I would be interested if anyone has any information on a bakery that was operated in Rochester, PA. It was called the Karcher Brother's bakery located at 126 Water St. My Great Grandfather Heinrich (Henry) bought the bakery in 1883 from the Karchers according to the Rochester Semi-Centennial Souvenir Book. I don't know if Henry kept the Karcher name or even when he closed the bakery. I haven't yet found any pictures of the area that would show the bakery. So, I would be interested if anyone in their Rochester research runs across anything. Also looking for a bread token that they must have used. I keep thinking I should be able to run across them in an antique shop in the area. Appreciate any help. Hal Lieder hlieder@aol.com Researching Lieder, Figley, Wiegand, Means, Pim, Barrie/Berry, Notman and Hohage

Hi y'all, I have a great big favor to ask of y'all. My "adopted" daughters, from Philadelphia, the country duo called "The Kinleys", have been nominated for 2 great country music awards. If each of you would cast your vote for "Vocal Duo Or Group" - The Kinleys and "Female Star of Tomorrow" - The Kinleys, it would mean so much to me... These girls are wonderful and if you haven't heard their music, you're really missing great harmony from two young beautiful singers. If anyone objects to this posting, please flame me privately and not to the entire board. You can reach the TNN Music City Awards page by clicking below: <http://www.country.com/contest/cgi/form/mcn-semi.cgi> Thanks, y'all and happy rooting. Patti Caldwell Fasy <impattic@mediaone.net>

