At 05:49 AM 2/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ken, > >Would your Hall line go back to David Hall and Jane Jackson? Their son >David b. c1792 married Margaret Hindman, and daughter Nancy b. c1794 >married John Hindman, Margaret's cousin. I have some information on the >off spring from both marriages, but need more. Willing to exchange any >information I have. > >James Hindman >Peterborough, England > ====== James, William Hall came to Armstrong county, PA around 1835 from Donegal County, Ireland. I don't know who his parents were. Ken T. k.tessendorff@worldnet.att.net Researching HALL & COOK in Armstrong, PA & Modoc, CA CUMMINS & MURDOCK in Calaveras, Colusa & Modoc, CA

> ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To reach archived messages, go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/PAARMSTR-L/ > I've tried a couple of times over several days, but rootsweb responds that this url doesn't exist Brian Cartwright

================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: fs332@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Walton) To: fs332@po.cwru.edu Subject: Dorothy Helen Best Obit Date: Wed, 18 Feb Ono Martha Hetrick Breene of Oil City. DOROTHY HELEN BEST Dorothy Helen Best, age 84 of Knox, a retired school teacher, died at 1:50 a.m. Saturday, January 31, 1998, in Clarion Hospital following a short illness. Born March 24, 1913, in Beaver Twp., Clarion Co., she was a daughter of Glenn and Esther Wetzel Best. She was a graduate of White Memorial School in Knox and was a 1950 graduate of Clarion College with majors in both elementary and secondary education. She also held a masters degree in education from Penn State University, specializing in the field of English. Other graduate study in her field was done at New York University, University of Hawaii, and the University of London, England. She also did a study in the special field of Shakespeare. Miss Best taught school for 42 years, primary grades through college, with most of her teaching done at Oil City Junior High School where she taught English. She was an active member of St. Pauls United Church of Christ at Knox, RD 2 and at age 11 taught Sunday School classes. She completed 27 state leadership training courses in religious education. She also was very active in church camping, serving as director and counselor for 17 summers. She directed and taught Bible School for a number of summers. For eight years she had served as Junior Church Leader. Miss Best spent four years in Japan at a Christian College in Obirin Gakauen, teaching English and Bible to young college people. She encouraged and aided two young men to become ministers. She also aided a young woman from Orissa, India, to complete her education and become a Christian teacher. Since retirement, Miss Best remained very active, helping the R.S.V.P. Program and working for the Clarion Co. Literacy Program. She was a chaplain for the D.A.C. in Clarion. Surviving are three brothers, Vern Best, Cavier Best, and Marvin Best, all of Knox, four nieces and two nephews; 16 great nieces and great - nephews; 13 great - great nieces and great - great nephews. In addition to her parents, Miss Best was preceded in death by a sister, Miriam Alberta Best; a niece, Linda Kelly, and a sister in law, Mary Ellen Best. Friends may call from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. today in the William N. Rupert Mortuary in Knox. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. Tuesday in the Funeral Home with the Rev. Raymond Faulds, pastor of St. Pauls United Church of Christ officiating. Interment will be in St. Pauls Union Cemetery. The family suggests that memorials be made to St. Paul United Church of Christ, RD 2, Knox, or to the Knox Area Ambulance, Knox 16232.

I contacted the Register of Wills in Armstrong County, and they gave their address as the following. I asked if marriage records were held there, and they said yes. They said they have marriages after 1885, Deeds from 1805, Deaths and Births from 1893-1905 available (I wrote this down while I was on the phone, so I may have errors--please double-check the dates with them). They would not give me prices or information over the phone, but asked me to mail my specific information from the will book, with SASE, and that they would send me the forms and prices with that. They sounded friendly on the phone, but seemed to be more willing to find the information when I told them I had the year, volume, page, and estate numbers. I don't know whether they will conduct a search if you don't have specific information. The Register & Recorder's Office 500 Market Street Kittanning, PA 16201 (412) 543-2500 I just mailed mine today, so I don't know the response yet. Patti Garcia At 06:20 AM 2/18/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-18 04:10:57 EST, cassandraskidmore@ameritech.net >writes: > ><< Silly me forgot to mention that I needed to find the place to write to for >marriage certificates also. >> > >And in a message dated 98-02-18 05:40:14 EST, cassandraskidmore@ameritech.net >writes: > ><< I need help in finding out where I need to write, costs etc for birth > certificates for Armstrong Co. during 1885-1895. >>

