Robert, I don't know if this is a connection or not, but I am looking for a Sadie KRAMER (I have only heard the name, never seen it in print, and this is what the people who told me said the spelling was). She was from somewhere near the Armstrong County area, but may possibly have been from Pittsburgh. She married Edward Patrick QUINN. Apparently, they led a pretty wild life and moved around a lot. I don't have any hard info on either of them. If you come across Sadie (probably Sarah on official records) could you let me know? Patti Garcia By the way, I thought it was a pretty good first post--good information for people to try to make connections.