Hi, Here’s another try at my latest plea for help. I’m sorry this is a long one. I’ve mentioned before that I’m trying to sort out the George Hertzels of Pennsylvania to find the father of my proven ancestor, George Hartzel (1812 or 1813-1892) of Beaver County, Pa. Here’s the information I have. Perhaps someone can lead my in the right direction or point out any missteps I’ve made. I’m trying to establish the link through primary sources because there is silence (or confusion) about my George in past research. I’ll outline the two Georges I’ve focused on and explain my reasoning. My research on the Hartzel family has just begun so there are some obvious gaps that might be filled as my research progresses. Perhaps someone can give me some tips here. I know my George Hartzel from Beaver County was the son of another George, who died at age 80 in 1850. An old history of Butler County says he was the son of George Hertzel and Catharine Kron/Cron/Krohen, who came from eastern Pennsylvania. This would presumably be the same George Hertzel (1769-?) and Catharine Kron who appear in Montgomery County records. However, Charles H. Price Jr.’s “A Hartzell-Price Family History and Genealogy” (1971) doesn’t list him among the children of that couple. But I see other problems in Price’s list, which I’ll outline later. You’ll notice that my footnotes on George “the elder” are almost as long as the biographical sketch. I try to raise most of my questions about sources in the footnotes. I have so many questions in that generation because I haven’t found a solid primary source that links the George in Montgomery County to the George in Beaver County. However, the circumstantial evidence is pretty good. My George II was 80 years old in 1850, had a wife named Catharine, had sons named Michael and George. The Montgomery County George fits all of these criteria. In addition, secondary sources say both Georges had wives named Catharine Cron, Kron or Krohen. The only thing lacking in the link so far is mention in Montgomery County of the other children attributed to the Beaver County George. Since I have just begun my research, these may turn up soon. These matters are crucial because the entire link to the Montgomery County Hertzels (Ulrich and George “the first”) depends on the generation in question. I realize this gets confusing. I even “contradict” myself when trying to look at the arguments from all sides. I’m sorry about that. If I can’t find the primary sources, I have to rely on interpretation - and that’s when it gets nasty. Brian Bowers GEORGE and CATHARINE HERTZEL (2) George Hertzel lived in Beaver County in the mid-1800s. Although I am still searching for conclusive evidence, he was probably the George Hertzel who was born June 12, 1769 in Montgomery County, Pa., to Georg Hertzel. In the baptismal record he is listed as Joh. Georgus – a Latinized version of the name Johann Georg. (1) Married Catharine. (2) Children: (3) George, born about 1813. Jacob. John, born about 1818. (Possibly the following, too. See below.) Michael. Betsey. Catharine. Hannah. Sarah. Maria. Two separate accounts of George have come down to us in “Genealogical and Personal History of Beaver County, Pa.” The work, which was published in 1914, focuses on later generations but mentions George as progenitor of the Hartzel clan in Beaver County. The accounts contain several obvious errors and vary from each other. However, since they may hold a glimmer of truth, I’ll include them. (4) “George Hartzel, who was born in Lehigh township, Lehigh county, Pennsylvania, traveled by wagon, in 1751 to the western part of the state, and settled in Marion township, Beaver county, where he was one of the earliest settlers. He purchased a large tract of land which he cleared for farming purposes, and spend the remainder of his life there. He was a member of the German Reformed Church, and a man on influence in the community. He married Katherine Krohen, and had children: George, Jacob, John, see forward, and six daughters.” In this passage, the date of migration is obviously incorrect since he would have been well over 100 years old when he died in 1850 and also because the area wasn’t settled by white men at all until much later. “George Hartzel was born in Bucks county, Pennsylvania, and removed to Marion township, Beaver county, Pennsylvania, about 1830. He located on a farm which is now know as the Michael Young farm, where he cleared the land and prepared it for farming purposes. He died at Brush Creek, Cranberry township, Butler county, Pennsylvania, while living with a daughter. He married Catherine Cron, born in Germany, and they had children: George, John, see forward; Jacob, Michael, Betsey, Catherine, Hannah, Sarah, Maria.” The second item appears to be more reliable, if only because of the migration date. Both items then go on to describe George’s son John. It’s hard to believe that such divergent biographical sketches focus on the same individual and appear in the same book. However, such “histories” were compiled simply to satisfy the person who paid to have his ancestors recognized on their pages. If the Montgomery County George and the Beaver County George are the same man, my George was one of the last slave-owners in Montgomery County, Pa. In 1795, George inherited a “negro man” named Cuff for four years and he was to pay him 3 pounds a year. In addition, he inherited as “negro woman” named Betsey. (5) After arriving in western Pennsylvania, the family probably worshipped at a Reformed church near Zelienople in Butler County. A Georg Herzel appears as a baptismal sponsor at the German church in 1825. This is probably our George because no others appear in the area’s census records around this time. He was the sponsor for Johannes, son of Magdalena Herzel and Jakob Kugger on Sept. 11, 1825. The child was born March 22, 1822. (The birth of a Heinrich, son of Magdalene Herzel and Jakob COPPER is recorded for Jan. 17, 1826. Possibly the same parents as the previous listing.) A “Miss Cath. Herzel” also served as a sponsor in 1825. Finally, Elizabeth Herzel, wife of Carl Goehring, appears as the mother of Elizabeth, born Nov. 9, 1824. Elizabeth (Betsey) and Catharine would correspond with the names listed in the Beaver County history. Magdalena is likely the formal name for the Mary listed in the history. Mary was a common nickname for other Magdalenas. A thorough check of this church book will prove helpful. (6) The 1840 Census shows George Heartsel working as a farmer in North Sewickley Township, Beaver County. His household included only him and a woman between the ages of 60 and 70, presumably Catharine. George died at age 80 in March 1850 in Butler County. The cause of death was listed as “decline.” (7) (1) This is the weak link in my Hertzel chain. I have just started my research on this generation and I have not found a document saying that the George listed in Montgomery County records is the same one who appears in Beaver County records; however, the evidence points in that direction. I can’t stress enough that this link is still tentative. The birth date I have listed is from “A History of the Goshenhoppen Reformed Charge, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania (1727-1819),” page 389. The date corresponds well with our George’s age at death (80 years old in March 1850). Also, secondary sources list the Montgomery County George’s wife as Catharine Kron or Cron, which is the same name given in other secondary sources for our George’s wife. We know for certain that our George’s