMANN of Robeson Twp, this county, died on the 10th inst in his 81st year. Does anyone know where Frederick is from? Did he come from Montgomery Co, in Franconia area? I found a baptism at Indian Creek Reformed church for who I think is his daughter under spelling of FORMAN. Is this the same family?: Child: Anna Barbara Forman Birth/Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1766 Location: Indianfield Lutheran Church, Franconia Township County: Montgomery State: Pennsylvania Father: Frederick Forman Mother: Mrs. Elisabeth Forman Jim Freeman, do you have a birthdate for the Peter who died 1857? Thanks.... Diana in AL ---------------------------------------- Jim Freeman wrote: Elizabeth Freeman, w/o George Freeman and m/o Peter, was the d/o George and Maria Gerhart of Cumru Twp., Berks Co. She was born in Germany and died in 1862 at the Centre Twp. home of her son John Freeman. My guess would be that the Peter Foreman/Fuhrman in question is not her son. Peter Freeman died in 1857, before his mother, and left a widow, Sarah (Feinhauer). I have seen the Fuhrman/Foreman name on census records for the same area of Cumru Twp., specifically the Freemansville area. I haven't connected them to the Freeman line even though I have found the Freeman surname spelled Fuhrman on occasion. Jim Freeman -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Wevodau" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:07 PM To: Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Is this Peter Freeman? and: What is ElizabethForeman's maiden name? > > Re: Lykens/Fries ([1][email protected]): is this Peter Freeman a > son of > George & Elizabeth Freeman ? > Peter Foreman (or Fuhrman) was the son of Elizabeth Foreman, who died > intestate in 1847. She is presumably the widow of Henry Foreman > (1786-1830) > who is buried in St. John's Churchyard, Gibraltar. > Documents in Elizabeth's intestate file prove that her son Peter, who > married Sarah Likens, the daughter of William Likens & his wife Rebecca > Wicklein, moved to Bethel tp., Lebanon County. > An old-new question (I think I pose it once per year): Does anyone know > the > maiden name of this Elizabeth Foreman? Or does anyone have any church > records involved Henry Foreman & his wife Elizabeth? Their children > would > have been baptized circa 1805-1820, a time period for which I don't have > access to church records. > I've always hoped that a church record might give some clue as to > Elizabeth's parentage. > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > >

Ed, are there other names in the 1847 estate papers for Elizabeth? Did she die in Lebanon Co or Berks? Any siblings of Peter mentioned? How is her name recorded in the estate papers? FOREMAN or FUHRMAN or any other variation? Well, I was thinking Elizabeth could be a GERHART, but Jim Freeman just quashed that idea, since she died in 1862 in Centre Twp, wife of George FREEMAN/var.! Thanks.... Diana [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Peter Foreman (or Fuhrman) was the son of Elizabeth Foreman, who died intestate in 1847. She is presumably the widow of Henry Foreman (1786-1830) who is buried in St. John's Churchyard, Gibraltar. Documents in Elizabeth's intestate file prove that her son Peter, who married Sarah Likens, the daughter of William Likens & his wife Rebecca Wicklein, moved to Bethel tp., Lebanon County.

Elizabeth Freeman, w/o George Freeman and m/o Peter, was the d/o George and Maria Gerhart of Cumru Twp., Berks Co. She was born in Germany and died in 1862 at the Centre Twp. home of her son John Freeman. My guess would be that the Peter Foreman/Fuhrman in question is not her son. Peter Freeman died in 1857, before his mother, and left a widow, Sarah (Feinhauer). I have seen the Fuhrman/Foreman name on census records for the same area of Cumru Twp., specifically the Freemansville area. I haven't connected them to the Freeman line even though I have found the Freeman surname spelled Fuhrman on occasion. Jim Freeman -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Wevodau" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:07 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Is this Peter Freeman? and: What is ElizabethForeman's maiden name? > > Re: Lykens/Fries ([1][email protected]): is this Peter Freeman a > son of > George & Elizabeth Freeman ? > Peter Foreman (or Fuhrman) was the son of Elizabeth Foreman, who died > intestate in 1847. She is presumably the widow of Henry Foreman > (1786-1830) > who is buried in St. John's Churchyard, Gibraltar. > Documents in Elizabeth's intestate file prove that her son Peter, who > married Sarah Likens, the daughter of William Likens & his wife Rebecca > Wicklein, moved to Bethel tp., Lebanon County. > An old-new question (I think I pose it once per year): Does anyone know > the > maiden name of this Elizabeth Foreman? Or does anyone have any church > records involved Henry Foreman & his wife Elizabeth? Their children > would > have been baptized circa 1805-1820, a time period for which I don't have > access to church records. > I've always hoped that a church record might give some clue as to > Elizabeth's parentage. > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > >

Re: Lykens/Fries ([1][email protected]): is this Peter Freeman a son of George & Elizabeth Freeman ? Peter Foreman (or Fuhrman) was the son of Elizabeth Foreman, who died intestate in 1847. She is presumably the widow of Henry Foreman (1786-1830) who is buried in St. John's Churchyard, Gibraltar. Documents in Elizabeth's intestate file prove that her son Peter, who married Sarah Likens, the daughter of William Likens & his wife Rebecca Wicklein, moved to Bethel tp., Lebanon County. An old-new question (I think I pose it once per year): Does anyone know the maiden name of this Elizabeth Foreman? Or does anyone have any church records involved Henry Foreman & his wife Elizabeth? Their children would have been baptized circa 1805-1820, a time period for which I don't have access to church records. I've always hoped that a church record might give some clue as to Elizabeth's parentage. References 1. mailto:[email protected]

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Carol and all Here is the main page for Register of Wills and on the left side you can see the options. You may want to bookmark this link as well. http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/RegWills/Pages/default.aspx Diana in AL [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 Subject: Re: [PABERKS] PABERKS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17 I don't see any instructions on how to order a will on this site. Carol in CT

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ams77777 Surnames: bachman/baughman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9868.2.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for information on friederich bachman and his spouse is eva unger. Do you have an address for this church. Can you photo copy the book and share please. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I don't see any instructions on how to order a will on this site. Carol in CT On 1/20/2011 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:32:46 -0600 > From: Diana Quinones<[email protected]> > Subject: [PABERKS] Register of Wills new search site > To: PABerks<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The Berks County website is being redone and here is new link for the searching at Register of Wills: > > http://rwills.co.berks.pa.us/geneology/ > > You need to bookmark this link and rep;ace it with the old one. > > Not sure about Recorder of Deeds site but here is a link for it showing searching info: > > http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Deeds/Pages/OnlineRecordsSearchInstructions.aspx > > Diana in Alabama, > home of the last 2 BCS Champion football teams: Alabama and Auburn! > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PABERKS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the PABERKS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PABERKS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17 > ************************************** > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3390 - Release Date: 01/19/11 02:34:00 >

Diana, It is true Berks County changed their URLs without notice, but they are all still there. This is the SimpleSearch for searching the deeds index http://simplesearch.recordfusion.com/berkspa/LandIndex.asp?DateRange=Select&Type=Select This is the log in page for searching the deed images. http://simplesearch.recordfusion.com/berkspa/LandIndex.asp?DateRange=Select&Type=Select Betty

