Hi Fred: Thanks for the reply. I sure would like to look into the possibilities. In addition to Martin below: CRAMER, Martin VanBuren b. 1841 d. 1911 I think Armstrong CRAMER, William Henry Harrison b. 1868 d 12-23-1937 I know Armstrong CRAMER, William Martin b. 8-6-1909 d. 10-2-1970 I know Armstrong. William H had a farm in Vandergrift when my father William M. was born. William H. supposedly was born in Ohio, lived and worked in Birdville (Natrona Heights), Apollo, Oakmont, etc. I had some uncles that lived in Murrysville, Natrona Heights and Oakmont. I don't know much, if anything, about most of the siblings of the three (3) older Cramers as yet, other than some names and a few b & d dates but would love to explore any and all. Thanks again if that's possible. Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com -----Original Message----- From: Fred H. Held <fhheld@freewwweb.com> To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com <PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com>; Bob Cramer <kathybob@erols.com> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 4:24 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Cramers in Armstrong Co >>Hello: Would very much appreciate an 1820 census lookup on my >>ggggrandfather, CRAMER, Martin, b. 1811. >>That's the sum total of all my information on him, no parents, siblings, >>etc. Not positive he was in Armstrong Co. at the time of the census, or if >>he would be listed as he would have been less than 10. >> > >Don't know about other Cramers, but there are Cramers still in the area. My >cousins Hal C. and David W. Cramer are around somewhere. Could be related. >Did live in the Apollo/Spring Church area once. > >Fred Held > > > >==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > > >