In a message dated 3/27/03 10:31:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Hartzell: John Hartzell, b. 1818, son of George and Catherine (Krohn) Hartzell. Married 1839 to Dorothea Knauff. Had nine children but no Julia. Let me know if you want full details. Carol in AZ >> Thanks, Carol but not the right ones. I just received Julia's death certificate, her father was George HARTZEL (HARTZELL) and her mother was Charlotte STAMM, both were born in Beaver Co. If you have any info on them I'd appreciate it. cindy este loy