---------- > From: Cassandra Skidmore <cassandraskidmore@ameritech.net> > To: PAARMSTRONG CTY Geneology <PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Birth certificates > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 3:36 AM > > Hello to All, > > I need help in finding out where I need to write, costs etc for birth > certificates for Armstrong Co. during 1885-1895. There really are no birth certificates for that time-- they have them written down in books at the courthouse. And from what I can see, they were recorded in all counties "catch as catch can". Meaning many of them didn't get recorded at all. > > Also, is there anyone that is close to the Kittanning Cemetary, > Kittanning, that would be willing to go there and get a copy of the > internment list there for a specific family? Isn't this cemetery in book form already? Sherry > > Cassandra > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 98-02-18 10:57:14 EST, pagarcia@primenet.com writes: << Deaths and Births from 1893-1905 >> This is pretty typical of counties in this general area, if not all over the state. However, ALL Delayed Birth Records are kept at the county level, because they are applied for and obtained from the county courthouse. These would be generated when someone for whom there was no record of birth at the time of birth needed proof of age for some reason, most typically in order to deal with the Social Security Administration in some way. My grandmother got hers so that she could get a Social Security card when she went to work at age 26, and I've heard of others doing this in order to begin collecting retirement benefits. These delayed birth records can be a goldmine of genealogical information. Don't neglect this area of research. Irene

James Hindman wrote: > > Jeff, > > Thanks for your reply to my query. The birth month of Mar 1847 for > Benjamin was from the 1900 census microfilm. It looks now like that was a > misread of May 1847. And thank you for Delilah Bowser's last name. > > I think Benjamin was mostly known as Lee Toy, but he was called Lee B. Toy > in the 1900 census. He was named in James Hindman's will as Benjamin Lee > Toy, and he and Rachel were named to inherit James' farm in East Franklin > twp. Two of their children were also named in the will: Rosannah Toy was > to receive a side saddle, and Robert Hamilton Toy a man's saddle. > > Could you tell me more about Valentine Toy? We may have some other > connections in East or West Franklin Townships. > > James Hindman > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To reach archived messages, go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/PAARMSTR-L/ Noticed you needed more on Valentine Toy. Born 18 Apr 1839, died 1916, married Julia A. Cornman and Christine Acheson. 3 children that I have : John, Lemuel, Benjamin (sorry no dates). Julia Cornman was the daughter of Henry Y. Cornman and Catherine Walker. Catherine Walker was the daughter of William Walker and (don't scream!) Adaline Bowser. Again, I have Adaline Bowser's line back as far as the others...... Linda

In a message dated 98-02-18 10:57:14 EST, pagarcia@primenet.com writes: << They sounded friendly on the phone, but seemed to be more willing to find the information when I told them I had the year, volume, page, and estate numbers. I don't know whether they will conduct a search if you don't have specific information.>> I don't have any experience specific to the Armstrong Co. courthouse, but in dealing with some of the other courthouses, I have found that they are willing to conduct a search, but will generally charge a fee specifically for the search, as well as a separate fee for a copy of any information found. I think some of them may feel that this sort of research keeps them from other duties. Also, in some cases, they are just absolutely swamped with these sorts of requests. Obviously, the more information you are able to provide them, the easier it makes their job. This is why someone who lives in the area and has time to get to the courthouse might make your quest for information easier, not to mention less expensive (if they are willing to conduct such research for free, or at a reduced rate). In fulfilling such requests myself, (in Erie Co.), I usually don't charge anything beyond what I have to pay to obtain the information. By conducting the research in person, I can save the person whatever fees the courthouse charges simply to search their records. Irene Crawford JTJTJ5@aol.com

Jeff, Thanks for your reply to my query. The birth month of Mar 1847 for Benjamin was from the 1900 census microfilm. It looks now like that was a misread of May 1847. And thank you for Delilah Bowser's last name. I think Benjamin was mostly known as Lee Toy, but he was called Lee B. Toy in the 1900 census. He was named in James Hindman's will as Benjamin Lee Toy, and he and Rachel were named to inherit James' farm in East Franklin twp. Two of their children were also named in the will: Rosannah Toy was to receive a side saddle, and Robert Hamilton Toy a man's saddle. Could you tell me more about Valentine Toy? We may have some other connections in East or West Franklin Townships. James Hindman

Ken, Would your Hall line go back to David Hall and Jane Jackson? Their son David b. c1792 married Margaret Hindman, and daughter Nancy b. c1794 married John Hindman, Margaret's cousin. I have some information on the off spring from both marriages, but need more. Willing to exchange any information I have. James Hindman Peterborough, England

Fred, Do you have access to the Kittanning Cemetery or records of it? I'm looking for Edward R. Runyan. He was born in Kittanning and his son, Calvin, was born there in 1854. I'm not sure where he died, but it may have been in Kittanning. I don't have any dates for him. Any help would be much appreciated. Susan Runyan

Cassandra, Who do you wish to locate in the Kittanning Cemetery? Fred Brient Brients@aol.com

Silly me forgot to mention that I needed to find the place to write to for marriage certificates also. This would be for the time periods of 1900-1930's. Thanks for putting up with me for I know that I have so much yet to learn. Cassandra

Hello to All, I need help in finding out where I need to write, costs etc for birth certificates for Armstrong Co. during 1885-1895. Also, is there anyone that is close to the Kittanning Cemetary, Kittanning, that would be willing to go there and get a copy of the internment list there for a specific family? If so, please email me privately. Thankyou in advance, Cassandra

