Hi Fred: Thanks for the reply. I sure would like to look into the possibilities. In addition to Martin below: CRAMER, Martin VanBuren b. 1841 d. 1911 I think Armstrong CRAMER, William Henry Harrison b. 1868 d 12-23-1937 I know Armstrong CRAMER, William Martin b. 8-6-1909 d. 10-2-1970 I know Armstrong. William H had a farm in Vandergrift when my father William M. was born. William H. supposedly was born in Ohio, lived and worked in Birdville (Natrona Heights), Apollo, Oakmont, etc. I had some uncles that lived in Murrysville, Natrona Heights and Oakmont. I don't know much, if anything, about most of the siblings of the three (3) older Cramers as yet, other than some names and a few b & d dates but would love to explore any and all. Thanks again if that's possible. Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com -----Original Message----- From: Fred H. Held <fhheld@freewwweb.com> To: PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com <PAARMSTR-L@rootsweb.com>; Bob Cramer <kathybob@erols.com> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 4:24 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Cramers in Armstrong Co >>Hello: Would very much appreciate an 1820 census lookup on my >>ggggrandfather, CRAMER, Martin, b. 1811. >>That's the sum total of all my information on him, no parents, siblings, >>etc. Not positive he was in Armstrong Co. at the time of the census, or if >>he would be listed as he would have been less than 10. >> > >Don't know about other Cramers, but there are Cramers still in the area. My >cousins Hal C. and David W. Cramer are around somewhere. Could be related. >Did live in the Apollo/Spring Church area once. > >Fred Held > > > >==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > > >

>Hello: Would very much appreciate an 1820 census lookup on my >ggggrandfather, CRAMER, Martin, b. 1811. >That's the sum total of all my information on him, no parents, siblings, >etc. Not positive he was in Armstrong Co. at the time of the census, or if >he would be listed as he would have been less than 10. > Don't know about other Cramers, but there are Cramers still in the area. My cousins Hal C. and David W. Cramer are around somewhere. Could be related. Did live in the Apollo/Spring Church area once. Fred Held

On 25 Jun. 1901, somewhere in PA, this marriage took place: Herbert Maurice CRAWFORD & Anna Luella SMITH Herbert CRAWFORD was the son of Samuel Neale CRAWFORD and his wife Rosanna CRUM, who were living in Valley Twp., Armstrong Co. in 1880. Anna Luella SMITH may also have been from Armstrong Co. Does anyone recognize her? I have a very detailed account of the CRAWFORD family done in 1920 by one of Herbert's aunts, but the good lady in giving all of the family names and dates neglected to say WHERE any of these events took place. Any help appreciated. Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia annh@erols.com

Armstrong Co. US census index for 1820 and 1830 is on the Armstrong Co USGen website. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~paarmstr/> Tom On Sunday, March 22, 1998 1:48 PM, Bob Cramer [SMTP:kathybob@erols.com] wrote: > Hello: Would very much appreciate an 1820 census lookup on my > ggggrandfather, CRAMER, Martin, b. 1811. > That's the sum total of all my information on him, no parents, siblings, > etc. Not positive he was in Armstrong Co. at the time of the census, or if > he would be listed as he would have been less than 10. > > Thanks very much for your time and any information. > > Bob Cramer > kathybob@erols.com > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net > remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > >

Hello: Would very much appreciate an 1820 census lookup on my ggggrandfather, CRAMER, Martin, b. 1811. That's the sum total of all my information on him, no parents, siblings, etc. Not positive he was in Armstrong Co. at the time of the census, or if he would be listed as he would have been less than 10. Thanks very much for your time and any information. Bob Cramer kathybob@erols.com

http://www.rootsweb.com/~paarmstr/ Then click on CENSUS RECORDS for 1820 or 1830. Tom Nagy On Sunday, March 22, 1998 1:15 PM, Tibbles [SMTP:Tibbles@aol.com] wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-22 01:30:47 EST, you write: > > << Does anybody have access to the Records of the Census indexes on the > Armstrong > Co. web page? > > Scott > SWGrinder@AOL.COM >> > > Scott, > > I have the 1800 through 1820 Armstrong census. > What name are you looking for? > > Karen > Tibbles@aol.com > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net > remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > >

I have created a web page for the soldiers of the 78th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. It contains the names of the soldiers that served in that regiment. Included are all the companies. There were 10 companies. Company A, Company B, Company C, Company D, Company E, Company F, Company G, Company H, Company I and Company K. Many of the companies were recruited from Armstrong County. The URL is: http://members.tripod.com/~ProlificPains/service.htm Thanks in Advance!! Pamela Randolph

Okay we'll try this Stewart family: 1850 Indiana County, PA Census Washington TWP Census date Sept 4, 1850 Joseph Stewart Age 38 Isabella Stewart Age 62 Most likely Joseph's mother? John R. Stewart Age 13 Nancy Stewart Age 10 William Stewart Age 8 Robert Stewart Age 5 Joseph Stewart Age 3 Isabella Stewart Age 1 In the 1900 census it states she was born May 1841. This seems tha correct age. Anyone searching this Stewart line? Although her marriage record states she was from Armstrong County, I believe the boundaries of the counties changed. Pamela

Gin, Yes, I remember your post. Was your Stewart family from Plum Creek? The 1860 census just had what I posted in the previous message as far as names. Ahhhhhhhh the census records can be so baffling... Pamela

In a message dated 98-03-22 01:30:47 EST, you write: << Does anybody have access to the Records of the Census indexes on the Armstrong Co. web page? Scott SWGrinder@AOL.COM >> Scott, I have the 1800 through 1820 Armstrong census. What name are you looking for? Karen Tibbles@aol.com

Pam, did you inquire about my Mary Isabel in the John Stewart family? I answered that she had died at a young age abt the same time as her father. This Joseph Stewart was John Stewart's brother. This Mary Jane was born abt 1840. She married a Gillim. (I have a note to check on name Elgin?) This is all I have on her. In the census the J looks like an I. It could be an I but I show Mary Jane & she had a sister Sara Jane. I may have gotten that from a later census. What do you think?? Gin in Topeka, Ks

Seeking Stewart Information!! I think I may have found the parents of my Mary Isabella Stewart. In the 1860 Plum Creek, Armstong Co., PA I find this: Census date: August 10, 1860 Joseph Stewart Age 58 Mary Stewart Age 55 Robert Stewart Age 25 Mary I Stewart Age 20 (In the 1900 census her month and date of birth show May 1841...would this age be right then? I am terrible at caculating this! Sarah Stewart Age 16 William Stewart Age 9 Does anyone else have this Stewart family in the lines? Thanks in advance!! Pamela

Does anybody have access to the Records of the Census indexes on the Armstrong Co. web page? Scott SWGrinder@AOL.COM

I am researching among others LYNCH/KIRKLAND families from Allegheny Co, Mercer and Armstrong early 1800's to now. If anyone has any connections please email me at one of the addresses below. Thanks, ld dunn22@earthlink.net bm591@yfn.ysu.edu carson11@juno.com

Maureen, Perry Twp is in the north-western part of Armstrong Co. If you can find Queenstown in your atlas, draw a line through it east-west from the Allegheny River to the Butler Co. line. Everything to the north of this line, east of the Butler Co. line, and west of the Allegheny River is in Perry Twp, until you get just south of Parker. Hope this helps. Jeff _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

James Hindman wrote: > > Someone was looking for PERRY, Pa, but there appears to be no such place. > A DeLorme Atlas and Gazeteer for Penna lists a Perry Mead Corners, in > Warren County, but that is the nearest thing to the name Perry. > > However, there are nine Pennsylvania counties that contain a Perry > Township. The Pennsylvania Line, published by Southwest Pennsylvania > Genealogical Services, Post Office Box 253, Laughlintown PA 15655 lists the > nine Perry Townships this way: > > TOWNSHIP COUNTY FORMED > Perry Armstrong 1845 from Sugarcreek Twp > Perry Berks 1852 from Windsor Twp > Perry Clarion - - - - - while part of Venango County > Perry Fayette 1839 from Franklin, Tyrone and Washington > Twps > Perry Greene 1842 from Greene Twp > Perry Jefferson 1818 (or 1817) from Pine Creek Twp > Perry Lawrence 1849 > Perry Mercer 1851 from Sandy Creek Twp > Perry Snyder 1816 from Mahantango Twp > > Perry Twp, Clarion County was originally part of Perry Twp, Armstrong > County. When Clarion County was formed the part that falls in Clarion > County kept the same name, in the new county. Now they are separated by > the Allegheny River. It looks like The Pennsylvania Line missed one. > > James Hindman > Peterborough, England > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net > remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ Jim, Thanks so much for the Perry TWP data. I been looking on my atlas and can't find a Perry TWP on it. I find Brady's Bend, Parker, and several other communities with my ancestors, but not Perry. I will keep searching. Regards, Maureen

