Hi Charles, In your Morrison research have you come across the following family? My Chaney line lived in the Tidal area, Armstrong Co. The following is all the information I have on Anna - would like to learn more. I don't know her birth or death date, if she moved to Ohio or if her family moved there after her death. Her parents, John Chaney and Suphronia Myers, married about 1858. My Chaney line comes from her brother, William Wallace Chaney. Thanks, Lona [email protected] WILLIAM B1 MORRISON He married ANNA L CHANEY, daughter of JOHN CHANEY and SUPHRONIA MYERS. She was born in Pa., and died Bef. 1898. More About WILLIAM B MORRISON: Residence: May 1901, Clark County, Ohio Children of WILLIAM MORRISON and ANNA CHANEY are: i. WADE ARDELL2 MORRISON. ii. CHRISTOPHER FLOYD MORRISON, m. (1) UNKNOWN; m. (2) BLANCH UNKNOWN. > > I have had several responses to my request for a lookup in these with no > results. There were other questions however so I am posting this to the > entire list. > > I have finally decided to start researching my Western Pennsylvania > Ancestors. > > This is regarding the family of James B Morrison, blacksmith. The family > appears in the Sugar Creek Township in 1860 and in East Franklin in 1870. > In that family is Nancy Morrison age 13 in 1860 who married 1865 in Bradys > Bend a William Penberthy. My ancestors. > > The death record for Nancy, 1926, completed by son James b.1856, said she > was 79 and born in Armstrong Co and that her father was James B Morrison and > mother was Rebecca Schreder. (secondary information!) I have been unable to > locate an 1850 census record. > > The 1860 record is the correct one because the children's names are > mentioned in later family letters. The mother in the 1860 record is a Mary > Ann which is a long way from Rebecca unless it is a second marriage. > > I have looked at census records for all Morrisons in Armstrong 1850 and all > J / James Morrisons in Armstrong, Venango and Butler Co. The James Morrison > in Bradys Bend page 032 in 1850 is not the correct person. I suspect he was > called James B Morrison to differentiate from the other James Morrison. > > I did notice in the will indexes as listing for a James Morrison for 1892 so > I will pursue that next. Next stop the local FHC for land, will, court and > church records. > > I go back to Atlantic City for vacation each year and spend 1-2 days > researching at the Historic Society of Pennsylvania. Last trip I saw they > had a number of rolls of bible records from Armstrong so I will put in a day > there. > > I have looked at spelling variations of Morrison, Morris, Morisson, > Morrissonn etc. I am about halfway through the line by line examination of > the 1850 Armstrong census but don't believe I will find everything. > > More information can be found on my web page which is still at > www.fastlane.net/~johnh . > > This will be moved soon because fastlane threw out all us dial up customers. > I can always be reached now at [email protected] > >

I have had several responses to my request for a lookup in these with no results. There were other questions however so I am posting this to the entire list. I have finally decided to start researching my Western Pennsylvania Ancestors. This is regarding the family of James B Morrison, blacksmith. The family appears in the Sugar Creek Township in 1860 and in East Franklin in 1870. In that family is Nancy Morrison age 13 in 1860 who married 1865 in Bradys Bend a William Penberthy. My ancestors. The death record for Nancy, 1926, completed by son James b.1856, said she was 79 and born in Armstrong Co and that her father was James B Morrison and mother was Rebecca Schreder. (secondary information!) I have been unable to locate an 1850 census record. The 1860 record is the correct one because the children's names are mentioned in later family letters. The mother in the 1860 record is a Mary Ann which is a long way from Rebecca unless it is a second marriage. I have looked at census records for all Morrisons in Armstrong 1850 and all J / James Morrisons in Armstrong, Venango and Butler Co. The James Morrison in Bradys Bend page 032 in 1850 is not the correct person. I suspect he was called James B Morrison to differentiate from the other James Morrison. I did notice in the will indexes as listing for a James Morrison for 1892 so I will pursue that next. Next stop the local FHC for land, will, court and church records. I go back to Atlantic City for vacation each year and spend 1-2 days researching at the Historic Society of Pennsylvania. Last trip I saw they had a number of rolls of bible records from Armstrong so I will put in a day there. I have looked at spelling variations of Morrison, Morris, Morisson, Morrissonn etc. I am about halfway through the line by line examination of the 1850 Armstrong census but don't believe I will find everything. More information can be found on my web page which is still at www.fastlane.net/~johnh . This will be moved soon because fastlane threw out all us dial up customers. I can always be reached now at [email protected]

I am Don from Armstrong Co. Manor Twp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gayley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Lost Addresses > Hello Everyone. > > I had some computer problems and had to get a new hard drive. > And somehow during this I lost all of my email addresses. So > if you are waiting to hear from me, please resend a message. > Or just send a message so I can pick up your email address! > > Will be out of town starting tomorrow and will be back early > next week. (Am coming to PA!) > > Thanks for all your help. > > Alice Gayley > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >

Linda, Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/. You may also want to join the Stewart mail list. It's also accessable from that webpage. BTW, the Stewarts of Indiana, Indiana Co are the family of Jimmy Stewart, the actor. Jimmy's father had a hardware store in downtown Indiana (city). There is a story that Jimmy's Oscar was in the front window of the hardware store for years. >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:55:40 -0700 >From: "Watson, Linda (FRTC_NY)" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Indiana County > >Can anyone tell me if there is list similar to this one for Indiana County. > >I was researching my family in Armstrong County, but now think my >gg-grandfather lived in Indiana first. My grandmother once told me she used >to visit some family in Indiana as a child, so I do think the Robet Stewart >in the 1880 Indiana Census is my gg-grandfather. The age is right. I am >now baffled as to why he has a different last name as the people who are >listed with him and don't know what my next step should be. If any of you >have any connections to Stewart's or Kerr's from Indiana, please contact me. > >Thanks! > >Linda Watson >[email protected] >(800) 541-0556 x7917 > > >Armstrong Co, PA 1910 >ED 11, Fam. 150 > >Robert A. Stewart 46 Head born in PA >Maggie " 46 Wife " >James T. " 12 Son " >Robert M. " 6 Son " > > >1880 Federal Census, Indiana County, Pennsylvania: >p. 197: >James Kerr, age 60, born Ireland >Sarah, age 60, wife, born PA >M.J., age 24, daughter, born PA >Sarah, age 17, daughter, born PA >Robert Stewart, age 15, born PA > -- mailto:[email protected]

Bev: Yes, back roads are dangerous, the only way to drive is very slow and easy, and watch for any anther vehicles. The strip mines destroyed so many of the local roads. Pearl --- [email protected] wrote: > Anyone going to Queenstown on that old rt 68 (I > think) between Petrolia and > Bradys Bend) be very careful especially if it rains. > We went over it couple > years ago and all of a sudden found ourselves a 180 > turn and onto the other > side of the road and a truck just missed us. It is > slick and curvy, but > beautiful. Made a stop at a house and found a cousin > Conner there. Just a > note to all. Bev., Ohio > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Interested in the MARKLE family of Armstrong County, specifically any children of Jonathan and Eva. Linda

Can anyone tell me if there is list similar to this one for Indiana County. I was researching my family in Armstrong County, but now think my gg-grandfather lived in Indiana first. My grandmother once told me she used to visit some family in Indiana as a child, so I do think the Robet Stewart in the 1880 Indiana Census is my gg-grandfather. The age is right. I am now baffled as to why he has a different last name as the people who are listed with him and don't know what my next step should be. If any of you have any connections to Stewart's or Kerr's from Indiana, please contact me. Thanks! Linda Watson [email protected] (800) 541-0556 x7917 Armstrong Co, PA 1910 ED 11, Fam. 150 Robert A. Stewart 46 Head born in PA Maggie " 46 Wife " James T. " 12 Son " Robert M. " 6 Son " 1880 Federal Census, Indiana County, Pennsylvania: p. 197: James Kerr, age 60, born Ireland Sarah, age 60, wife, born PA M.J., age 24, daughter, born PA Sarah, age 17, daughter, born PA Robert Stewart, age 15, born PA

A poor choice of words. The web site data did not have anything I was looking for and the person whose name is on the Armstrong Co Genweb site who offered to do lookups did not respond. John -----Original Message----- From: Eileen Irwin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages John: What do you mean by your statement that you didn't get any response from those? Do you mean that the people for whom you are looking were not listed on the lists? There are very, very few civil records of births, deaths and marriages for this time period. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ John Hogg wrote: > > I didn't get any response from those > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred H. Held [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:40 PM > To: [email protected]; John Hogg > Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > > John, > > Some of those data are on the Armstrong Co website > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treasures/arm/). > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:24:08 -0500 > >From: "John Hogg" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > > > >Does anyone have ready access to these records and will do a lookup? > > > -- > mailto:[email protected] > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====

Anyone going to Queenstown on that old rt 68 (I think) between Petrolia and Bradys Bend) be very careful especially if it rains. We went over it couple years ago and all of a sudden found ourselves a 180 turn and onto the other side of the road and a truck just missed us. It is slick and curvy, but beautiful. Made a stop at a house and found a cousin Conner there. Just a note to all. Bev., Ohio