In a message dated 98-02-18 04:10:57 EST, cassandraskidmore@ameritech.net writes: << Silly me forgot to mention that I needed to find the place to write to for marriage certificates also. >> And in a message dated 98-02-18 05:40:14 EST, cassandraskidmore@ameritech.net writes: << I need help in finding out where I need to write, costs etc for birth certificates for Armstrong Co. during 1885-1895. >> All marriage records and the birth records for this time period are kept at the county level. I don't have the address for the Armstrong Co. courthouse, but you should be able to find it somewhere on the web. A good place to look for information on any county for any state is http://local.yahoo.com/local/. Keep in mind, though, that births weren't always recorded in these days, or at least, not at the time of the birth. It might help to request a search through the Delayed Birth Records as well. When you contact the courthouse to determine fees, if you find that these fees are prohibitive (my local courthouse charges $15 per person), you might want to send out a plea to the list for anyone who lives locally to check these records out for you. Hope this helps, and happy hunting! Irene Crawford JTJTJ5@aol.com

Hi Jeff: I have three Bowsers in my tree and was wondering if any of them are connected to your group. BOWSER, Marion C. d. 1943 Married to DAVIS, Mary P. BOWSER, Phillip Married to SLAGLE, Mae Margaret BOWSER, Rebecca b. 1855 d. 1935 Married to RAMER/RAYMER, William Ross All were west. PA Thanks for your time. Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery L Groves <grovesmusik@juno.com> To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com <PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Armstrong Co. Genealogy >James, > >According to the 'History of the Bowser Family', pg 155, Peter Toys' wife >was Delilah Bowser. I found a photo copy of this book at the Butler >County Public Library, Butler, PA. According to this book, Peter & >Delilah had 14 children. It shows that Benjamin Lee was born May 10, >1847, m. Rachel Hollobaugh, lived in Walk Chalk, PA and their children >were: Rosie, Hamilton, Belle, Hannah, Mollie, Bert, & Curtis. This book >has a lot of information on the BOWSER family, but is very hard to >follow. (Benjamin's brother, Valentine was my g-g-grandfather.) > >Jeff > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com >Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com >In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe >(Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > >

Is there anybody out there working on the Hollobaughs? A branch of them moved from Armstrong co., PA to Jay Twp., Elk Co., PA and intermarried into alot of the families I work on. Very curious as to why they would come here. Sherry Jesberger ---------- > From: Jeffery L Groves <grovesmusik@juno.com> > To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Armstrong Co. Genealogy > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 5:53 AM > > James, > > According to the 'History of the Bowser Family', pg 155, Peter Toys' wife > was Delilah Bowser. I found a photo copy of this book at the Butler > County Public Library, Butler, PA. According to this book, Peter & > Delilah had 14 children. It shows that Benjamin Lee was born May 10, > 1847, m. Rachel Hollobaugh, lived in Walk Chalk, PA and their children > were: Rosie, Hamilton, Belle, Hannah, Mollie, Bert, & Curtis. This book > has a lot of information on the BOWSER family, but is very hard to > follow. (Benjamin's brother, Valentine was my g-g-grandfather.) > > Jeff > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > >

James Hindman wrote: > > Benjamin Lee Toy b. March 1847 m. Rachel Holabaugh. She was a foster > daughter, or may have been adopted, of James Hindman and Rosannah Noble. > The 1850 census shows family of Peter Toy and wife Delilah and 11 children. > Do you have anything to show Delilah's surname? Delilah was a Bowser, the daughter of Valentine Bowser and Elizabeth Fluke. If you need more, I have the Bowsers back quite a ways. Linda lynm@dangerous-minds.com ronm@westol.com

Cassandra Skidmore wrote: > > Hello to All, > > I need help in finding out where I need to write, costs etc for birth > certificates for Armstrong Co. during 1885-1895. > > Also, is there anyone that is close to the Kittanning Cemetary, > Kittanning, that would be willing to go there and get a copy of the > internment list there for a specific family? > > If so, please email me privately. > > Thankyou in advance, > > Cassandra > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) Cassandra, I just received this info. from the County of Armstrong: They have a search fee of $5.00 for genealogical records. Marriage License copies are $1.00 per copy $4.00 for marriage duplicate Death Certificates are $4.00. Birth certificates are $5.50. Mailed copies are $1.00 per page. In office copies are available for 50c per page. Marriage records date from Oct. of 1885 to present. Birth and death records date from 1893-1905. After 1905, records are kept in New Castle. Hope this helps. Adrienne Kusch

Benjamin Lee Toy b. March 1847 m. Rachel Holabaugh. She was a foster daughter, or may have been adopted, of James Hindman and Rosannah Noble. The 1850 census shows family of Peter Toy and wife Delilah and 11 children. Benjamin was the next youngest at age 3. Do you have anything to show Delilah's surname? Also looking for any family tradition that would tell if Rachel was indeed adopted by James and Rosannah. James Hindman Peterborough, England