Hi Bev, To answer your question, I could be! Seems their were two Parker families running around Western PA. One set came up from the South and one set came from the East (NY and NJ). Mine came from NY and NJ they settled in Butler and Armstrong County. The other Parker family, from the South, settled in Butler and Armstrong County. See where I am going with this? I have better luck tracing the female that married the Parker. It's kin of a back door approach, but it works sometime. I am not going to say I don't have kin in NY. I just haven't located them, YET!!!! Send me what you have and I will try to connect. I just got back from spending a week looking for Parker's. I have a lot of information that has to be entered in my files. I will keep looking for a connection. James Wick Parker. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Betty Irwin Parker > To Jim Parker: Are you related to any Parkers from Nunda or around > Livingston > County, NY Bev., Ohio > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >

To Jim Parker: Are you related to any Parkers from Nunda or around Livingston County, NY Bev., Ohio

Dear Pearl, Thank you so much for the reply. I just got back from Butler County. Sent a week looking for Parker's and relatives. Guess I should have stayed on the computer! Anyway, any information is very much appreciated. My mailing address is: James Wick Parker, PO Box 5555, Middleburg, VA 20118. Thank you. From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Betty Irwin Parker > Jim: Good to hear from you of your interest in the > Reep Family Association. Betty Irwin Parker was the > secretary of the Reep Family Association and the > letter was from her to Gladys Walley. I will be glad > to mail you a copy if you send me privately your post > office mailing address. She lived in Petrolia, Butler > County, and her children still live in the same area. > It would be wonderful if they would donate her > wonderful research to a Historical Society so it would > not be lost. In 2000, an obit of her brother," John R. > Irwin"12/6/1925 9 11/2000 listed her as living in > Florida and remarried. Her husband was Edward Joseph > Parker 4 8 1917/6 15 1980...and her parents were David > Conrad Irwin and Iola Ruth Reep. > --- Jim Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, I am replying to Pearl via this email. I am > >> interested in the letter > >> that Betty Irwin Parker has from the Reep Family > >> Association. In fact, I > >> would like more information on contacting the Reep > >> Family Association. I am > >> related to the Reep family. I am almost sure that > >> Betty Irwin Parker is in > >> the Parker line also. Please email me with any > >> nugget of information you > >> have on these items I have listed. Thank you. James > >> Wick Parker. > >> [email protected] > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:42 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Census > >> > >> > >> > Eileen: Have been reading your replies with much > >> > interest and now have a question for you about my > >> > family....are you related to the Irwin family of > >> > Petrolia area, Butler County, Pa. We have a > >> letter > >> > written in 1970's for the Reep Family Association > >> by > >> > Betty Irwin Parker, about the Walley Family and > >> how > >> > they were related. She was an excellent > >> researcher, > >> > back long before computors. I research the Walley > >> > Family. Pearl > >> > --- Eileen Irwin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Yes, Ann, I am subscribed to several rootsweb > >> mail > >> > >> lists. I have been doing > >> > >> genealogy for almost 30 years and have given > >> much, > >> > >> much more information through > >> > >> the lists than I have received. I have text > >> files > >> > >> explaining the census (years > >> > >> and contents), the formation of the counties of > >> > >> Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West > >> > >> Virginia (years formed and parent counties), > >> early > >> > >> westward migration and > >> > >> expansion, etc. I have "shared" my data > >> including > >> > >> source information and > >> > >> documentation. I hope I have helped many with > >> my > >> > >> posts. > >> > >> > >> > >> Some of those who have not done genealogy prior > >> to > >> > >> the internet have no clue how > >> > >> to do research off the net, including using a > >> map to > >> > >> locate places (cities or > >> > >> towns) or a dictionary (for various terms and > >> > >> definitions) or even an > >> > >> encyclopedia (for historical perspective). > >> > >> > >> > >> You are absolutely correct. It is far easier > >> to > >> > >> post a query on a mail list > >> > >> than to actually do any research for yourself > >> or to > >> > >> latch on to one of the > >> > >> compiled trees and have your "family" go back > >> to 360 > >> > >> A.D. > >> > >> > >> > >> Eileen Irwin > >> > >> Mesa, AZ > >> > >> > >> > >> Ann Avery Hunter wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Eileen wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I blame much of the ignorance on > >> things/places > >> > >> like Family Tree Maker; World > >> > >> > > Family Tree; ancestry.com and even > >> rootsweb. > >> > >> Their priorities are selling > >> > >> > > products and information and leading the > >> novices > >> > >> to believe that genealogy is > >> > >> > > quick and easy. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I have been doing genealogical research for > >> over > >> > >> 45 years and am definitely > >> > >> > no novice, and I give thanks every day of my > >> life > >> > >> for > >> > >> > Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. Face it, genealogy > >> IS a > >> > >> lot easier now > >> > >> > than it used to be. I notice that you are > >> > >> subscribed to a Rootseb > >> > >> > mailing list :-) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Ann > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > Ann Avery Hunter > >> > >> > Richmond, Virginia > >> > >> > mailto:[email protected] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> NetZero Platinum > >> > >> No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > >> > >> Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > >> > >> http://www.netzero.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail list Administrator Nathan Zipfel, We seem to have a flood of obits on the Armstrong and Westmoreland Co mail lists. Would it not be better to have a website to store those obits and put a one-liner for each name, place, and date. Better yet, just make it known that those obits are probably already online at the newspaper's website. We don't need to be filling the A&W Co mail list archives with the obitaries. BTW, there is another online newspaper that also is of of special interest to all those in the Alle-Kiski valley, the Valley Daily Dispatch (old Vandergrift Valley Daily News) at http://www.pittsburghlive.com/valleynewsdispatch/. It has articles and obituaries for the shared area. There are other area newspapers that are online. -- mailto:[email protected]