wife was named Catharine because of the deed mentioned later. I have not found a primary source listing our Catharine’s maiden name. An “argument from silence” on behalf of my link of the Montgomery and Beaver County Georges is a lack of a will or death records for the Montgomery man. This George is listed as “George Hertzel, Esquire” in land records so it would seem unlikely that a man in tune with legalities would “disappear” without a will or a deed that divided his land among his heirs. In fact the latest deed I found in a quick check of Montgomery County records relating to this George Hertzel, showed “George Hartzel, Esquire,” Michael Hartzel and his wife Catharine and “George Hartzel the younger” selling land. Both Michael and George are identified as sons in the second biographical sketch in the (admitted sketchy) Beaver County history. In addition to his birth record, Montgomery’s George Hertzel “Esquire” is definitively linked to the eldest George (1733-1795) in Montgomery County Deed Book 17, page 327. (2) George’s wife listed as Catharine in land transaction in Beaver County, Pa., Deed Book 54, page 274. “Genealogical and Personal History of Beaver County, Pa.,” pages 444 and 579, say her maiden name was Cron or Krohen. (3) George Jr. listed in Beaver County Deed Book 54, page 274. The remaining children are listed in “Genealogical and Personal History of Beaver County, Pa.,” pages 444 and 579. However, this source offers conflicting accounts of the children and some other aspects of George’s life. “A Hartzell-Price Family History and Genealogy,” Charles H. Price Jr. lists George Sr.’s children as: Nancy, born 1807; Mark, born 1808; George, born 1809; Elizabeth, born 1811; Davis, born 1815; Philip, born 1820; and John, born 1822. Price fails to mention the Michael identified in the deed mentioned above, indicating at least a gap in his information. Price did not indicate a primary source for this information. Of course, it must be remembered that Price and I might be discussing two different men. Whether one or two men are involved here, further research is obviously needed to sort out all these children. However, we can be confident about George Jr.’s link to the Beaver County man. We can also be fairly certain about his link to John and Jacob because both men appear near George Sr. in the 1840 Census of North Sewickley Township. (4) The first account is on page 444 and the second is on page 579. (5) “Abstracts of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, Wills & Administrations 1784-1823” by Ellwood Roberts, pages 81 and 82. (6) The photocopies of the church book pages were provided by the Zelienople Historical Society without source notes. (7) “Pennsylvania 1850 Mortality,” page 130. GEORGE and CHARLOTTE HARTZELL George Hartzell was born about 1813 in Pennsylvania to George and Catharine Hartzell. (1) Married Charlotte Stamm, who was born about 1816 in Pennsylvania. Her parents were John C. and Catharine Stamm. (2) Children: (3) Catharine, born 1836. Married Jacob Baier. Sophia, born 1838. Married Alford S. Powl. Mary A. or Marian, born 1840. Wife of Phillip Broman. Lewis H. or Louis, born 1842. Harriet, born Feb. 24, 1844. Married Michael P. Nye. William C. or Christy, born 1845 or 1846. Julia A. or Juliana, born 1848. Lilian Emilia or Emma, born 1850. Married Lewis Este. Charlotte Melissa, born 1854. Married Lewis Daufen. Frederick A., born 1858. Allis Barbara. Married Theodore Yahn. Henriette. Married Henry Ketterer. George. Probably died young. George was a farmer in Marion Township, Beaver County, Pa., according to census records. He served on Beaver County's committee of safety appointed at the beginning of the Civil War. He was also one of six men appointed to make sure families of soldiers from Marion Township were cared for during the war. (5) The Harzells may have worshipped as Burres Church in New Sewickley Township because George’s will stipulates that he be buried in that church’s cemetery “according to the rites and ceremonies of the said church.” When George wrote his will on Jan. 29, 1885, he did not mention Lewis, Julia or George, possibly an indication that each had died before that date. George died Oct. 13, 1892. (6) (1) The 1850 Census of Marion Township, Beaver County, Pa., says he was 37 while the 1860 Census of the same township says he was 48. The link to his parents is established in Beaver County Deed Book 54, page 274, a deed mentioning a land transaction between George Hertzel Sr. to George Hertzel Jr. George Sr.’s wife is listed as Catharine. The land was next to Michael Nye and the 1850 Census shows our George living next door to Ann Nye, the widow of Michael. This Michael was the grandfather of Michael P. Nye, who married Harriet Hartzell. (2) Date and place come from 1850 Census. Parents are named in John C. Stamm's will in Beaver County Will Book D, page 333. (3) 1850 Census, 1860 Census and George’s will in Beaver County Will Book I, page 323. Some names are listed differently in the sources. George Jr. is not listed in census records in 1850 or 1860 and is not mentioned in his father’s will. However, our George is listed as George Hartzell Sr. in the will, his death listing in the Register’s Docket and the 1860 census. Women’s spouses listed in will. (4) "History of Beaver County, Pa.,'' page 802. (5) ``History of Beaver County, Pa.,'' page 302. (6) Beaver County Register’s Docket No. 6, page 381. Listed as George Hartzell Sr. of Marion Township, executor was Frederick A. Hartzell. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I received a wonderful Christmas present from the National Archives in Washington, DC. It was the complete pension file for my great great grandfather, who died in the Civil War. Included were his marriage certificate, the marriage certificate for his widow's remarriage, the appointment of a guardian for his five minor children, various affadavits from doctors, friends, and ministers who were present at the birth of said children or the marriage, documents concerning his death which gave the cause of death and name of the hospital where he died. His widow was granted a pension of $8 a month for ten years, with an additional $2 for each minor child. To get this information I had sent off a NATF Form 80, which I had requested by email from inquire@nara.gov. They accept credit cards. You can get information about the National Archives services at http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/genindex.html The following is exerpted from their website: ************************************************** To obtain Civil War military service and pension records by mail Paper copies of Civil War military service and pension records can be ordered by mail using one NATF Form 80 for each soldier and each type of file. You can obtain the NATF Form 80 by providing your name and mailing address to inquire@nara.gov. Be sure to specify "Form 80" and the number of forms you need. You can also obtain the NATF Form 80 by writing to: National Archives and Records Administration, Attn: NWDT1, 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408-0001. ********************************************** -- -- Marilyn Mills Hesse mmhesse@snet.net Windsor, Connecticut, USA Researching: HAMILTON/McQUISTON/MILLS/MOORE - in Pennsylvania (Crawford Co.& Mercer Co.);N.Ireland;Liverpool,UK CRAIGHEAD/LYNCH/MOODY/ROBINSON - in PA (Beaver Co) and N. Ireland DENNIS/WILLIAMS - in PA (Crawford Co and Bucks Co) and New Jersey BRENNER/GLASS/HESSE/MUELLER - in Louisville, KY and Germany

