I'm new at this mailing list thing so bear with me. I'm looking for the family info on a Henry Spong, I believe he was born in Armstrong Co,Pa. I found him in the 1850 census at age 8 with his family. He was in the Civil war with the 103rd from Armstrong Co and died in Andersonville Prison june 1864. I am trying to find out if he was married and had children. I found somewhere where he was resided in Armstrong Co for the 1860 census on pg 534, but unable to few census. I am thinking he is an ancestor but still trying to prove it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Patti Spong Walker --- SandKey <[email protected]> wrote: > Patti, > Who are you looking for? > Deb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti Walker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:13 PM > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > I'm a stay at home mom with three daughters, which > two > > still live at home and keep me busy. But I've been > > into genealogy for 23 years. And I do alot of act > of > > kindness work. But right now I'm researching a > lead of > > someone who might be an ancestor of mine whose > family > > was in the Armstrong area around the mid 1800's. > Any > > help would be greatly appreciated > > > > Patti Spong Walker > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Patti, Who are you looking for? Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Walker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Unidentified subject! > I'm a stay at home mom with three daughters, which two > still live at home and keep me busy. But I've been > into genealogy for 23 years. And I do alot of act of > kindness work. But right now I'm researching a lead of > someone who might be an ancestor of mine whose family > was in the Armstrong area around the mid 1800's. Any > help would be greatly appreciated > > Patti Spong Walker > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >

Eileen, Thank you for your time. I have been debating about sending for pension papers, I do have his military records. I have thought that the census may not tell me a thing. Just hoping I guess. Thanks again Patti --- Eileen Irwin <[email protected]> wrote: > Patti: > > This is going to cost you a little bit of money, but > this is my best suggestion. > > My husband's great grandfather was in Co. H of the > 103 PVI. > > I found this information at: > http://users.aol.com/EvanSlaug/rosts.html > > SPAWN (SPONG), HENRY, Private, Company D. Mustered > November 13, 1861. Captured > in Plymouth, North Carolina > April 20, 1864. Andersonville Code 30497. Comrades > reported his death while in > prison. > > Andersonville Code: 30000-39999 Reportedly died at > Andersonville, but lack any > record > > Since you know in which regiment he served during > the Civil War: > > Send an e-mail to: [email protected] requesting > NATF Form 85 > > This is the form to order Military Pension file > records. Fill out the form with > as much information that you know and then send it > back. In about 6 months, you > will be notified if a Military Pension file exists > and if so will be asked to > submit your payment. Within 1-2 weeks after > remitting payment you will then > receive the file that you requested. If no file is > found, there is no charge. > Since there is a variation is spelling noted in the > above information, I would > request the records under both spellings. > > While the 1860 census MAY show a marriage, there is > an equal chance that it will > not. I had this occur in my research. > > Eileen Irwin > Mesa, AZ > > Patti Walker wrote: > > > > I'm gonna try this again, I left out info in last > > email. I am trying to gather any info on a Henry > > Spong. I am trying to prove whethter or not he > might > > be my ancestor. I found him in the 1850 Armstrong > Co. > > census he was age 8 living with his parents Kilion > age > > 43, Elizabeth age 49, Catherine age 10, Christina > age > > 6. he fought in Civil War for the 103rd Pa and > died at > > Andersonville Prison in GA. I have found that he > did > > reside in Armstrong co during the 1860 census but > > unable to view those census he's on page 534. I am > > hoping to find out if he was married and had > children > > before he died. anything would be greatly > appreciated > > Patti Spong Walker > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Patti: This is going to cost you a little bit of money, but this is my best suggestion. My husband's great grandfather was in Co. H of the 103 PVI. I found this information at: http://users.aol.com/EvanSlaug/rosts.html SPAWN (SPONG), HENRY, Private, Company D. Mustered November 13, 1861. Captured in Plymouth, North Carolina April 20, 1864. Andersonville Code 30497. Comrades reported his death while in prison. Andersonville Code: 30000-39999 Reportedly died at Andersonville, but lack any record Since you know in which regiment he served during the Civil War: Send an e-mail to: [email protected] requesting NATF Form 85 This is the form to order Military Pension file records. Fill out the form with as much information that you know and then send it back. In about 6 months, you will be notified if a Military Pension file exists and if so will be asked to submit your payment. Within 1-2 weeks after remitting payment you will then receive the file that you requested. If no file is found, there is no charge. Since there is a variation is spelling noted in the above information, I would request the records under both spellings. While the 1860 census MAY show a marriage, there is an equal chance that it will not. I had this occur in my research. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ Patti Walker wrote: > > I'm gonna try this again, I left out info in last > email. I am trying to gather any info on a Henry > Spong. I am trying to prove whethter or not he might > be my ancestor. I found him in the 1850 Armstrong Co. > census he was age 8 living with his parents Kilion age > 43, Elizabeth age 49, Catherine age 10, Christina age > 6. he fought in Civil War for the 103rd Pa and died at > Andersonville Prison in GA. I have found that he did > reside in Armstrong co during the 1860 census but > unable to view those census he's on page 534. I am > hoping to find out if he was married and had children > before he died. anything would be greatly appreciated > Patti Spong Walker > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net

I'm gonna try this again, I left out info in last email. I am trying to gather any info on a Henry Spong. I am trying to prove whethter or not he might be my ancestor. I found him in the 1850 Armstrong Co. census he was age 8 living with his parents Kilion age 43, Elizabeth age 49, Catherine age 10, Christina age 6. he fought in Civil War for the 103rd Pa and died at Andersonville Prison in GA. I have found that he did reside in Armstrong co during the 1860 census but unable to view those census he's on page 534. I am hoping to find out if he was married and had children before he died. anything would be greatly appreciated Patti Spong Walker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

I'm a stay at home mom with three daughters, which two still live at home and keep me busy. But I've been into genealogy for 23 years. And I do alot of act of kindness work. But right now I'm researching a lead of someone who might be an ancestor of mine whose family was in the Armstrong area around the mid 1800's. Any help would be greatly appreciated Patti Spong Walker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:11 AM Subject: PAARMSTR-D Digest V01 #181

In a message dated 07/10/2001 7:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Hi, Just to let you all know the Armstrong County Historical Museum and Genealogical Society has a Genealogical Library. The address is The Mildred Lankerd-Thomas Genealogical Library P O Box 735, 300 North McKean Street, Kittanning, PA 16201-1345. 724-548-5707 The library is open 12 - 4 Tues. Wed., and Thursday. Connie Mateer is the librarian and she has a great staff. She and the staff there will do research for you for about $8.00 per hour. They have a lot of major sources there and they are close to the courthouse, too. Connie has written several books. They have all kinds of family histories, cemetery records, obits, early newspaper abstracts, as well as complete Armstrong county census. I have used them several times and have found them quite helpful. Linda Mockenhaupt at [email protected] works there also. Just remember the library is funded by donations when you ask for help. Irene D'Amato in Maryland >>

Yes, The first Census as taken in 1790 and every 10 years thereafter, 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. At the Census Bureau, it's called the "decennial census" from the Latin Deca meaning 10. Alice Gayley Ortzs wrote: > Will someone tell me what years there was a census? > > I am trying to find Patrick Dwyer (b. abt 1845), said to have been living in the Brady's Bend /East Brady area with his wife Elizabeth Wiles. > > Was there a census before 1880? > > Michelle > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====

Irene, Thank you for your suggestion about putting a piece of acid-free paper between the pages of my old photo album. That's a great suggestion! Mickey [email protected] Mickey's Roll Call Mania Web Page http://mickey.pa-roots.com Mickey's Genealogy Web Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/3027

