Thanks for this information. I do get Heritage Quest, so will be glad to be able to check Vol 1 from home. M Calvin. >For any of you who have access through their public library to >Heritage Quest, the Stout and Allied Families book?that Margaret >Calvin was referring to can be found online in digital format.? The >Daniel Stout we have been talking about is G 5-24-22 whose lineage >starts on page 563 of the book.? > >Michele > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > >To contact the List Administrator: >Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > >To visit the Berks Message Board: >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > >To visit the Berks County, PA website: >http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat - Will be glad to do it. Someone has done things for me so I try to pay back. I don't know why this particular group went to Indiana and came back. I do know that many families from Fairfield/Pickaway cos etc went to Indiana. My understanding was part was cheaper land, forestry and apparently some mines. Those who didn't make it, or whose family got homesick came back. The rain is gone in SE Ohio, although we're getting clouds again! And thank goodness the 90 degree weather has gone also --- at least for a while! Margaret C >Hi Marguerite, > >I would be very very happy to have copies of the pages from the Stout Volume >you have on the lines of Hannah/Sarah Stout, daughter of Daniel and any >pages you feel are connected to her. She was born in Indiana according to >census records. Do you know why the Stouts went to Indiana and then to >Circleville? > >I would be very happy to reimburse you for copies and postage. You are very >kind to do this for me. > >Pat in rainy northern Maine. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marguerite Crist Calvin" <cristcalvin@verizon.net> >To: <paberks@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:34 PM >Subject: Re: [PABERKS] parents of Daniel STOUDT and Harriet FELTHOFF of >Maxatawny > > >> Harold Stout died several years ago. His wife had some for a while. i >> believe she is now dead. The son, according to info I got a couple of >> years ago, is not interested in reissuing them. Adm. Stout sent me a >> booklet of Stout marriages (spellings various) from PA, when I got >> the book many years ago. At the time I didn't realize I should have >> gotten both of them. I was just through Stoutsville last Friday. >> There was a Stout Crist marriage in PA. They came to Pickaway co. My >> Simon Crist who came from PA had two daughters marry Stout men - >> George and Jonathan. If you want me to zap out the pages in the Stout >> book, I can do that. My book is the Second Edition of vol. 2. John >> Michael Staudt containes the Berks co map, plus Stoutsville and >> Circleville maps. >> >> Let me know if anything else would be useful. I do have a copier here >> at home. Margaret C >>>Hi Margaret, >>> >>>Thank you so much for the information on the Stouts. I knew there was a >>>Stoutsville in Ohio and thought there could be a connection to the >>>Circleville Stouts. You've given me much information that I did not have. >>>Hannah Stout Married William HEnry Palm in Circleville. She would be my >>>husband's Great Grandmother. >>> >>>Do you know if the Stout books are still available? >>> >>>Pat in northern Maine >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Marguerite Crist Calvin" <cristcalvin@verizon.net> >>>To: <paberks@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:08 PM >>>Subject: Re: [PABERKS] parents of Daniel STOUDT and Harriet FELTHOFF of >>>Maxatawny >>> >>> >>>> Thought I'd just check the Stout book I do have. And there is a John >>>> Adam STOUDT 1777-1853 mar Catherine Wagner in 1814. He was in >>>> Richmond tp Berks co. A daughter Priuscilla married a FELDHOFF 1819 >>>> in Maxatawny. >>>> >>>> And G 5-24-22 (Stout's numbering) >>>> Daniel Stout 1830-1903 maried Harriet FELDHOFF 1831-1897 >>>> Clingon co Ind 1866, Circleville O Veterinary and Herbalist 1894 >>>> Constable, Circleville tp. D 24 July 1903 with wife in Forest cem. >>>> >>>> Ch: Reuben - 1891 no issue >>>> John died 1888 no issue >>>> Louis no issue >>>> Hannah d 1915 G 6-24-221-5 >>>> Albert d 1913 G 6-24-222 >>>> Nicholas 1866 - 1908 G 6-24-223 >>>> >>>> I believe the last three have follow up in the book. Also those dying >>>> after Dec 1908 may be on the Ohio Death certificate site at > >>> FamilySearch. Margaret Calvin >>>> >>>> >>>>>Diana, >>>>>Thank you so much. I now have names for Harriet's parents and some >>>>>aged. >>>>>I >>>>>really appreciate your help. >>>>>Pat in northern Maine >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Diana Quinones" <audianaq@msn.com> >>>>>To: <paberks@rootsweb.com> > >>>>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:32 AM >>>>>Subject: [PABERKS] parents of Daniel STOUDT and Harriet FELTHOFF of >>>>>Maxatawny >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat......In 1850 Census in Maxatawny, Berks Co it appears they are >>>>>> already >>>>>> or just married and living with her parents: >>>>>> >>>>>> John Felthoff 52 lime burner >>>>>> Sarah Felthoff 48 >>>>>> Henry Felthoff 20 lime burner >>>>>> Louisa Felthoff 15 attended school w/i the year >>>>>> Lesetta Felthoff 7 >>>>>> Daniel Stoudt 20 laborer married within the year >>>>>> Harriett Stoudt 17 married within the year >>>>>> >>>>>> You might want to look at the 1840 Census, to see if any of his >>>>>> surname >>>>>> live in the area with a male child c10. >>>>>> I have seen the name STAUD/STAUDT as well as STOUT/STOUDT. >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact, there was a Daniel STAUDT who died 4/1/1820 in Reading, and >>>>>> was >>>>>> the schoolmaster and organist for Trinity Lutheran church in Reading >>>>>> for >>>>>> 34 years. He had several boys, but only 2 who may have lived to >>>>>> maturity >>>>>> and had a family. I don't know if any located to the Maxatawny area >>>>>> or >>>>>> not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck...hope someone else will read this and can find your >>>>>> Daniel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Diana in AL >>>>>> >>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> patz05@verizon.net wrote on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a Harriet Felthoff born about 1835 in Maxatawny, Berks >>>>>> County, >>> >>> Pa >>>>>> who married a Daniel Stoudt/Stout who was born about 1830 in >>>>>> Maxatawny. >>>>>> Their daughter Sarah Hannah or Hannah Sarah was born in February >>>>>> 1861 >>>>>> in >>>>>> Indiana. Hannah married a Palm and died September 15, 1915 in >>>>>> Circleville, Ohio. >>>>>> >>>>>> Who were the parents of Harriet Felthoff and Daniel Stoudt? There >>>>>> were >>>>>> Stoudt/Stouts in Caroll County, Indiana. Would that be the same >>>>>> line? >>>>>> Any >>>>>> help would be appreciated >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >>>>>> PABERKS@rootsweb.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To contact the List Administrator: >>>>>> Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To visit the Berks Message Board: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks >>>>>> >>>>>> To visit the Berks County, PA website: >>>>>> http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >>>>>> Hosted by Nancy Freehafer >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >>>>> PABERKS@rootsweb.com >>>>> >>>>>To contact the List Administrator: >>>>>Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>> >>>>>To visit the Berks Message Board: >>>>>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks >>>>> >>>>>To visit the Berks County, PA website: >>>>>http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >>>>>Hosted by Nancy Freehafer >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >>>> PABERKS@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> To contact the List Administrator: >>>> Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> To visit the Berks Message Board: >>>> >>>>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks >>>> >>>> To visit the Berks County, PA website: > >>> http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >>>> Hosted by Nancy Freehafer >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >>> PABERKS@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To contact the List Administrator: >>>Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To visit the Berks Message Board: >>>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks >>> >>>To visit the Berks County, PA website: >>>http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >>>Hosted by Nancy Freehafer >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >> PABERKS@rootsweb.com >> >> To contact the List Administrator: >> Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> To visit the Berks Message Board: >> >>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks >> >> To visit the Berks County, PA website: >> http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >> Hosted by Nancy Freehafer >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > >To contact the List Administrator: >Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > >To visit the Berks Message Board: >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > >To visit the Berks County, PA website: >http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ >Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last_Name First_Name Middle_Name Suffix_Name Date_of_File Residence White Florence G. 07/11/1949 Reading City Houck Alvertz N. 08/04/1944 Oley Township No guarantees, but these are the closest I could find. They are Berks Co. Estate Files. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SuzE2300 Surnames: Fulk Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/9901/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on a Jacob Fulk - believed to be the father of Daniel Fulk. I have the following information: 1) Daniel was born between 1803-1813; in OH, VA, or PA. (from 1850, 1860 census; later from daugthers reporting of father's POB in census). 2) Daniel married Sarah Trader - 1840 in Marshal County, VA (now WV). They had 13 children, 12 at least were girls. Daniel was a mason. 3) After 1860 census, they moved to Muskingum County, OH were Daniel died in 1869 at the age of 62 - Probate Records of the county. He is buried in Wayne Township. Muskingum County is just east of Licking County. 4) From another researcher - her family history has the father of Daniel as Jacob - from Reading, PA, and living to the age of 104. I don't know if he remained in PA or moved west. Can anyone help me in connecting Daniel with a Jacob Fulk from Reading, PA, Thank-you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi everyone! In case you missed my earlier hint on this discussion. Copyright issues are off topic for this list, and I think the original question has been sufficiently answered. Thanks! Rick B List Administrator