Since I am unable to post to your county list directly, may I ask you the favor of forwarding the following to your list? I believe that those who are on your county list may benefit by knowing of these upcoming programs. Who hasn't had a field trip to the Carnegie Library, or at least wanted to? If you find yourself unable to forward this message, please do let me know. I sincerely appreciate your help in this matter. Elissa Scalise Powell, CGRS Program Chair, WPGS ESPowell@juno.com ----------------------------- I would like to invite you to attend the Western Pennsylvania Genealogical Society meetings held as follows. All regular meetings are free and open to the public at the Carnegie Lecture Hall, 4400 Forbes Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15213. Reservations are not needed. The Carnegie Library and Museums are open on Saturdays from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. For more information call 412-687-6811 or visit our website: www.clpgh.org/clp/Pennsylvania/wpgs.html Saturday, January 9, 1999, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m., Carnegie Lecture Hall. Repository and Resource Day. Learn about what types of records are in research facilities right under our noses! See how you can utilize the information tucked away in the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Library, the Darlington Library, the Hillman Library and the Carnegie Library, all located in Oakland. Each librarian/archivist will give us an overview of their holdings and what types of records they have that are of interest to genealogists. To learn more about military records, fraternal organizations, company records, railroad records, church records, coroner's and other government records, census, and other surprises, please feel free to join us. The morning joint presentation will be made by Debbie Rougeux, the reference archivist and cataloguer for the Hillman Archives and Darlington Library, and Dominic LaCava, the Associate Curator for the Archives of Industrial Society. The first afternoon lecture will be from Dr. Richard Sauers, the Museum Curator for the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Library. Dr. Sauers is a Civil War expert with more than 20 published books to his name. The second afternoon lecturer will be Marilyn Holt, Head of the Pennsylvania Department of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh, and President of WPGS. Saturday February 13, 1999, 10 a.m. to 12:30 p.m., Carnegie Lecture Hall. Ronald E. Grim of the Library of Congress, Maps Division will present: Getting Started: How Can Maps Help Me in Genealogical Research? This is an introduction to how maps can help you locate your family. The second lecture is Using Maps to Document German Immigration and Settlement in North America. Saturday, March 13, 1999, 10 a.m., Historical Society of Western PA, 1212 Smallman Street, Pittsburgh. Research day. Last year the overwhelming interest in visiting this library warrants another look. For those of you who have been meaning to visit, mark this day on your calendar! Saturday, April 10, 1999, 10 a.m., Carnegie Lecture Hall. Cemetery Day. This will be an informative day of how to best utilize the information from cemeteries, funeral homes and gravestones. Learn how the dead can still speak to us & how we can all preserve their memories. May 12 to 15, 1999, National Genealogical Society Conference in Richmond, VA. Come and meet other WPGS members in Virginia. Friday and Saturday, June 25 and 26, 1999. Sheraton, Station Square, Pittsburgh, PA. WPGS 25th anniversary conference with Henry Z Jones, Jr. as the keynote speaker. Cyndi Howells of (www.CyndisList.com) and John Humphrey also will be speaking among others. Riverboat banquet honoring our first members of the First Families of Western Pennsylvania lineage program. WPGS members will see a conference brochure in their February JOTS newsletter. Non-members can send a SASE for more information to WPGS, 25th Anniversary Conference, 4400 Forbes Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15213.