Might I suggest that you get some acid free paper and put a piece between each of the pages. Some of the old albums had so much acid in them the litterly ate the pictures. That way the next few generations will get the same feelings you have with the family. I envy you all the pictures. Enjoy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Cendrowski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Sharing a Positive Story > Just thought that I would take the time to write about a personal > experience of mine, that perhaps may inspire others in their own > genealogical journeys. > > About a year and a half ago my Dad died. When my brother and sisters > went to clear out his small apartment we found some old family photos > that my Dad had saved sitting in a suitcase by the door. > > These were photos that my Grandparents had when they were alive. > > Almost every photo was just loose, lying in the suitcase, with no > information on them at all to identify any of the individuals. > > After briefly looking through these photos, I put them aside, as it > was just too much to deal with emotionally. > > Then about a week ago I happened upon an old 1927 photo album that had > never been used. It looked brand new and came complete with about 8 > packages of those small black corners used for mounting the photos. > > When I inquired at the yard sale about the price, the lady said that > she only wanted a buck for it. > > Needless to say I bought the album. > > And as life would happen to be, my van broke down and had to go in for > repairs so I was stuck at home today with no transportation and no > Internet because I had to keep the phone lines open for the car > dealership. > > What to do with a full day at home. > > Well, today I took out those pictures that my Dad had kept that used > to belong to his Mom and I gave them all a place in this new album > that I bought. > > Looks just like it was Grandma's now. > > Tomorrow I will work on making sure that everyone is identified, then > the album will be complete. > > While I can't bring my Dad or my Grandparents back, at least I can do > something by doing this album for them, so that they may not be > forgotten. > > I had to do this as the next generation after me would not know the > majority of these people. > > It was something that had to be done and I am happy that I have at > least now done this much. > > Perhaps many of you are in the same situation. Sometimes it is hard > going back and looking at pictures of those who have died, but know > that this is something that in time you too may be able to do. > > So instead of feeling sorry for myself, because of van troubles and > being stranded at home, I took the day to do something for those who > came before me. > > Grandma would be proud of me! > > Thank you all for lettting me share this story with you. > > And, yes, I also cried too! > > Mickey > [email protected] > > Mickey's Roll Call Mania Web Page > http://mickey.pa-roots.com > > Mickey's Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/3027 > > ______________________________

Michelle The federal government has conducted a census every ten years, beginning in 1790. The most recent census available to researchers is the 1920 census. (Wait awhile and they will release the 1930 census.) Each census saw the collection of slightly different information. However, the first six, those taken in 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1830 and 1840, were alike in listing the head of the household by name, but enumerated the other householders without indication of given name or surname. The later ones, those taken in 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920 listed each person in the household by name, a significant advantage to researchers. Please note that 1890 is not included. There are surviving portions of that census, but it was largely lost to fire damage followed by a failure to preserve most of what did survive the fire. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ortzs <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] census years | Will someone tell me what years there was a census? | | I am trying to find Patrick Dwyer (b. abt 1845), said to have been living in the Brady's Bend /East Brady area with his wife Elizabeth Wiles. | | Was there a census before 1880? | | Michelle | | | ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== | | |