Those of us who are printing up family histories are not publishing them in the legal sense. We are COMPILING them, and there is a difference. If you gather information from all kinds of sources and then put it all in one volume, and then print up copies of that volume and distribute it ... especially if you are only charging the cost of copying it ... you are not publishing it and you are not infringing on anyone's copyright. You are compiling information. It is a point of law that you can only copyright ORIGINAL information. If you are gathering information, then you are not infringing. In colleges, professors have to watch copyright restrictions if they are going to copy en mass text books because the text books are ORIGINAL material written by the authors. If we write an ORIGINAL manuscript about our ancestors ... in other words, telling a story in our own original and thought up words, we can copyright it. But if we are gathering public documents and distributing them, we are not infringing on a copyright and we cannot copyright it because it is not our own original effort to create those documents. As a courtesy, in my data, I include credits such as a person who emailed me information, or if I copy it from a book (especially if the book contains copies of public documents such as birth or death or marriage certificates) I note where it is available from. THAT is not infringing on anyone's copyright. It's a matter of law ... compilations are not copyrightable and are not infringements. If medical journals and pharmaceutical journals compile indexes or abstracts of articles, they are not infringing on anyones copyright. If we compile data on our ancestors we are not infringing on a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com<mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com> To: paberks@rootsweb.com<mailto:paberks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Genealogy copywrite question Hi, Leroy- It is really best not to try to give copyright advice unless you are a copyright attorney. It is a very complex subject which is the reason I recommended the COPYRIGHT@rootsweb.com<mailto:COPYRIGHT@rootsweb.com> mailing list for in depth copyright discussion. Just giving another person "credit" does not absolve a person from infringing on a copyright. Also, you do not have be selling or profiting from the material to be infringing on someone's copyright. Joan In a message dated 6/17/2008 1:51:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmchemcons@earthlink.net<mailto:lmchemcons@earthlink.net> writes: If you give credit to the source in your publication, you are actually giving them free advertising. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>) ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== PABERKS@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABERKS@rootsweb.com> To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com> To visit the Berks Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks> To visit the Berks County, PA website: http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/<http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/> Hosted by Nancy Freehafer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Paula -------------- Original message -------------- From: paulatrefun@comcast.net > I did some extensive research on copywright a while back for a project I was > working on... > > publically available data from census images, birth and death records, etc can > not be copywrighted. > > The only way a person who has copywrighted such information is in the MANNER in > which the data is displayed on a web page or printed in a book. They can not > copywright the info itself. > > However, if you are copying stories and written accounts as part of your > findings, that is copywrighted and you must obtain permission should you want to > include that copied story in a genealogy that you publish as your own. > > Most people who have genealogy websites online falsely state they own the > copywright to the data, which is not true. > > -Paula > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: bobtheachey@comcast.net > > > Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such information > > in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of copywrite infringment > > when publishing their own line? > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > > > To contact the List Administrator: > > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states > > .pennsylvania.counties.berks > > > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states > .pennsylvania.counties.berks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Leroy- It is really best not to try to give copyright advice unless you are a copyright attorney. It is a very complex subject which is the reason I recommended the COPYRIGHT@rootsweb.com mailing list for in depth copyright discussion. Just giving another person "credit" does not absolve a person from infringing on a copyright. Also, you do not have be selling or profiting from the material to be infringing on someone's copyright. Joan In a message dated 6/17/2008 1:51:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmchemcons@earthlink.net writes: If you give credit to the source in your publication, you are actually giving them free advertising. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I used to get HEritage Quest through the Godfrey Library but they don't have it anymore. I didn't keep Godfrey after that. ----- Original Message ----- From: <michelegenealogy@aol.com> To: <paberks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Stout and Allied families by Herald F. Stout > > For any of you who have access through their public library to Heritage > Quest, the Stout and Allied Families book?that Margaret Calvin was > referring to can be found online in digital format.? The Daniel Stout we > have been talking about is G 5-24-22 whose lineage starts on page 563 of > the book.? > > Michele > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I did some extensive research on copywright a while back for a project I was working on... publically available data from census images, birth and death records, etc can not be copywrighted. The only way a person who has copywrighted such information is in the MANNER in which the data is displayed on a web page or printed in a book. They can not copywright the info itself. However, if you are copying stories and written accounts as part of your findings, that is copywrighted and you must obtain permission should you want to include that copied story in a genealogy that you publish as your own. Most people who have genealogy websites online falsely state they own the copywright to the data, which is not true. -Paula -------------- Original message -------------- From: bobtheachey@comcast.net > Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such information > in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of copywrite infringment > when publishing their own line? > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states > .pennsylvania.counties.berks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such information in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of copywrite infringment when publishing their own line?

For any of you who have access through their public library to Heritage Quest, the Stout and Allied Families book?that Margaret Calvin was referring to can be found online in digital format.? The Daniel Stout we have been talking about is G 5-24-22 whose lineage starts on page 563 of the book.? Michele

I totally agree here.  I am printing a book for my family, which I am "selling" to them just for the cost of printing (so not really selling, per se) and I have included all of the credit information, so I do not feel that I am abusing the situation.  I certainly am not making any money off of it.  As an author myself, I would appreciate anyone who wants to use my material to contact me.  That is what I did, so just ask the publisher, or author, if you can use the info in a book that only your family will have copies of and the authors most likely will graciously allowed you to do that.  It is a path a person may follow.  Of course if the printed material is very old, that may be an impossibility.  When I see someone put info from material on the net but don't give credit where credit is due, it bothers me, so I guess my suggestion is to ask, always ask, if possible. Sande   "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." – T.S. Eliot "To change one's life: 1. Start immediately. 2. Do it flamboyantly. 3. No exceptions." – William James ----- Original Message ---- From: Leroy Miller <lmchemcons@earthlink.net> To: paberks@rootsweb.com Cc: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:50:26 AM Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Genealogy copywrite question This question keeps coming up from time to time.  As a retired  chemist, let me say that if everyone worried about using information  from another source, science would grind to an absolute halt.  Give  credit to the source or sources of your information, and then forget  about it.  Is the other person making money from selling the  information that you are acquiring?  Are you making money from  selling the information that you are publishing?  If the answer is  yes, and if you copy the information word for word without giving the  other person credit, then you may be liable for damages.  In that  unlikely situation, they can sue you.  But I will bet you never get  sued.  If you give credit to the source in your publication, you are  actually giving them free advertising. Leroy Miller ************************************************************* On Jun 17, 2008, at 5:00 AM, bobtheachey@comcast.net wrote: > Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such  > information in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of  > copywrite infringment when publishing their own line? >  ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >        PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec? > htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.b > erks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  > in the subject and the body of the message ==== PABERKS Mailing List ====       PABERKS@rootsweb.com To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com To visit the Berks Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks To visit the Berks County, PA website: http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ Hosted by Nancy Freehafer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This question keeps coming up from time to time. As a retired chemist, let me say that if everyone worried about using information from another source, science would grind to an absolute halt. Give credit to the source or sources of your information, and then forget