One of my New Year's resolutions is to find out more about my ancestor Archibald Campbell, his parents, his wives, and his children. According to a county history, Archibald CAMPBELL was from County Ulster, Ireland, where he married and raised a family. Around 1799/1800, he came to the U.S. and settled in Robinson Township, Washington County, PA. He married a widow named Elizabeth FLETCHER SCOTT. On the 1810 Washington County census, Archibald appears with four children under ten years old--two boys and two girls. His sons' were Samuel (who was a law student and died young) and Josiah S. His daughters' names are not known. Archibald died around 1811 and was buried in Raccoon Presbyterian Cemetery in Candor, PA. Archibald's son, Josiah, was born 16 Apr 1806 in Robinson Township. He became a carpenter. Sometime around 1830, he moved to Frankfort Springs in Beaver County, PA and married Rosanna TEEL, daughter of John TEEL and Catherine VANDERMARK. They had the following children -- Catherine BUTZ (b. 1829), Elizabeth ANDERSON (b. abt. 1830, moved to Mansfield, PA), Samuel (b. 24 Feb 1831), James (b. abt. 1834, undertaker in Galion, Crawford County, OH), Josiah John (b. abt 1837, married Cynthia VANCE, moved to Memphis, TN.), Stephen S. Morris (b. abt. 1843, mechanic in Paducah, KY), Thomas Fletcher (b. abt. 1845, Killed in Civil War, 1864), Nancy A. (b. abt. 1847), Mary A., and Margaret. Josiah died 10 Dec 1858 and was buried in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Frankfort Springs. Josiah's son, Samuel, also a carpenter, married Jane VANCE 14 Mar 1855. Jane was the daughter of William Patterson VANCE and Mary STEPHENSON of Smith Township, Washington County, PA. During the Civil War, Samuel was Captain of Company H, 140th PA Volunteer Infantry. He was seriously wounded at Gettyburg and again at Petersburg. He returned home and moved his family to a farm in Hanover Township, Washington County, PA, living there until his death on 8 Mar 1887. Samuel and Jane had the following children: William, Samuel "Fred" (b. 27 Apr 1860), Anna Mary HANLIN (b. abt. 1865), Thomas Fletcher (b. abt. 1868), and Joseph Vance (b. abt. 1878). Although son William moved to Pittsburgh and Anna Mary moved to Irondale, Columbiana County, OH, the rest of the family stayed and farmed in the Hanover Township area. Any information about these Campbell families will be greatly appreciated. Diane