Hi, I am replying to Pearl via this email. I am interested in the letter that Betty Irwin Parker has from the Reep Family Association. In fact, I would like more information on contacting the Reep Family Association. I am related to the Reep family. I am almost sure that Betty Irwin Parker is in the Parker line also. Please email me with any nugget of information you have on these items I have listed. Thank you. James Wick Parker. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Census > Eileen: Have been reading your replies with much > interest and now have a question for you about my > family....are you related to the Irwin family of > Petrolia area, Butler County, Pa. We have a letter > written in 1970's for the Reep Family Association by > Betty Irwin Parker, about the Walley Family and how > they were related. She was an excellent researcher, > back long before computors. I research the Walley > Family. Pearl > --- Eileen Irwin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Ann, I am subscribed to several rootsweb mail > >> lists. I have been doing > >> genealogy for almost 30 years and have given much, > >> much more information through > >> the lists than I have received. I have text files > >> explaining the census (years > >> and contents), the formation of the counties of > >> Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West > >> Virginia (years formed and parent counties), early > >> westward migration and > >> expansion, etc. I have "shared" my data including > >> source information and > >> documentation. I hope I have helped many with my > >> posts. > >> > >> Some of those who have not done genealogy prior to > >> the internet have no clue how > >> to do research off the net, including using a map to > >> locate places (cities or > >> towns) or a dictionary (for various terms and > >> definitions) or even an > >> encyclopedia (for historical perspective). > >> > >> You are absolutely correct. It is far easier to > >> post a query on a mail list > >> than to actually do any research for yourself or to > >> latch on to one of the > >> compiled trees and have your "family" go back to 360 > >> A.D. > >> > >> Eileen Irwin > >> Mesa, AZ > >> > >> Ann Avery Hunter wrote: > >> > > >> > Eileen wrote: > >> > > >> > > I blame much of the ignorance on things/places > >> like Family Tree Maker; World > >> > > Family Tree; ancestry.com and even rootsweb. > >> Their priorities are selling > >> > > products and information and leading the novices > >> to believe that genealogy is > >> > > quick and easy. > >> > > >> > I have been doing genealogical research for over > >> 45 years and am definitely > >> > no novice, and I give thanks every day of my life > >> for > >> > Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. Face it, genealogy IS a > >> lot easier now > >> > than it used to be. I notice that you are > >> subscribed to a Rootseb > >> > mailing list :-) > >> > > >> > Ann > >> > -- > >> > Ann Avery Hunter > >> > Richmond, Virginia > >> > mailto:[email protected] > >> > > >> > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >> > >> NetZero Platinum > >> No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > >> Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > >> http://www.netzero.net > >> > >> > >> ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >

Jim: Good to hear from you of your interest in the Reep Family Association. Betty Irwin Parker was the secretary of the Reep Family Association and the letter was from her to Gladys Walley. I will be glad to mail you a copy if you send me privately your post office mailing address. She lived in Petrolia, Butler County, and her children still live in the same area. It would be wonderful if they would donate her wonderful research to a Historical Society so it would not be lost. In 2000, an obit of her brother," John R. Irwin"12/6/1925 9 11/2000 listed her as living in Florida and remarried. Her husband was Edward Joseph Parker 4 8 1917/6 15 1980...and her parents were David Conrad Irwin and Iola Ruth Reep. --- Jim Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, I am replying to Pearl via this email. I am > interested in the letter > that Betty Irwin Parker has from the Reep Family > Association. In fact, I > would like more information on contacting the Reep > Family Association. I am > related to the Reep family. I am almost sure that > Betty Irwin Parker is in > the Parker line also. Please email me with any > nugget of information you > have on these items I have listed. Thank you. James > Wick Parker. > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Census > > > > Eileen: Have been reading your replies with much > > interest and now have a question for you about my > > family....are you related to the Irwin family of > > Petrolia area, Butler County, Pa. We have a > letter > > written in 1970's for the Reep Family Association > by > > Betty Irwin Parker, about the Walley Family and > how > > they were related. She was an excellent > researcher, > > back long before computors. I research the Walley > > Family. Pearl > > --- Eileen Irwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Yes, Ann, I am subscribed to several rootsweb > mail > > >> lists. I have been doing > > >> genealogy for almost 30 years and have given > much, > > >> much more information through > > >> the lists than I have received. I have text > files > > >> explaining the census (years > > >> and contents), the formation of the counties of > > >> Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West > > >> Virginia (years formed and parent counties), > early > > >> westward migration and > > >> expansion, etc. I have "shared" my data > including > > >> source information and > > >> documentation. I hope I have helped many with > my > > >> posts. > > >> > > >> Some of those who have not done genealogy prior > to > > >> the internet have no clue how > > >> to do research off the net, including using a > map to > > >> locate places (cities or > > >> towns) or a dictionary (for various terms and > > >> definitions) or even an > > >> encyclopedia (for historical perspective). > > >> > > >> You are absolutely correct. It is far easier > to > > >> post a query on a mail list > > >> than to actually do any research for yourself > or to > > >> latch on to one of the > > >> compiled trees and have your "family" go back > to 360 > > >> A.D. > > >> > > >> Eileen Irwin > > >> Mesa, AZ > > >> > > >> Ann Avery Hunter wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Eileen wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > I blame much of the ignorance on > things/places > > >> like Family Tree Maker; World > > >> > > Family Tree; ancestry.com and even > rootsweb. > > >> Their priorities are selling > > >> > > products and information and leading the > novices > > >> to believe that genealogy is > > >> > > quick and easy. > > >> > > > >> > I have been doing genealogical research for > over > > >> 45 years and am definitely > > >> > no novice, and I give thanks every day of my > life > > >> for > > >> > Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. Face it, genealogy > IS a > > >> lot easier now > > >> > than it used to be. I notice that you are > > >> subscribed to a Rootseb > > >> > mailing list :-) > > >> > > > >> > Ann > > >> > -- > > >> > Ann Avery Hunter > > >> > Richmond, Virginia > > >> > mailto:[email protected] > > >> > > > >> > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >> > > >> NetZero Platinum > > >> No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > >> Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > >> http://www.netzero.net > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >> > > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

The comments were inappropriate for the list and would have been better expressed privately, if at all. Fred Brient

I wanted to let everyone know that we are moving on Sat. July 7th to 115 Lake Clair Lane, Boyers, PA 16020 (724) 791-9926. I don't have my new e-mail address yet because Earth link (my current provider) doesn't cover the area I am moving to. As soon as I have the new e-mail I will send it out. Jennifer and Jason Oliphant ps. Most of you will have had contact with us because of genealogy reason. Just so you know.

Hi all, Please let's stop this thread about what was posted. There are all levels of researchers on the list and we need to be tolerant of those who are just beginning. So - back to research and no more on this subject. Thanks Nate Listowner......