about it. Is the other person making money from selling the information that you are acquiring? Are you making money from selling the information that you are publishing? If the answer is yes, and if you copy the information word for word without giving the other person credit, then you may be liable for damages. In that unlikely situation, they can sue you. But I will bet you never get sued. If you give credit to the source in your publication, you are actually giving them free advertising. Leroy Miller ************************************************************* On Jun 17, 2008, at 5:00 AM, bobtheachey@comcast.net wrote: > Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such > information in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of > copywrite infringment when publishing their own line? > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > PABERKS@rootsweb.com > > To contact the List Administrator: > Rick Berkheiser, PABERKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > To visit the Berks Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec? > htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.b > erks > > To visit the Berks County, PA website: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~berks/ > Hosted by Nancy Freehafer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABERKS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, The copyright issue may seem a bit off-subject on the Berks list, but your information is much appreciated and important to anyone considering writing their family history. Thank you for the copyright site, it is well worth knowing about. Betty

Let me start with saying two things: 1) The word is COPYRIGHT, not copywrite, if you mean the legal ownership to words you have written, and 2) this is actually a bit off-topic for the PABERKS list but there is a wonderful list at RootsWeb called COPYRIGHT@rootsweb.com where there are experts who can answer your specific questions about copyright laws -- which can vary depending on the country being discussed. Since you posted to PABERKS I'll assume you mean USA Copyright law... That said, just a general statement to briefly answer your question: most genealogical information you find is factual: names, dates, and places involving our ancestors. Facts cannot be copyrighted by anyone in the USA because US copyright law protects original creative content. So the answer is that you cannot be guilty of copyright infringement for publishing your own genealogical information with the stipulation that if you copy information (factual information) that someone else found and researched you should always list the source where you got the information (to fail to do so is not only sloppy research but also is plagiarism to not give credit to the person who found the information). Also, copying someone else's narrative text word for word-- content they themselves created and wrote--would be copyright infringement. To sum it up, your question might sound like a simple one--but the answer is very complex and depends on many factors which can be sorted out and explained on the COPYRIGHT list if you are interested in joining that list and asking in detail there. The discussion can be very educational for those who are interested in learning. We are not attorneys on that list but many of us have studied copyright laws and court decisions and can provide general information that will answer most questions you might have. Joan In a message dated 6/17/2008 8:01:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobtheachey@comcast.net writes: Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such information in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of copywrite infringment when publishing their own line? **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Is a person tracing their own grandparental data, and finding such information in claimed copywrited information on the web, guilty of copywrite infringment when publishing their own line? -------------------- Hi there! Copyright discussions are off topic here, but your question is a good one. :-) Basically, facts and data are not copyright protected. Original thought is. Nobody can own facts. If you find when a relative was born, died, married, etc., its considered public information. Just make sure you cite in your files where you found it. Hope this helps! Rick B

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jslgrland Surnames: TOBIAS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.berks/126.300.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, Am also descended from Ludwig's son Daniel, my Mother was Grace Tobias,so this caught my eye. Thanks for additional information re Daniel. In one of other posts herein it mentioned a new Tobias website, is this now up & running & if so how do we find it? Thanks in advance from Florida Tobias group. Jan Snyder Leibin Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I recently got the death cert for my ancestor William Zuber born 1843 PA and died April 1914 in Rockland. His parents were listed as Copeland Zuber born PA and Hannah Hess born PA. The information was provided by William's wife Rebecca Snyder daughter of Daniel Snyder and Esther Hess. Does anyone have any information about Copeland and Hannah, or Daniel and Esther? I have been unable to locate Copeland and Hannah on the censuses. I am wondering if Hannah and Esther were related. Any info greatly appreciated. Thanks, Audrie