Can't remember who is researching Doutt, but thought you might be interested in this: 1900 ELK COUNTY, PA CENSUS HORTON TOWNSHIP 121 John Doutt head born April 1877 23 yrs old Nellie wife born April 1886 20 Emmalize? mother born April 1839 aged 61 Earl son born May 1900 2/12 ? (Very hard to read) 125 Absolom Doutt head born Mar 1862 aged 38 Mira wife born Nov 1859 aged 40 Olive P. daugh born June 1884 aged 15 Merty B. daugh born Oct 1886 aged 13 Darly E. (?) daugh born July 1892 aged 7 This must be part of your Doutt family. Sherry Jesberger gljslj@penn.com

I have located a Philip L. Smith in the Brick Church Cemetery(St. Michaels). He was born 1/28/1839 and died 6/23/1914. You mention A.S. Doutt's pension papers. Was he a civil war veteran from Armstrong County? If so, he has never been credited with service from this County. If he served from Armstrong County in any era please advise so I may update my military service records.

Hi Fred. I'm fairly new to this Ancester chase and I've noticed that you have been doing a lot of lookups for people from various reference material. Could I ask you where you got the information for the Oakland Cemetery? I have a LOT of relatives buried in that Cemetery, CRAMER, MICHILINE, CLEMENS, Etc. I would be interested in obtaining the book or whatever information for myself. Can you tell me where if it is still available? Thanks for your time, Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com -----Original Message----- From: Brients@aol.com <Brients@aol.com> To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com <PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] William D. JONES >There is an M. D. Jones in the Oakland Cemetery, no date of birth and no date >of death. He was a Civil War Veteran and served in the 56th. Ohio Infantry. >Perhaps this is actually William D.? >Fred Brient > > >==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > > >

Arthur Cravener wrote: > > I'm new to genealogy. > > Something I'm puzzled about is why some change the > spelling of their surnames. Part of the answer is the the Census data from 1850 on. In these Census the interviewer recorded whether persons could read or write, ergo the incident at best attempts to spelling but nonetheless ones that produce changes. One family I know is Lawhorn. The Welsh spelling is Laugharn and pronounced as Laaaaaarrnnnn, almost a genuine southern drawl. But since first coming to this country in the 1700's the name variations have been in Virginia, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Tennessee are Lanhorn, Lowhorn, Lawhern, etc. Brian Green

Is anyone out there working on the Sollada or Soliday family? I am not related, but I ran across a cemetery in Clearfield Co., PA today while I was having an adventure that had a Samuel T. Sollada, born 1850 died 1926. His wife was Nettie R. 1855-1926. I hope to get back in the spring to document this cemetery if anyone is interested in this info. Sherry Jesberger gljslj@penn.com

Send me your address and I will send you a copy. It happens to be the only index I have which is loose and not in a book form. You will have to suffer all the markings for my Rearick and Burkett ancestors but everything is readable. Fred Brients@aol.com

Ted, I, too, am looking for a Jones family that has been eluding me. All I know about them is the following: A David and Emma JONES were the parents of Marie JONES. On July 19, 1899, she married Harry E. J. PUTNEY, most likely in Kittanning. She had four children: Jean (who may have been Harriet E. Jean) David Judson (listed on the 1910 census as Judeth) Madge M. Frances C. She died sometime between 1918 and 1920. Harry E. J. departed for places unknown. I have census records on order to try to find out more about David and Emma, but haven't received them yet. If you have these JONES in your family tree, I could sure use the help! Also, how do I go about getting a marriage record for this pair, or a death certificate for Marie? I am pretty sure both events occurred in Kittanning, but don't have a way to verify that. The other possibility I know of might be Putneyville for the marriage, since many family members lived there. If they were married wherever she was from, then I have no idea where the marriage occurred. Thanks, Patti Garcia At 07:05 AM 2/6/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi to all, > >It's been awhile since I have posted here since genealogy research to a >back seat for a bit. At any rate, I am still in search of information on my >gggrandfather (William D. JONES). > >William D. JONES was born JAN 10, 1845 in Minersville, Meigs County, Ohio >and died NOV 16, 1877 in Oakland (now Distant), Armstrong County, >Pennsylvania. According to the Census' that I have found him in he appears >to have been a "coal digger". I believe he may have worked around the >furnaces. He was in Mahoning Furnace around 1869 and then went to Mansfield >(now Carnagie) Allegheny County, PA. and then seemed to return to Armstrong >County locating in Pine Creek Furnace in 1870. Sometime between 1870 and >1872 he returned to Mahoning Furnace and then by 1874 he located to Oakland >(now Distant). > >He was married to Margaret Jane BOWSER prob. abt. 1868. I have had no luck >finding their burial place. >============================================================== >I multi-task! I read in the bathroom ;,) > >Ted W. Jones >P.O. Box 246 >North East, Pennsylvania 16428 >Fax - (814) 725-7358 > >Personal E-Mail - tjones@erie.net >Personal home page - http://www.erie.net/~tjones >Business E-Mail - tjones@lakeside.net >Business home page - http://www.lakeside.net > > >==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com >Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com >In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe >(Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > >

There are no Henry Millers recorded in the South Bend Cemetery. There are two Marys. One is Mary A. born 1823 died 1901, wife of George and Mary E. b.1861 d. 1908. There is a Mary Magdalena Miller in the Gastown Cemetery (Elderton) b.1781 d. 1863 and a Henry S. b.1843 d. 1900. Fred Brient

In a message dated 98-02-06 12:52:14 EST, pagarcia@primenet.com writes: << Also, how do I go about getting a marriage record for this pair, or a death certificate for Marie? >> There may be a marriage record at the county courthouse for the county in which they married. I don't know about Armstrong County, but other area counties began issuing licenses and keeping records in 1885. You would have to contact the Armstrong Co. courthouse to find out how to go about requesting such a record. As to the death record, you could try writing to PA Vital Records (address follows). You would ask them to check one of the years you suspect she died in, and they would either notify you that they don't have a record for that year, or they would send you a death certificate. If they didn't have a record for that year, you would then send in a new request for the other year. Unfortunately, for each year you wish them to check, they would expect another fee. This fee is $3.00, and since you have 3 years in question, you could end up sending in 3 different requests, and spending $9.00 total. Another possible avenue of research would be to contact a library in Kittanning to see if they have a genealogy department, and if they perhaps have old newspapers on microfilm, and/or an obituary index. You may be able to get someone there to check these years for an obituary on this woman, which would then give you the information you need. Should such a service not be available through the library, check to see if there is a genealogical or historical society in the area, and check with them for an obituary. I hope this has helped somewhat. Irene Crawford JTJTJ5@aol.com Address for PA Vital Records P.O. Box 1528 New Castle, PA 16103

Is the book on cemetary listings in Armstrong County a list of those buried and where or is it a list of cemetaries? I am looking for a Henry and Mary Miller who lived near South Bend, probably were born about 1795 - 1805. Could someone check to see if they are listed in a cemetary? I will greatly appreciate your help. Aparkplace@aol.com Barbara D. Wetzel

Does anyone have the Glade Run Cemetery Index out there. Looking for Jacob Baumb abt 1838 d Julyu 18, 1913 Boggs Twp., and wife Nancy Cherlton, Lillian Yvetta Bittinger Baum b November 16, 1883, d 1929 d/o James Andrew Bittinger and Margaret Houser w/o Robert Elmer Baum b May 10, 1884 d Dec. 1954 AR s/o Jacob and Nancy Baum Any help would be very much appreciated -- Chuck Bollinger

There is an M. D. Jones in the Oakland Cemetery, no date of birth and no date of death. He was a Civil War Veteran and served in the 56th. Ohio Infantry. Perhaps this is actually William D.? Fred Brient

Hi to all, It's been awhile since I have posted here since genealogy research to a back seat for a bit. At any rate, I am still in search of information on my gggrandfather (William D. JONES). William D. JONES was born JAN 10, 1845 in Minersville, Meigs County, Ohio and died NOV 16, 1877 in Oakland (now Distant), Armstrong County, Pennsylvania. According to the Census' that I have found him in he appears to have been a "coal digger". I believe he may have worked around the furnaces. He was in Mahoning Furnace around 1869 and then went to Mansfield (now Carnagie) Allegheny County, PA. and then seemed to return to Armstrong County locating in Pine Creek Furnace in 1870. Sometime between 1870 and 1872 he returned to Mahoning Furnace and then by 1874 he located to Oakland (now Distant). He was married to Margaret Jane BOWSER prob. abt. 1868. I have had no luck finding their burial place. ============================================================== I multi-task! I read in the bathroom ;,) Ted W. Jones P.O. Box 246 North East, Pennsylvania 16428 Fax - (814) 725-7358 Personal E-Mail - tjones@erie.net Personal home page - http://www.erie.net/~tjones Business E-Mail - tjones@lakeside.net Business home page - http://www.lakeside.net

I agree with Sherry. I have about four generations of wills from Lancaster, PA in the 1700's and in one will alone the surname is spelled three different ways. I believe after talking with people there and others, the English and clerical type folks in the courts just kind of wrote and spelled out what they thought they heard.

My Smiths in Armstrong Co, PA: Philip SMITH (b:abt 1800, PA) m:Mary McFARLAND (b:abt 1810, PA), resided in Armstrong Co., PA (1850 Redbank Township, and 1860 Wayne Township, census). Possible children (from census) Caroline, b:abt 1828, PA Peggy A., b:abt 1830, PA Elizabeth, b:abt 1835, PA Samuel, b:abt 1836, PA James, b:abt 1837, PA Sarah G., b:1840, PA, m:1864, Armstrong Co., PA, Absalom Solomon DOUTT Philip, b:abt 1841, PA George, b:1846, PA Thompson P., b:1849, PA Children I am sure of are Sarah (my g.grandmother) and Samuel. Samuel Smith signed an affidavit concerning his sister, Sarah,'s marriage to Absalom S. Doutt, in A. S. Doutt's pension papers. I haven't been able to find much on this Smith family at all, and I would sure love to make some connections. Frances Doutt Smith