Hi Is their any one on this list who goes to the Armstrong county court house, who I could Hire to look up a couple things. if so email me at [email protected] THANK YOU Ryan

If I may add my own thoughts: We were all beginners at one point. I am still so very grateful to the lady who showed me how to get around in a courthouse, that I couldn't even begin to know how to repay her. She took the time to help me all those years ago, even though I may have been an irritating greenhorn, and generously gave of her time and knowledge. This kindness shall NEVER be forgotten by me, and I have tried to behave in that manner towards others. And I truly believe that as easy as internet genealogy may be, those of us with years of experience should be taking the lead and making it even ~easier~ for long distance researchers to find out about their ancestors. We should be reading cemeteries, or transcribing courthouse documents, and getting them online. There isn't one of us who couldn't type up an obituary or a will and submit it to the query boards. I don't necessarily believe that if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem, but we could all be doing MORE to help our cousins who live out of the area. And finally-- for Heaven's sake folks-- this is just a HOBBY for many people! It's supposed to be FUN! Some of us take it a little more seriously than others, but NONE of us should look down our collective noses at anyone's research methods. If it works for them, and makes them happy-- who are you to question it? I get a little agitated at some of the incorrect info that seems to abound on the internet too, but it's not my job to change the world or convince someone they are right/ wrong. I just do my own thing, share what I've managed to accumulate, and hopefully everything will fall into place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ortzs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Re: PAARMSTR-D Digest V01 #172 > I am taking this oppportunity to say "thank you" to all who have helped me > in my search. > Every one has their opinions about things but this is how I look at it : > > we all have the same goal in mind - > our family history. > It is wonderful that the internet has made the sharing of info so much > easier, > not to mention the speed. > And many, including myself, have found mistakes in histories listed on trees > at Ancestry.com etc. > I still consider myself a beginner. > I walk graveyards, contact churches, sit searching in libraries and have > gotten closer to not only my children, who aid in this search, but also to > understanding the lives that my ancestors lived. > I am also thankful that thru lists such as these I have been answered and > contacted by distant relatives I never knew existed. For that reason alone - > this has been a positive experience. > > Since I am a wife, mom & full-time college student, I only get to really > search during breaks. > Class starts again next week. > > It is a blessing to have others share tips & info, which I try to do in > turn. > > Thanks again, > > Michelle > > >

Pearl and List: I am researching the James IRWIN family of Forest (originally was Jefferson)Co., Pennsylvania. Some of the descendants of this family settled in Jefferson Co., Venango and Clarion Cos. as well as McKean and Erie Cos. Research indicates that James IRWIN was born about 1800 in Pennsylvania and died between 1870 and 1880 in Barnett Twp., Forest Co., Pennsylvania. He married Mary (last name unknown) before 1829 and they had at least 12 children. Children of James and Mary IRWIN were: 1. John M. IRWIN, b. about 1829; died after 1880 bef. 1900; married about 1851, Martha (last name unknown), b. about January 1832; had at least 8 children. 2. James M. IRWIN, b. about 1830; married bef. 1857 Naomi N. (last name unknown), b. abt. 1838; had at least 4 children. 3. Hannah IRWIN, b. about 1833 4. Perry IRWIN, b. Dec. 1835; died 1913; married about 1867 Ellen (last name unknown), b. about June 1850; died 1900-1910; had at least 7 children (possibly 8 children) 5. Hezekiah IRWIN, b. abt. 1836; died June 3, 1862 at Savage Station, VA.; married October 31, 1860 Sarah Jane Hulings, b. July 20, 1839; died December 24, 1873; had 2 children. 6. Samuel IRWIN, b. abt. 1838; died 1910-1920. 7. Silas IRWIN, b. abt 1936; died June 25, 1862 at Seven Pines, VA 8. Benjamin IRWIN, b. abt. 1841; died March 2 1864 at Beaufor, North Carolina. 9. Hiram "Hile" IRWIN, b. February 26, 1845; died July 16, 1934; married 1st Rachel LACKEY, b. abt. 1849; died bef. 1871; had one son; married 2nd Sept. 25, 1871 Lucinda MAZE, b. November 1842; died 1919; had 7 children; married 3rd. Mrs. Emma BUSH 10. Reuben G. IRWIN, b. September 18, 1844 in Clarington, Forest Co., Pennsylvania; died January 10, 1916; married 1st Sarah Jane CROW, b. abt. 1852; died July 1881; had 4 children; married 2nd August 20, 1882 Nina Maria ANDREWS, b. March 1862; died 1902; had 7 children. 11. Ezra IRWIN, b. November 1848; married abt. 1873 Marian (last name unknown), b. about August 1856; had at least 6 children. 12. William IRWIN, b. May 1854; married abt. 1878 Lovica (last name unknown), b. June 1856; died 1910-1920; had at least 4 children. At least 6 of the sons of James and Mary IRWIN served in the Civil War: Perry, Hezekiah, Silas, Benjamin, Reuben and Hiram. Will share further information with sources upon request. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ Pearl Ramirez wrote: > > Eileen: Have been reading your replies with much > interest and now have a question for you about my > family....are you related to the Irwin family of > Petrolia area, Butler County, Pa. We have a letter > written in 1970's for the Reep Family Association by > Betty Irwin Parker, about the Walley Family and how > they were related. She was an excellent researcher, > back long before computors. I research the Walley > Family. Pearl NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net

