Need help with the following: John G. HAHN was probably born about 1818 in Wuerttemburg, Stuttgart, Germany. There is a John G. HAHN listed in Philby's PHILADELPHIA NATURALIZATION RECORDS. He was the minister of St. Paul's German Evangelical Lutheran Church in Millerstown Borough, Butler Co. In 1851 he married Mary Ann ELLENBERGER (details of marriage not known) of Sherrett, Armstrong Co. They had children born in IN, MI, OH and in Armstrong Co and Peachville, Fairview Twp, Butler Co. He was probably in those places as a Lutheran minister. I do not know his parents, ancestors, proof of birth, when and from where and on what ship he emigrated or whether he was with his family. I do not know where he first settled or was naturalized, whether or not he owned property, or where he and his wife Mary Ann ELLENBERGER were buried, though their deaths were probably 1883-1889 in Butler Co. There is a John HAHN @92 in the Butler Co 1880CS who is, I suppose a possible father or uncle.I have some data on his children, especially Christian Frederick HAHN (my paternal grandfather) who settled in Wyandotte Co KS with brothers Augustus and Paul. Christian Hahn married Martha Defries b 1866 Wyandotte Co KS. They later moved to White City Morris Co KS and then to Topeka Shawnee Co KS where they died and are buried. Would like to exchange information on the HAHN and ELLENBERGER (And FAIR) families. Tom Swiftwater HAHN~~~, Fort Myers FL

In a message dated 98-03-04 23:26:11 EST, Donna9933@aol.com writes: << Just found out George Bernard Honadle and Mary Louise Honadle were both born in N. B. Wher do I go for birth certificates??? >> That depends on when they were born. If it was 1906 or later, you would write to PA Dept. of Health, Div. of Vital Records, P.O. Box 1528, New Castle, PA 16103. Send $4.00 for each birth certificate you are requesting. If they were born prior to 1906, you need to contact the county courthouse...I believe it was Clarion County. They should have birth records there beginning in about 1893, although they might have some from earlier than that. If neither one of these searches turns up anything for you, have the folks at the courthouse check the delayed birth records. In quite a few cases, the birth wasn't recorded in a timely fashion. Later on, these folks came across a situation where they needed proof of their age...usually involving Social Security in some way. They would then go to the county courthouse where they were born and get a Delayed Birth Record. The biggest stumbling block you may encounter in searching for a DBR is that you probably wouldn't be able to determine when such a record might have been applied for and obtained. Hope this helps! Irene Crawford JTJTJ5@aol.com

There is a cemetery near what is known as Hog Back Hill. It is the Colwell Cemetery in Mahoning Twp. Connie M.

To Connie Mateer, Do you know if there is a cemetery in the area of Hog BAck and is there a listing of the headstones? I believe my gggrandmother, Susan O'Neil Hallobaugh is buried there. Thank you for any help you can give me. Mary Law Miller Gaithersburg, Maryland researching: LAW, WOODWARD, HALLOBAUGH, GRIM, WOLF

Can anyone tell me if the Roots-L notes for Butler and Armstrong Counties that are on here are being archieved? If so, where do you go to find them. DB

Hi Fred, Thanks Just found out George Bernard Honadle and Mary Louise Honadle were both born in N. B. Wher do I go for birth certificates??? Thanks C Donna

Jane, If you have the time, could you possibly look up George GROVES in your will index? I would appreciate it very much. Thank you, Jeff Groves _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Can someone please help Sue and I with the location of the Heilman Cemetery (Leechburg/Kittanning?) Thank you, Monette

Donna New Bethlehem is at the southern end of Clarion County. Cousin Fred

Monette Heilman Lutheran Church and Cemetery is in Kittanning Township not far from Brick Church. Fred Brient

