In a message dated 3/28/03 10:38:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << i, I have a Julia Hartzell born in 1848 to George and Charlotte Hartzell in Beaver County. I have a rundown on their ancestry back to the immigrant, Ulrich. Brian >> Brian, this is my Julia. I just received her death cert and it says her father was George and mother Charlotte STAMM both born in Beaver Co. Can you send me your info? Julia married my gggrandfather David K. ESTE in 11/27/1867. thanks, cindy este loy