I am taking this oppportunity to say "thank you" to all who have helped me in my search. Every one has their opinions about things but this is how I look at it : we all have the same goal in mind - our family history. It is wonderful that the internet has made the sharing of info so much easier, not to mention the speed. And many, including myself, have found mistakes in histories listed on trees at Ancestry.com etc. I still consider myself a beginner. I walk graveyards, contact churches, sit searching in libraries and have gotten closer to not only my children, who aid in this search, but also to understanding the lives that my ancestors lived. I am also thankful that thru lists such as these I have been answered and contacted by distant relatives I never knew existed. For that reason alone - this has been a positive experience. Since I am a wife, mom & full-time college student, I only get to really search during breaks. Class starts again next week. It is a blessing to have others share tips & info, which I try to do in turn. Thanks again, Michelle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: PAARMSTR-D Digest V01 #172

Eileen: I am with you. I have been doing this for 2 years and still am fumbling around and disorganized. My FTM has sat in a box for a long time. But I have met a lot of long lost cousins and am very happy about that. Bev., Ohio

funny, but I did not think the list was a place of criticism at least when it comes to beginners. I've been researching for years now, and still feel like a beginner! but i don't scare easy... just my two cents worth, laurie -----Original Message----- From: Watson, Linda (FRTC_NY) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] Census For your information Betty, I have not done genealogy. I am beginning to collect information. Instead of criticizing people who might not know where to begin getting information, why don't you try and give them a little direction. In the past year I have had time to briefly research about four times on the net. There are so many sites for genealogy research that it can be overwhelming. I have read some articles on rootsweb, such as Genealogy 101, but have had little time to invest in this lengthy process of research. But, I was able to do some things on my own, such as get the social security numbers of my great-grandparents. To some of you that might sound trivial, but I saw that as an exciting beginning. My goal is the same as everyone's - I want to know about my ancestors and where they come from and how they came to be in America. So, thank you to everyone who responded to Betty's comment in a positive manner and thank you to Ann Avery Hunter for giving me the information I was looking for. It will indeed help me begin my search! -----Original Message----- From: Betty Grafton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Census Can you believe someone doing Genealogy and don't know how to get a state census? ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====

Eileen wrote: > You are absolutely correct. It is far easier to post a query on a mail list > than to actually do any research for yourself or to latch on to one of the > compiled trees and have your "family" go back to 360 A.D. This is true but is, of course, not at all what I meant by genealogy being easier now than 45 years ago. I have access to online records within minutes that I would either never have seen or that would have taken me months to locate. I have volunteers to do lookups in places that I can't get to. And best of all, I have been able to contact people working on the same families who have original documents that I would never have known about. But my first recommendation to any newbie who asks is always "Get a good book on how to do genealogy, and read it before you start." Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia mailto:[email protected]