If I remember correctly there was quite a *debate* last week about someone not knowing how to find info on a state census. These forums are to help and educate. If people do not take the time and initiative to read the information that is posted and to educate themselves about genealogy then they are wasting everybody's time. Eileen Irwin posted the following information to this list two days ago. The first United States census was taken in 1790. It asked for the name of the head of household; the number of free white males 16 & up including the head of the family; the number of free white males under 16; the number of free white females including the head of the family; all other persons; slaves. The 1800 and 1810 census asked for this information, the name of the head of family; the number of free white males-under 10; 10-16; 16-26; 26-45; 45 & over; free white females-under 10; 10-16; 16-26; 26-45; 45 & over; all others; slaves. The 1820 census asked for this information, the name of the head of the family; the number of free white males- under 10; 10-16; 16-18; 16-26; 26-45; 45 and over; free white females- under 10; 10-16; 16-26; 26-45; 45 and over; Foreigners not naturalized; agriculture; commerce; manufacturers; free colored; slaves. Note that there is a redundancy in the free white males of 16-18 and 16-26. The 1830 and the 1840 census asked for this information, the name of the head of family; the number of free white males- under 5; 5-10; 10-15; 15-20; 20-30; 30-40; 40-50; 50-60; 60-70; 70-80; 80-90; 90-100; over 100; free white females- under 5; 5-10; 10-15; 15-20; 20-30; 30-40; 40-50; 50-60; 60-70; 70-80; 80-90; 90-100; over 100; Slaves; Free colored; Foreigners not naturalized. The 1850 census asked for this information, the name; age; sex; color; occupation; value of real estate; birthplace; married within the year; attended school within the year; cannot read or write of each member of the household. The 1860 census asked for this information, the name; age; sex; color; occupation; value of real estate; value of personal property; birthplace; married in the year; attended school in the year; can't read or write of each member of the household. The 1870 census asked for this information for each member of the household, the name; age; sex; color; occupation; value of real estate; value of personal property; birthplace; Father foreign born; Mother foreign born; Month if born in the year; month if married in the year; attended school in the year; can't read or write; eligible to vote. The 1880 census asked for this information for each member of the household, the name; color; sex; age prior to June 1st; month of birth if born in the census year; relationship to head of household; single; married; widowed; divorced; married in the year; occupation; cannot read or write; place of birth; place of birth of father; place of birth of mother. Most of the 1890 census was destroyed in a fire, so very little information is available. From http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/census/1790-1890/part8.html Part 8: 1890 Census Schedules Eleventh Census of the United States, 1890. M407. 3 rolls. Most of the 1890 population schedules were badly damaged by fire in the Commerce Department Building in January 1921. The extant schedules are numbered and noted at the end of rolls 1-3 below. 1. ALABAMA, Perry County (Perryville Beat No.11 and Severe Beat No. 8) [fragments 1-455] 2. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, Q, 13th, 14th, R, Q, Corcoran, 15th, S, R, and Riggs Streets, Johnson Avenue, and S Street [fragments 456-781] 3. GEORGIA, Muscogee County (Columbus); ILLINOIS, McDonough County (Mound Twp.); MINNESOTA, Wright County (Rockford); NEW JERSEY, Hudson County (Jersey City); NEW YORK, Westchester County, (Eastchester); and Suffolk County (Brookhaven Twp.); NORTH CAROLINA, Gaston County (South Point Twp. and River Bend Twp.) and Cleveland County (Twp. No. 2); OHIO, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Clinton County (Wayne Twp.); SOUTH DAKOTA, Union County (Jefferson Twp.); TEXAS, Ellis County (J.P. No. 6, Mountain Peak, and Ovilla Precinct), Hood County (Precinct No. 5), Rusk County (No. 6 and J.P. No. 7), Trinity County (Trinity Town and Precinct No. 2) and Kaufman County (Kaufman) [fragments 782-1,233] Index to the Eleventh Census of the United States, 1890. M496. 2 rolls. 16-mm. This name index covers the few extant 1890 population schedules. Numbers on the cards match those listed at the end of rolls 1-3 of M407 above. 1. A-J 2. K-Z The 1900 census asked for this information, the name of each person whose place of abode on June 1, 1900 was in this family, relationship to head of family; color; sex; month of birth; year of birth; age; single, married, widowed, divorced; Number of years married; Mother of how many children; Number of these children living; Place of birth; Place of birth of father; place of birth of mother; Year of immigration to U.S.; Number of years in U.S.; Naturalized; occupation type; number of months not employed; number of months attended school; can read; can write; can speak English; Home owned or rented; Home owned free or mortgaged. The 1910 census asked for this information, the name of each person whose place of abode on April 15, 1910, was in this family; relationship to head of family; sex; race; age; marital status; number of years married; Mother of how many children; No. of these children living; Place of birth; Place of birth of father; Place of birth of mother; Year of immigration to U.S.; Naturalized or alien; Language spoken; occupation; nature of trade; employer, worker, or own account; no. of months not employed; can read and write; attending school; owned or rented property; owned free or mortgaged property; farm or house; veteran of Civil War; Blind or handicapped. The 1920 census asked for this information, name of each person whose place of abode on January 1, 1920, was in this family; relationship to head of family; home owned or rented; owned free or mortgaged; sex; color or race; age; marital status; Year of immigration to U.S.; Naturalized or alien; Year of naturalization; attending school; can read and write; Place of birth; mother tongue; Father's place of birth; mother tongue; Mother's place of birth; mother tongue; can speak English. The 1930 census will be available after April 1, 2002. The privacy act prohibits releasing census data to the public for 72 years. The 1930 census asked 32 questions about each person: Place of Abode 1. Street, avenue, road, etc. 2. House number (in cities or towns) 3. Number of dwelling house in order of visitation [this number supplied by census taker]. 4. Number of family in order of visitation [this number supplied by census taker]. Name 5. Name of each person whose place of abode on April 1, 1930, was in this family. Relation 6. Relationship of this person to the head of the family. Home Data 7. Home owned or rented. 8. Value of home, if owned, or monthly rental, if rented. 9. Radio set. 10. Does this family live on a farm? Personal Description 11. Sex. 12. Color or race [White (W), Negro (Neg), Mexican (Mex), Indian (In), Chinese (Ch), Japanese (Jp), Filipino (Fil), Hindu (Hin), Korean (Kor), other races spelled out in full.] 13. Age at last birthday. 14. Marital condition. [Single (S), married (M), widowed (Wd), divorced (D).] 15. Age at first marriage. Education 16. Attended school or college any time since Sept. 1, 1929. 17. Whether able to read and write. Place of birth 18. Place of birth--PERSON. 19. Place of birth--FATHER. 20. Place of birth--MOTHER. Mother Tongue (or Native Language) of Foreign Born 21. Language spoken in home before coming to the United States. Here follows 3 columns of "CODE (For office use only. Do not write in these columns)" relating to "State or M.T. [mother tongue]," "Country," and "Nativity." These codes were entered to assist in statistical tabulation and do not provide any information beyond that found in columns 18-21. Citizenship, etc. 22. Year of immigration to the United States. 23. Naturalization. 24. Whether able to speak English. Occupation & Industry 25. Trade, profession, or particular kind of work done, as spinner, salesman, riveter, teacher, etc. 26. Industry or business, as cotton mill, dry-goods store, shipyard, public school, etc. 27. Class of worker. Employment 28. Whether actually at work yesterday (or the last regular working day)--Yes or No 29. If not, line number on Unemployment Schedule. Veterans 30. Whether a veteran of U.S. military or naval force--Yes or No. 31. What war or expedition? [World War (WW), Spanish-American War (Sp), Civil War (Civ), Philippine Insurrection (Phil), Boxer Rebellion (Box), Mexican Expedition (Mex)]. Farm Schedule 32. Number of farm schedule. [Farm schedules no longer exist]. Hope this helps. <tm. Eileen Mesa, AZ NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====