Janis: I am also a descendant of the Henry/Rachel Boughter/Buchter family. Can you please send me a copy of the picture also? thanks, Maureen in Modesto   ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [PABERKS] George Smith & Amanda M Buchter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmdt1129 Surnames: Boughter, Buchter, Smith, Mayo Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10252.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry I can't help you with George Smith, but Amanda is definitely the daughter of Henry and Rachel Boughter/Buchter. She is a sister to my great-grandmother. If you are interested in her side of the family, let me know. I have a photograph of a newspaper article on Amanda's funeral which was clipped from an unspecified and undated newspaper and pasted into the scrapbook of Elizabeth Mayo Boughter. Elizabeth was married to Henry Boughter Jr. and was a sister-in-law of Amanda's. I can send you a copy if you like. You can email me directly. Janis Tomko Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ==== PABERKS Mailing List ====       [email protected] To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, [email protected] To visit the Berks Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks To visit the Berks County, PA website: http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ Hosted by Nancy Freehafer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Berks County website is being redone and here is new link for the searching at Register of Wills: http://rwills.co.berks.pa.us/geneology/ You need to bookmark this link and rep;ace it with the old one. Not sure about Recorder of Deeds site but here is a link for it showing searching info: http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Deeds/Pages/OnlineRecordsSearchInstructions.aspx Diana in Alabama, home of the last 2 BCS Champion football teams: Alabama and Auburn! [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmdt1129 Surnames: Boughter, Buchter, Smith, Mayo Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10252.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry I can't help you with George Smith, but Amanda is definitely the daughter of Henry and Rachel Boughter/Buchter. She is a sister to my great-grandmother. If you are interested in her side of the family, let me know. I have a photograph of a newspaper article on Amanda's funeral which was clipped from an unspecified and undated newspaper and pasted into the scrapbook of Elizabeth Mayo Boughter. Elizabeth was married to Henry Boughter Jr. and was a sister-in-law of Amanda's. I can send you a copy if you like. You can email me directly. Janis Tomko Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I found church records in Pa are great. They sometimes list some history of a member. Janice ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 9:02:56 PM Subject: [PABERKS] German Immigrants 1750s from Wurtemburg - Braun - Hohl - Lingenfelter? We are attempting to track down a family anecdote, to see if other families may share a similar history. It is said that, in the early1750s, perhaps 1753, a Braun family set out from Wurtemburg and sailed for North America via Rotterdam. We only know that the Braun family consisted of a father and five children -- no mention of a wife/mother, but it doesn't mean that she didn't have exist, because, many ship's captains didn't list women. Somewhere between England and Philadelphia, the father died and was buried at sea. There's no indication as to whether the children were kept together or if they were split up into the German population which was highly-reputed for taking care of "their own". One child may have been named Henry, and others may have been George, Daniel, Johann, Samuel, Jacob, Frederick or perhaps Mathias. but there's absolutely no documentary indication of names, only supposition based on descendant names. It's entirely possible that some of then might have been girls. The ship probably docked briefly in England for the German passengers to disembark and swear allegiance to the King of England. Therefore, the Germans arriving in North American would be citizens of England, with loyalty to King George II. We suspect (without evidence) that our Georg Braun may have been one of those children. We think we've found him in York County, married to Catharina Hengst in 1779. It's the same church where marriages occurred in collateral families: Hohl/ Holl/Hull and Lingenfelter. Can anyone help us to unravel this connection, if any? We are happy to share our research information with serious researchers. Jim Patrick Tampa Florida ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== [email protected] To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, [email protected] To visit the Berks Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks To visit the Berks County, PA website: http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ Hosted by Nancy Freehafer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kkeul Surnames: KELLY / WILLOUGHBY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10253/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on the Kelly/Willoughby family, many of whom lived at 423 Chesnut St. in Reading in the 1940's. Mary Jane Kelly (b. approx. 1890) Francis J. Kelly (b. approx. 1890) James Willoughby (b.1911) Mary Ruth Willoughby (b.1911) Bernard Willoughby (b. about 1914) Frances E. Kelly (b.1919) Catherine M. Kelly (b. 1922) Mary T. Kelly (b. 1923) Eleanor Kelly (b. about 1926) Several of them were involved in organized crime in Reading at the time. Any information you can provide would be much appreciated! Thank you, Kelly Duer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jocinderella84 Surnames: Buchter, Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/10252/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information about George Smith, born in New York abt 1843. George married Amanda M Buchter in 1870, born Berks or Montgomery county PA abt 1854. Through census records I believe George and Amanda's children were; Molley b. abt 1870, William b. abt 1872, Warren b. abt 1874, Emma b. abt 1876, George b. 1878, Joseph b. abt 1880, Josephine b. abt 1883, Arthur Samuel b. abt 1888, Fredrick b. abt 1891. Also through census records I believe Amanda M Buchter parents were Henry Buchter and Rechael Levengood. Thank you for your time and effort. Jo Cinderella Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

We are attempting to track down a family anecdote, to see if other families may share a similar history. It is said that, in the early1750s, perhaps 1753, a Braun family set out from Wurtemburg and sailed for North America via Rotterdam. We only know that the Braun family consisted of a father and five children -- no mention of a wife/mother, but it doesn't mean that she didn't have exist, because, many ship's captains didn't list women. Somewhere between England and Philadelphia, the father died and was buried at sea. There's no indication as to whether the children were kept together or if they were split up into the German population which was highly-reputed for taking care of "their own". One child may have been named Henry, and others may have been George, Daniel, Johann, Samuel, Jacob, Frederick or perhaps Mathias. but there's absolutely no documentary indication of names, only supposition based on descendant names. It's entirely possible that some of then might have been girls. The ship probably docked briefly in England for the German passengers to disembark and swear allegiance to the King of England. Therefore, the Germans arriving in North American would be citizens of England, with loyalty to King George II. We suspect (without evidence) that our Georg Braun may have been one of those children. We think we've found him in York County, married to Catharina Hengst in 1779. It's the same church where marriages occurred in collateral families: Hohl/ Holl/Hull and Lingenfelter. Can anyone help us to unravel this connection, if any? We are happy to share our research information with serious researchers. Jim Patrick Tampa Florida