Someone was looking for PERRY, Pa, but there appears to be no such place. A DeLorme Atlas and Gazeteer for Penna lists a Perry Mead Corners, in Warren County, but that is the nearest thing to the name Perry. However, there are nine Pennsylvania counties that contain a Perry Township. The Pennsylvania Line, published by Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services, Post Office Box 253, Laughlintown PA 15655 lists the nine Perry Townships this way: TOWNSHIP COUNTY FORMED Perry Armstrong 1845 from Sugarcreek Twp Perry Berks 1852 from Windsor Twp Perry Clarion - - - - - while part of Venango County Perry Fayette 1839 from Franklin, Tyrone and Washington Twps Perry Greene 1842 from Greene Twp Perry Jefferson 1818 (or 1817) from Pine Creek Twp Perry Lawrence 1849 Perry Mercer 1851 from Sandy Creek Twp Perry Snyder 1816 from Mahantango Twp Perry Twp, Clarion County was originally part of Perry Twp, Armstrong County. When Clarion County was formed the part that falls in Clarion County kept the same name, in the new county. Now they are separated by the Allegheny River. It looks like The Pennsylvania Line missed one. James Hindman Peterborough, England

Hello All: My ancestor served in the Rev War from Franklin Co. After returning, he stayed in Franklin Co., until after 1800 then left with his wife Elizabeth Straley and their six kids. He lived in Westmoreland Co. and Armstrong Co., he died in Gilpin Twp.19 Sep 1834. One of his sons was James Harvey STITT, SR. James was born in Franklin Co., (I think) on 15 Jul 1793 and died on 20 Oct 1852 in Gilpin Co. Does anyone have an info on these two gentlemen? I need to tie them together (father and son) to qualify for SAR membership and so far, I can't. I have William STITT, JR's pension application and James Harvey STITT, SR's will, but neither says they are related. Any help will be greatly appreciated... Ed Stitt sceptre@airmail.net Researching (B/URKHART), (B/UTLER), (H/ATTON}, (C/OONEY), (H/OWARD), (J/EWELL), (N/EAL), (S/TITT)

I am trying to find some trace of my Great Great Grandparents, John E. Stewart & Mary Lightcap. They later moved to Armstrong Co. I think they got married abt 1830/31. Mary may have married a John Mitchel first in 1824. Anyone on the list claim these Stewarts, either in Derry Twp or Unility Twp? If not maybe they are mine. The 1830 Census Index for Westmoreland Co, Pa shows: (Derry Twp) Stewart, James West 155 Derry Twp Stewart, William West 157 Derry Twp Stewart, Nathaniel West 158 Derry Twp Stewart, John (Mine?) West 159 Derry Twp Stewart, Letitia Mrs West 169 Derry Twp Lightcap, William West 162 Derry Twp Lightcap, Samuel West 168 Derry Twp (Mary's father?) Lightcap, Levi West 174 Derry Twp Lightcap, Godfrey West 175 Derry Twp (Unity Twp) Lightcap, John West 313 Unity Twp Lightcap, Solomon West 313 Unity Twp Lightcap, Solomon, Sr West 316 Unity Twp Stewart, William West 317 Unity Twp (maybe father of John?) Stewart, Edward West 326 Unity Twp Anyone recognize any of these Stewarts? Gin in Topeka, Ks

I just finished posting a website for the Armstrong County at the Armstrong County USGenWeb site. For those of you've who've asked questions about the Armstrong County Historical Society (Genealogy Library), hopefully this will help you out. Nate Nathan Zipfel Armstrong County USGenWeb Project Co-Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~paarmstr