Hi Can anyone tell me what couny this in Thank you, Donna

Paul, what did I do wrong???? Mary --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: AT&T WorldNet Postmaster <postmaster@worldnet.att.net> To: mlmars@juno.com (Mary L. Mars) Subject: Re: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980304123006.00c10504@proxy.els.att.com> References: <19980301223650.FIBF20533> Your mail was returned to you because forquer@worldnet.att.net is not a valid e-mail address. Please check with the intended recipient to determine the correct e-mail address. Regards, Postmaster At 12:22 AM 3/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >Would you please double check. This is the address he has given: > >>Paul W. Forquer >>1549 Logan Ave. NW >>Canton, Oh 44703 >>Tel: 330-452-1892 >>Fax: 330-452-1893 >>forquer@worldnet.att.net > >On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:36:51 +0000 Mail Administrator ><Postmaster@worldnet.att.net> writes: >>--===========================_ _= 7408752(20533) >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >> >>The following destination addresses were unknown (please check >>the addresses and re-mail the message): >> >><forquer@worldnet.att.net> >> >>Please reply to Postmaster@worldnet.att.net >>if you feel this message to be in error. >> >>--===========================_ _= 7408752(20533) >>Content-Type: message/rfc822 >> >>Received: from x17.boston.juno.com ([205.231.100.29]) >> by mtiwgwc02.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with >>ESMTP >> id <19980301223650.FIBE20533@x17.boston.juno.com> >> for <forquer@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:36:50 >>+0000 >>Received: (from mlmars@juno.com) >> by x17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RKZ07535; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 >>17:35:54 EST >>To: forquer@worldnet.att.net >>Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Donegal Families Armstrong County, PA >>Message-ID: <19980227.175415.4687.2.mlmars@juno.com> >>References: <19980301204804.AAA172@micron> >>X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 >>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,10-15,17-130 >>From: mlmars@juno.com (Mary L. Mars) >>Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:35:54 EST >> >>Paul, >> >>I am looking for the family of a Mary Cook (1852-1903), buried at >>Walley >>Hill, Perry Twp., Armstrong County, married to a John Walley. So far >>can't find her parents. Anything you might find would interest me. >> >>I remember my parents talking about a Forquer family that lived in a >>town >>called Hillville or Hillsville (I have heard both, not sure which is >>correct), not far from East Brady along the Allegheny river (north). >>Last time I was there, the house was still standing. Sound like a >>relative? >> >>Isn't searching "wonderful"?? >> >>Mary >> >>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:47:53 -0500 "Paul Forquer" >><forquerp@worldnet.att.net> writes: >>>I read with interest the topic of Armstrong County families from >>>Donegal. I >>>recently discovered that my ancestors, Forquer and/or Forker were >>from >>>County Donegal, the village of Anagry. I found this in the "At Rest >>In >>>These Hills" cemetery listing. I would imagine a lot of immigrants >>>followed >>>friends or relatives to a given area. I am beginning a search on >>>Donegal >>>immigration and will gladly share information. I am sure there will >>be >>>several families that tie together. >>> >>>Paul W. Forquer >>>1549 Logan Ave. NW >>>Canton, Oh 44703 >>>Tel: 330-452-1892 >>>Fax: 330-452-1893 >>>forquer@worldnet.att.net >>> >>>---------- >>>> From: k.tessendorff@worldnet.att.net >>>> To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L]COOK families-Armstrong County, PA >>>> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 1:34 PM >>>> >>>> At 09:01 AM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>> >>Ken, >>>> >> >>>> >>I have been looking for the family of Mary Cook, 1852-1903, >>>buried at >>>> >>Walley Hill, married to John Walley. Hopefully one of your Cooks >> >>>will >>>be >>>> >>her parent. Will let you know. >>>> >> >>>> >>Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >>Mary >>>> >> >>>> >>On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:21:05 +0000 k.tessendorff@worldnet.att.net >>>writes: >>>> >>>Is anyone researching these families? William Cook and William >>>Hall >>>> >>>both >>>> >>>came to Armstrong county in the 1830s from Donegal County, >>>Ireland. >>>> >>>Most of >>>> >>>their children were born in Ireland. >>>> >>>Thank you for your help. >>>> >>>Ken T. >>>> > >>>> >The 1870 W.Pa Census Index (FTM AGLL CD-ROM #285) lists 25 Cook >>>families >>>in >>>> >Armstrong Co. All are on film nunbers 1300 and 1301 available from >> >>>the >>>NARA >>>> >through your local library or FHC. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Fred Held >>>> === >>>> Hi Fred, >>>> Thank you for your help. >>>> I have seen most of the census film and copied all the information >>>> pertaining to my families. Now I am looking for Bibles, letters, >>>journals, >>>> diaries, etc. to put in my second book about these families. Most >>of >>>this >>>> type information would only be held by descendants or others >>>searching >>>the >>>> same families. I know it is difficult to make a connection with >>>other >>>> people researching the same family, but the Armstrong county mail >>>list >>>> seemed to be the best place to start. >>>> >>>> I believe that my William Hall and William Cook were the only >>>families >>>with >>>> these names that came to Armstrong from Donegal County, Irelend >>>during >>>the >>>> 1830s. >>>> >>>> Ken T. >>>> >>>> k.tessendorff@worldnet.att.net >>>> Researching HALL & COOK in Armstrong, PA & Modoc, CA >>>> CUMMINS & MURDOCK in Calaveras, Colusa & Modoc, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >>>> To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: >>>> mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >>>> remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >>>To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: >>> mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >>>remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >>--===========================_ _= 7408752(20533)-- >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Hi Judy, I'm at the office now. I'll check my Knepshield notes when I get home. I am guessing that I have something on him but not absolutely sure. Will E-mail you tomorrow. Thanks for writing, Sue ---------- From: Judy Douglas[SMTP:jald33@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 3:35 PM To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] KNEPSHIELD Susan, Do you have any info on William J. Knepshield b. Sept 1860 m. Mary Adaline Deemer on Nov 28, 1889 in Long Run, PA? Children were: Blanche, Izdore, and Arthur. Judy Lear Douglas jald@aol.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: mailto:PAARMSTR-L-request@rootsweb.com Click below for the digest list: mailto:PAARMSTR-D-request@rootsweb.com In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message)