Eileen: Have been reading your replies with much interest and now have a question for you about my family....are you related to the Irwin family of Petrolia area, Butler County, Pa. We have a letter written in 1970's for the Reep Family Association by Betty Irwin Parker, about the Walley Family and how they were related. She was an excellent researcher, back long before computors. I research the Walley Family. Pearl --- Eileen Irwin <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Ann, I am subscribed to several rootsweb mail > lists. I have been doing > genealogy for almost 30 years and have given much, > much more information through > the lists than I have received. I have text files > explaining the census (years > and contents), the formation of the counties of > Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West > Virginia (years formed and parent counties), early > westward migration and > expansion, etc. I have "shared" my data including > source information and > documentation. I hope I have helped many with my > posts. > > Some of those who have not done genealogy prior to > the internet have no clue how > to do research off the net, including using a map to > locate places (cities or > towns) or a dictionary (for various terms and > definitions) or even an > encyclopedia (for historical perspective). > > You are absolutely correct. It is far easier to > post a query on a mail list > than to actually do any research for yourself or to > latch on to one of the > compiled trees and have your "family" go back to 360 > A.D. > > Eileen Irwin > Mesa, AZ > > Ann Avery Hunter wrote: > > > > Eileen wrote: > > > > > I blame much of the ignorance on things/places > like Family Tree Maker; World > > > Family Tree; ancestry.com and even rootsweb. > Their priorities are selling > > > products and information and leading the novices > to believe that genealogy is > > > quick and easy. > > > > I have been doing genealogical research for over > 45 years and am definitely > > no novice, and I give thanks every day of my life > for > > Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. Face it, genealogy IS a > lot easier now > > than it used to be. I notice that you are > subscribed to a Rootseb > > mailing list :-) > > > > Ann > > -- > > Ann Avery Hunter > > Richmond, Virginia > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

It seems every list has its self appointed "experts" who can barely tolerate the sheer stupidity and incompetence of the rest of us. You know the type. They use their "knowledge" as power, to put the rest of us in our places, rather than to enlighten us. Here's a tip: Never forget that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Maybe if we just ignore the would-be experts, and I mean no response at all when they behave negatively, they may go away??? Or maybe not. In either case, it will make participation on these lists more enjoyable for the majority of us who are trying to learn something. Just a thought, Hal Stitt Born in N. Vandergrift. Now in Eugene, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watson, Linda (FRTC_NY)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] Census > For your information Betty, I have not done genealogy. I am beginning to > collect information. Instead of criticizing people who might not know where > to begin getting information, why don't you try and give them a little > direction. In the past year I have had time to briefly research about four > times on the net. There are so many sites for genealogy research that it > can be overwhelming. I have read some articles on rootsweb, such as > Genealogy 101, but have had little time to invest in this lengthy process of > research. > > But, I was able to do some things on my own, such as get the social security > numbers of my great-grandparents. To some of you that might sound trivial, > but I saw that as an exciting beginning. My goal is the same as everyone's - > I want to know about my ancestors and where they come from and how they came > to be in America. > > So, thank you to everyone who responded to Betty's comment in a positive > manner and thank you to Ann Avery Hunter for giving me the information I was > looking for. It will indeed help me begin my search! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Grafton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Census > > > Can you believe someone doing Genealogy and don't know how to get a state > census? > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > >

> never have known about. But my first recommendation > to any newbie who > asks is always "Get a good book on how to do > genealogy, and read it before > you start." Gotta tell you this is not my first recommendation. My first recommendation is talk to your parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, grandparents, etc. and see what they know before they are dead :) You can always "Learn on the job" later. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

For your information Betty, I have not done genealogy. I am beginning to collect information. Instead of criticizing people who might not know where to begin getting information, why don't you try and give them a little direction. In the past year I have had time to briefly research about four times on the net. There are so many sites for genealogy research that it can be overwhelming. I have read some articles on rootsweb, such as Genealogy 101, but have had little time to invest in this lengthy process of research. But, I was able to do some things on my own, such as get the social security numbers of my great-grandparents. To some of you that might sound trivial, but I saw that as an exciting beginning. My goal is the same as everyone's - I want to know about my ancestors and where they come from and how they came to be in America. So, thank you to everyone who responded to Betty's comment in a positive manner and thank you to Ann Avery Hunter for giving me the information I was looking for. It will indeed help me begin my search! -----Original Message----- From: Betty Grafton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Census Can you believe someone doing Genealogy and don't know how to get a state census? ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====