Most of the time this is because a census taker, or other official spelled the name as they thought it sounded. In my family, I have the Copella's (my family's spelling) Or Copello, or Copelli. My Nulf family is also Nolf, Nulph, and Nolph. Because alot of these people were immigrants with odd accents and most were unable to read or spell, it probably was very difficult for someone hearing the name and then trying to write it to pinpoint an exact spelling. Didn't Daubenspeck turn into Doverspike or something like that? It kills me when you contact a family member with an alternate spelling of a name, and they say "We can't be related-- we don't spell our name that way!" Have fun at your newfound obsession! Sherry Jesberger gljslj@penn.com ---------- > From: Arthur Cravener <engineer@epix.net> > To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Surname spelling changes > Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 8:24 PM > > > I'm new to genealogy. > > Something I'm puzzled about is why some change the > spelling of their surnames. For instance, my family > spells their surname both Cravener and Cravenor. > > I have a copy of a Brink family tree produced in > 1984. It lists my ggrandfather as spelling his > name Cravenor. His sons then split, some keeping > the spelling Cravenor, while others change to > Cravener. > > Is there a general consensus or axiom regarding > the reasons this happens? > > TIA > > Arthur Cravener (ex-Kittanningite) > > ps I'd like to thank some of the list members > here for assisting with my family research. > Eliizabeth Caporali in particular who has shown > she truly does Practice Random Acts of Kindness. > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net > remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > >

In a message dated 98-02-05 09:54:34 EST, you write: << I have a piece of CEMETERY LISTINGS OF ARMSTRONG CO that a cousin sent me regards McCAUSLAND and on the same page were my HENDERSON family. Cous doesn't have listing available to him now. Would like to know what is on preceeding page for HENDERSON buried in Gastown Cemetery. I have page 120, what preceeds it on page 119? I would really appreciate knowing. I have been trying to find this listing for sale but no luck. Do you know where I might get it? Thanks much for your time......Ron McCausland mailto:mcc533@scsn.net >> Hi Ron, Following are the HENDERSON listings on p 119: 171 - HENDERSON, Andrew - 8 Jan 1842 / 29 Aug 1882 - Civ War - ae 40y 7m 21d - h/o Eleanor 37 - HENDERSON, Benjamin - d 21 Sep 1857 - Rev War - ae 91y 3m - h/o Susan? 63 - HENDERSON, Benjamin - Civ War - h/o Hannah? [no dates given] 24 - HENDERSON, Christena - d 12 Nov 1845 - ae 50y 2m 37d - w/o Joseph 171 - HENDERSON, Eleanor - 8 Jun 1851 / 10 Sep 1880 - ae 29y 3m 2d - w/o Andrew 171 - HENDERSON, Eleanor B - 10 Sep 1880 / 20 Sep 1880 - ae 10d - d/o Andrew / Eleanor 30 - HENDERSON, Eliza - 18 Nov 1809 / 31 Dec 1881 - ae 72y 1m 13d - w/o John This book is available at Closson Press as of their Catalog No. 10 (May '97/ May '98). Info needed to order: p 12, "Cemetery Listings of Armstrong County, PA" (by Don W Rupert) - Qty - $35.00 each plus $4.00 pstg / hdlg and if you live in PA, add 6% Sales Tax. Send order to: Closson Press, 1935 Sampson Drive, Apollo PA 15613-9208--or if you use Mastercard of Visa, you may phone 412-337-4482, or FAX 412-337-9484, or e-mail: rclosson@nb.net. This is a large book, has 470 pp. Sharon A. Huffman sharhuff@aol.com

I'm new to genealogy. Something I'm puzzled about is why some change the spelling of their surnames. For instance, my family spells their surname both Cravener and Cravenor. I have a copy of a Brink family tree produced in 1984. It lists my ggrandfather as spelling his name Cravenor. His sons then split, some keeping the spelling Cravenor, while others change to Cravener. Is there a general consensus or axiom regarding the reasons this happens? TIA Arthur Cravener (ex-Kittanningite) ps I'd like to thank some of the list members here for assisting with my family research. Eliizabeth Caporali in particular who has shown she truly does Practice Random Acts of Kindness.

Brients@aol.com wrote: > > Maureen > The 1876 Atlas of Armstrong County shows an N. Snow in Perry Township. > Neighbors are J. Morrison, W. Crozier and A. Evans. A check of the same > location on the 1861 map reveals a Jonathan Snow. There are other Snows > listed in Perry Township as well. If you are interested in others let me > know. > > Fred Brient > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To reach archived messages, go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/PAARMSTR-L/ Fred, I would use the other Snow residents in Perry Township just to make sure. Thanks for the help...I appreciate you... Maureen

Brian, Thanks for the help with the 1810 Census and the Snow and Shirley family. This gives me a great connection... Regards, Maureen