Hello everyone. Looking for additional information on the following: MOORE, Nathan, b.1809 in Ireland, d. 1886 in PA. buried in Oakland Cemetery, Distant, spouse REARICK, Frances, b. 1817, d. 1887 in PA., buried in Oakland Cemetery, Distant, daughter MOORE, Margaret Anne, b. 1854, d. 1940; married to CRAMER, Martin Vanburen, b. 1841, d. 1911 MOORE, William, b. 1779 in Ireland, d. 1867 in Ireland, father of Nathan DOWNS, Mary, mother of Nathan DUFFY, Rebecca, b. 1865, d. 1940; married to CRAMER, as above. DUFFY, Michael, and ??, Fannie, parents, no dates or other info. The only dates above that I've been able to verify are those of Nathan and Frances, and only because of their headstones. My aunt give me the d. 1940 for both Margaret and Rebecca which would make me guess that at least one is wrong, maybe both, or even reversed for the two. Thanks for your time and any information on any of the above. Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com

Susan, Do you have any info on William J. Knepshield b. Sept 1860 m. Mary Adaline Deemer on Nov 28, 1889 in Long Run, PA? Children were: Blanche, Izdore, and Arthur. Judy Lear Douglas jald@aol.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Monette, Thanks for the information. Can you tell me where the Heilman Cemetery is? Sue ---------- From: Monette Sutherland[SMTP:elegantaffairs@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 6:24 PM To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] McKee, Henderson, Moore, Graham, Grubbs,Schrekengost, Knepshield Hi Sue, I show a Simon HEILMAN b 1824 married to Susan SMITH b 1827 d 1881. There were seven issues of this marriage and daughter Ann married Jack SCHAEFFER. Simon was the son of Daniel and Lydia YOUNT as was Solomon HEILMAN b 1808 and he married Eizabeth SCHRECKENGOST b 1809. There were eight issues of this marriage. All lived in Leechburg/Kittanning area. Hope this helps....Monette ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: mailto:impattic@mediaone.net remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........

Hi y'all, There seems to be a lot of discussion about the way postings to this list should be so I'll try to clear things up a bit. 1. As far as PAARMSTR-L showing in the subject: this is the way that I elected for Rootsweb to show this; the advantage being that most people are signed up on more than one list & when they set up their mailing program to filter messages or if they want to simply scan the subject line, they can identify the sender quickly. The subject line should be showing the subject of your post and it's much easier to read if it's in all caps. If your showing a surname, do not put spaces between the letters! Hence Caldwell should show as CALDWELL. When replying to a message, please look at the subject line & if your reply isn't on the same subject, change the line to reflect what your posting. 2. As far as signature lines; this should be left to the choice of the sender. Some of us love to use long signature lines others use none. I've made many connections from signature lines alone. 3. Now to replies going to the list; when someone makes a request to the list, it's posted for all to read. The concensus of most members is that the reply to a question should be posted for all to read. If your simply thanking someone for work done or want to make general comments only applicable to one person, please address these to the person in question and not the entire list. Again please look when using "reply to sender" and if your reply should not go to the entire list, change the sender address. This list has been set up for all replies to go back to the list. 4. When replying to a message, don't resend the entire message back. Use the cut & paste method; only sending back what is pertinant to your reply. These lists are quite active with lots of messages going back & forth so we all need to be considerate of our posts! If anyone has any comments on this post, please send it to me privately & not to the entire list. Keep up the good work & happy hunting! Patti Caldwell, Listmistress <impattic@mediaone.net>

Thanks Dan for the look-ups and for keeping my surnames 'alive'. Also ANDRY is spelled either ANDRYS or ANDRUS. Many thanks Marybeth

Do you have any listings for Collingwood, Stowers, McMillen, or Amstrong? Thanks Sher

Irene, The only JACK I have in Crooked Creek Cem. is Andrew JACK ; died 18 Nov 1874, age 82 yr, 3 mo, 27 da. JACK is a popular Gilpin Twp. (Leechburg Area) name, so I checked the JACK'S in those cemeteries. Quite a number but not the family you are looking for. I checked a handful of other sources I have but no luck this time. Sorry. Connie M.