Can't remember if I've signed on with this group or not - but think I did. I am searching for my grandfather, RICHARD LOUIS HOWE b. New Brighton, Beaver Co., PA to BERTHA B. (BOGGS) and RICHARD CHASE "REX" HOWE. Richard Louis married LOIS SCHEAFNOCKER 27 Nov 1920 in Butler Co., PA. According to the marriage application Richard was born 1898; HOWEVER, according to the census records he was born 1902. Richard Louis had an older sister, Mary A., b. 1893 who operated a dance studio in New Brighton in 1928. Richard Louis and Lois were divorced in Pittsburgh in 1924/5. Would love to know if he married again, had more children, etc. His ancestors John HOWE and MARGARET MANSARD emigrated from England in 1832. Until at least 1929 this HOWE family appears to have stayed in and around New Brighton yet I can't find a burial for any of them!!! kCan anybody help? DSwart6407@aol.com

Lots of Banes in Washington Co at early date. One of my relatives married a Cephus or Cephas Bane. Just a thought. Marcia ---------- From: Mjmartens@aol.com To: PABEAVER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PABEAVER-L] Surname Bain Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 9:32 AM Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone was researching the surname Bain or it's various spellings in Beaver Co. or surrounding counties. There is a young boy named Milton Bain living with my Lumm line in 1850. I suspect that could be the maiden name of Mr. Lumm's wife. Any ideas who this boy may belong to? Michelle ==== PABEAVER Mailing List ==== To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: mailto:impattic@mediaone.net remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........

Hi Deborah, I have a book titled - Simon, Peter and Polly 1775-1825 A Chronicle of MALOTT and GIRTY Families By Madeline Hilborn Malott of Kingsville, Ontario, Canada 1994 ISBN 0-9698158-0-8 A map on page 51 shows Ft. Redstone on the Monogahela River south of Fort Pitt. A footnote on page 53 says: "Ft. Redstone, sometimes named Redstone Old Fort, existed as a place of defense after settlements began -- it was a kind of government fort, for the storage of ammunition and suppies, guarded by soldiers, its proper name after 1759 was Fort Burd, but this name was seldom used. Closest to the site today is Brownsville, PA." My wife's ancestor Peter MALOTT and family traveled by trail from Washington Co., MD to Fort Redstone in 1779. They wintered there and obtained flatboats for a journey on the Ohio River to KY which began in March 1780. The party of settlers was attacked by Native Americans along the Ohio River. Some were killed in the fighting, some captured, and some escaped and returned to Maryland. Some of the MALOTTs that were captured eventually made their way to Essex Co., Ontario, Canada where many descendants still reside. Regards from your neighbor, Gary R. Tafini gtafini@tir.com Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA -----Original Message----- From: D3lita@aol.com <D3lita@aol.com> To: PABEAVER-L@rootsweb.com <PABEAVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 6:17 PM Subject: [PABEAVER-L] Redstone? >Hi: > >I am researching a group of four brothers and their brother-in-law who >emmigrated to Columbiana Co, Oh 1804-1807. Their names were William, James, >Jeremiah and Jesse Callahan and their Brother-in-law, Elias Adgate. An old >history of Columbiana Co, described them as coming from "Redstone, >Pennsylvania". An old gazette shows two Redstones, one in Fayette Co and one >in Beaver Co. I cannot find any current map listing in Beaver co. Does >anyone know if there was a Redstone in this county? Where was it? Has anyone >heard of this family? Thanks. > >Deborah >Ann Arbor, MI >

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone was researching the surname Bain or it's various spellings in Beaver Co. or surrounding counties. There is a young boy named Milton Bain living with my Lumm line in 1850. I suspect that could be the maiden name of Mr. Lumm's wife. Any ideas who this boy may belong to? Michelle