Yes, 1850, 1860 and 1870 are all available. Karen ---------- > From: Ortzs <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] census years > Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:27 PM > > Will someone tell me what years there was a census? > > I am trying to find Patrick Dwyer (b. abt 1845), said to have been living in the Brady's Bend /East Brady area with his wife Elizabeth Wiles. > > Was there a census before 1880? > > Michelle > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== >

Census years are 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880, 1890 is pretty much lost, 1900, 1910, 1920 and soon to come 1930. For Armstrong County you won't find anything prior to 1800. Before that,some of what is now Armstrong County was included in Westmoreland County (the southern part) and the northern part seems to have been part of Lycoming county in 1798, but Northumberland in 1790. The far western part of Armstrong County was included in Allegheny County after being dome of the Depreciation lands. Any census prior to 1850 will have VERY minimal information. Linda Mockenhaupt

Will someone tell me what years there was a census? I am trying to find Patrick Dwyer (b. abt 1845), said to have been living in the Brady's Bend /East Brady area with his wife Elizabeth Wiles. Was there a census before 1880? Michelle

Hello Everyone. I had some computer problems and had to get a new hard drive. And somehow during this I lost all of my email addresses. So if you are waiting to hear from me, please resend a message. Or just send a message so I can pick up your email address! Will be out of town starting tomorrow and will be back early next week. (Am coming to PA!) Thanks for all your help. Alice Gayley

Don: Thanks, now I don't have to repost it. LOL Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ Don Lloyd wrote: > > If I remember correctly there was quite a *debate* last week about someone > not knowing how to find info on a state census. > These forums are to help and educate. If people do not take the time and > initiative to read the information that is posted and to educate themselves > about genealogy then they are wasting everybody's time. > > Eileen Irwin posted the following information to this list two days ago. > > The first United States census was taken in 1790. It asked for the name > of the head of household; the number of free white males 16 & up > including the head of the family; the number of free white males under > 16; the number of free white females including the head of the family; > all other persons; slaves. > > The 1800 and 1810 census asked for this information, the name of the > head of family; the number of free white males-under 10; 10-16; 16-26; > 26-45; 45 & over; free white females-under 10; 10-16; 16-26; 26-45; 45 > & over; all others; slaves. > > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net

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Is Queenstown near Kittanning? I didn't see it on a map? My ancestors, as I have been told traveled up the Alleghany....that is why I am looking for the Catholic church that would have been before St. Patrick's in Brady's Bend. Thanks for the help Michelle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: PAARMSTR-D Digest V01 #179