D3lita@aol.com wrote: An old > history of Columbiana Co, described them as coming from "Redstone, > Pennsylvania". An old gazette shows two Redstones, one in Fayette Co and one > in Beaver Co. I cannot find any current map listing in Beaver co. Does > anyone know if there was a Redstone in this county? Where was it? > > Deborah > Ann Arbor, MI > In Bausman's 1904 book "History of Beaver County, PA" Vol. 1 pages 439 and 444. This is the section about the Religious History - Presbyterianism. On page 439 it talks about the "Presbytery of Redstone, the first Presbytery organized west of the Alleghenies and became the mother of all the rest of them were afterwards erected in this region"....."it reached from the summit of the Allegheny Mountains to the then farthest western border of civilization" On page 444, "Their field of labor being the same as that of the early Presbyterians, -----viz., in the "Redstone Settlement," the first Methodist "circuit" topok its name from that settlement as did the first presbytery. and was called the "Redstone Circuit"" In a note at the bottom of the page " The expression "Redstone Settlement" then and for many years afterwards, was employed to denote most of the country, whether claimed by PA or VA which lay west of the mountains. It derived its origin from the name of a creek which enters the Monongahela below Brownsville. This place was long known by the name of "Redstone Old Fort."---See Old Redstone, page 311, note." I do not have any information on the source Old Redstone referred to. Many other on the list would have knowledge of this source. Phil Holm

Hi: I am researching a group of four brothers and their brother-in-law who emmigrated to Columbiana Co, Oh 1804-1807. Their names were William, James, Jeremiah and Jesse Callahan and their Brother-in-law, Elias Adgate. An old history of Columbiana Co, described them as coming from "Redstone, Pennsylvania". An old gazette shows two Redstones, one in Fayette Co and one in Beaver Co. I cannot find any current map listing in Beaver co. Does anyone know if there was a Redstone in this county? Where was it? Has anyone heard of this family? Thanks. Deborah Ann Arbor, MI

To all the list members. My desire for you is the very best holiday season. May it bring goodness and a purpose of living. May the new year start a journey of joy that will be yours, all the days of your life. Clif Hinds

Hi All, I have a John Smith b.September 08, 1846 in Beaver Co who m.September 06, 1868 to Samilda Wallace b.July 1851. Children: Margaret March 14, 1870 James D December 25, 1871 m.Hannah Gordon Harry August 28, 1872 Albert Ross August 27, 1874 Howard Alonzo November 22, 1876 William Carl May 14, 1880 m.Katherine Leona Pearl July 04, 1884 Cora Della September 06, 1868 m.Joseph Herbert Anybody have a connection to any of these ? Bob Wallace in IL

I have a William QUINN married Sina Bell BLACKWOOD (b. 1928) Happy Holidays, Lynn unicrnhorn@aol.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_914108004_boundary Content-ID: <0_914108004@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII << In the 1910 census for North Sewickly Twp., Beaver Co. PA Thomas HOLLINBACK and Susan QUINN HOLLINBACK are listed and six of their children: Isabell, Mary, Lawrence, Madge, William and Dora. Susan QUINN HOLLINBACK is the sister of my grandfather John QUINN b. 1879 d. 1972. He resided in Beaverfalls, Beaver Co., Ellwood City and New Castle in Lawrence Co. and Portersville in Butler Co. PA. Any information of these names would be appreciated. Marilyn Dicks MDicks5999@aol.com >> --part0_914108004_boundary Content-ID: <0_914108004@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MDicks5999@aol.com Return-path: <MDicks5999@aol.com> To: pabeaver-l-request@rootsweb.com Cc: palawren-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Quinn/ Hollinback Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:16:13 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In the 1910 census for North Sewickly Twp., Beaver Co. PA Thomas HOLLINBACK and Susan QUINN HOLLINBACK are listed and six of their children: Isabell, Mary, Lawrence, Madge, William and Dora. Susan QUINN HOLLINBACK is the sister of my grandfather John QUINN b. 1879 d. 1972. He resided in Beaverfalls, Beaver Co., Ellwood City and New Castle in Lawrence Co. and Portersville in Butler Co. PA. Any information of these names would be appreciated. Marilyn Dicks MDicks5999@aol.com --part0_914108004_boundary--

I got your message Lisa. I have a William Smith from Beaver County in my family background who married an Amanda Trover Harton. One of their daughters was named Effie. Since you have a William with a sister Effie, I thought maybe we have a match, can you give me more info on your william? Jarrod On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Lisa Birnesser wrote: > I am compiling a database of all descendents or ancestors of Calvin Curtis > Smith and Jane Taylor Smith. Calvin Curtis Smith emigrated from Wales and > lived in South Beaver Township, Beaver Co.,PA.Below is a brief summary of > the genealogical data > for the first generation in America. Does any information below sound > familiar? If so, please reply via e-mail. Thank you for your time and > interest in my quest to complete the tree! > > Lisa Birnesser, Gg-granddaughter of Calvin Curtis and Jane Taylor Smith > > Descendants of Calvin Curtis Smith > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. CALVIN CURTIS1 SMITH. He married JANE TAYLOR. > > More About CALVIN CURTIS SMITH: > > Emigration: Wales > > Occupation: Potato Farmer > > Residence: South Beaver and Chippewa, PA > > > Children of CALVIN SMITH and JANE TAYLOR are: > > 2. i. EFFIE2 SMITH, b. June 27, 1878; d. July 25, 1966, New Brighton, PA. > > ii. WILLIAM SMITH. > > 3. iii. JAMES EDSON SMITH, d. August 31, 1957. > > 4. iv. HARVEY SMITH, d. December 11, 1975. > > v. EDNA SMITH, d. 1973; m. (1) ?CHILDS; m. (2) EDWARD WILLIAMS. > > vi. BEULAH SMITH. > > > > > > RESEARCHING BIRNESSER, HORSTMANN, KESSLER SMITH, ALLISON, RHEIN, KENNY, > BROWN, WARD, ACKERMAN, > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABEAVER Mailing List ==== > To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net > remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > > > > > > > >

I am compiling a database of all descendents or ancestors of Calvin Curtis Smith and Jane Taylor Smith. Calvin Curtis Smith emigrated from Wales and lived in South Beaver Township, Beaver Co.,PA.Below is a brief summary of the genealogical data for the first generation in America. Does any information below sound familiar? If so, please reply via e-mail. Thank you for your time and interest in my quest to complete the tree! Lisa Birnesser, Gg-granddaughter of Calvin Curtis and Jane Taylor Smith Descendants of Calvin Curtis Smith Generation No. 1 1. CALVIN CURTIS1 SMITH. He married JANE TAYLOR. More About CALVIN CURTIS SMITH: Emigration: Wales Occupation: Potato Farmer Residence: South Beaver and Chippewa, PA Children of CALVIN SMITH and JANE TAYLOR are: 2. i. EFFIE2 SMITH, b. June 27, 1878; d. July 25, 1966, New Brighton, PA. ii. WILLIAM SMITH. 3. iii. JAMES EDSON SMITH, d. August 31, 1957. 4. iv. HARVEY SMITH, d. December 11, 1975. v. EDNA SMITH, d. 1973; m. (1) ?CHILDS; m. (2) EDWARD WILLIAMS. vi. BEULAH SMITH. RESEARCHING BIRNESSER, HORSTMANN, KESSLER SMITH, ALLISON, RHEIN, KENNY, BROWN, WARD, ACKERMAN,

Looking for information concerning burials in small cemetery across street from St. Mathew's Lutheran Church, Wall Rose. Have written church and others seeking records but no answer from anyone. Have included SASE and offer to pay but no results. Any help appreciated.

> As the holiday season comes upon us, I am reflecting on how things are >different from when we were children. > > One of the most obvious can be illustrated by what we can expect to >happen. > > When we were children and lost a tooth. We put it under the pillow. >Some time during the night, the "Tooth Fairy" would come along and leave us >money. > > Now the holidays are here and the things we enjoy most have changed. >Now we can expect to eat a good meal and later to bed. Then the magic >occurs. Sometime during the night the "Fat Fairy" comes by and throws on >an extra five pounds. > > At any rate, from the HINDS house to yours, may this be a very good >holiday season, and have the best year yet. > > Clif Hinds at hindsclif@mindspring.com >