MONDAY, July 16, 2001 Last day to get in on the discounted registration for the Federation of Genealogical Societies conference to be held in Davenport, Iowa, September 11-15, 2001. Please see www.fgs.org for more information on the multitude of lectures and over 100 vendors. Admission to the vendor hall is free. &&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&& TUESDAY, JULY 17, 2001 Italian Heritage Day at Kennywood Amusement park, Pittsburgh, PA &&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&& TUESDAY, JULY 17, 2001 at 7 P.M. North Hills Genealogists will hold its regular third-Tuesday meeting at the Northland Public Library, 300 Cumberland Road, (McCandless Township), Pittsburgh, PA 15237 "WERE YOUR ANCESTORS CITIZENS? A LOOK AT NATURALIZATION", by Ms. Lesle Dunn . Where your immigrant ancestors citizens? Lesle Dunn will discuss reasons for why your immigrant ancestors may or may not have become citizens of this country. She will provide a look at the Naturalization process and its changes over the years, describe the records it has generated, and direct us to where those records may be found. Ms. Dunn is the Head of Techical Services for Shaler North Hills Library and has been involved in genealogy for over 30 years. A past president of the Western Pennsylvania Genealogical Society, she has been WPGS library chairperson for a "long time" and is responsible for the online WPGS catalog. The meeting is free and open to the public. North Hills Genealogists meets every month on the third Tuesday at the Northland Public Library. A newsletter is available for a subscription of $12. ($10 if postmarked by July 31.) Free queries and subscriptions can be sent to the address above. Sorry we cannot mail handouts if there are any. &&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&& TUESDAY, August 21 at 7 p.m. THE ETHNIC EXPERIENCE IN LAWRENCEVILLE by James Wudarczyk In his talk Mr. Wudarczyk will illustrate how the various ethnic groups were instrumental in shaping the Lawrenceville community. Injecting amusing stories, he will show how one Pittsburgh neighborhood reflected national trends. Since many families in the Greater Pittsburgh Metropolitan area can trace their roots to the historic community of Lawrenceville, the lecture will also focus on available resources for genealogical research and address what the historic communities must do to preserve the records of the past. The presentation will also trace the area from a struggling village in a rural area in 1826 with a population of 200 to a metropolitan community in 1900 with between 30,000 and 33,000 residents. While historical events will be mixed into the lecture, most of the talk will focus on how the English, Irish, Swedes, Germans, Polish, Solvenians and other ethnic groups built churches, fraternal organizations and founded newspapers. Also, the heyday of ethnicity prior to WW II will be discussed, as will be causes that led to the decline of ethnic identification in more recent times. Exhibits will supplement the presentation. Sorry we cannot mail handouts if there are any. Mr. Wudarczyk is author of the book PITTSBURGH'S FORGOTTEN ALLEGHENY ARSENAL, co-author of the book MONSTER ON THE ALLEGHENY AND OTHER LAWRENCEVILLE STORIES and author of the booklet HISTORICAL SITES AND LOST LANDMARKS OF LAWRENCEVILLE'S SIXTH WARD. His articles have appeared in the WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA HISTORICAL MAGAZINE, PITTSBURGH HISTORY AND LANDMARKS FOUNDATION NEWSLETTER, and many small publications and newsletters. He is a frequent lecturer and has designed several tours of the Lawrenceville area. &&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&& SATURDAY, September 1, 2001 at 10 a.m. to noon POINTERs in Pittsburgh meeting: Anyone interested in their Italian roots is welcome to come held at the Allegheny Intermediate Unit, 1400 Penn Avenue, Suite 201, Pittsburgh, PA 15222-4332. For more information, email [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I didn't get any response from those John -----Original Message----- From: Fred H. Held [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:40 PM To: [email protected]; John Hogg Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages John, Some of those data are on the Armstrong Co website (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treasures/arm/). >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:24:08 -0500 >From: "John Hogg" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > >Does anyone have ready access to these records and will do a lookup? > -- mailto:[email protected]

John, Some of those data are on the Armstrong Co website (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treasures/arm/). >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:24:08 -0500 >From: "John Hogg" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > >Does anyone have ready access to these records and will do a lookup? > -- mailto:[email protected]

John: What do you mean by your statement that you didn't get any response from those? Do you mean that the people for whom you are looking were not listed on the lists? There are very, very few civil records of births, deaths and marriages for this time period. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ John Hogg wrote: > > I didn't get any response from those > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred H. Held [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:40 PM > To: [email protected]; John Hogg > Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > > John, > > Some of those data are on the Armstrong Co website > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treasures/arm/). > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:24:08 -0500 > >From: "John Hogg" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] 1852-1855 Births, Deaths, Marriages > > > >Does anyone have ready access to these records and will do a lookup? > > > -- > mailto:[email protected] > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net

I have the following original obits available from the Indiana Gazette. If you are interested in one, please send a SASE to the address below. Requests for all of one surname will NOT be honored. This is all about sharing with others. Please be considerate of others! PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME OR THE LIST! Sonya Stewart 186 47th Street Pittsburgh, PA 15201 William R "Billy" Bobinko George Bocz Eugene W "Beaner" Bodenhorn Steve A Bodnar Pearl C Compton Boesman Eugene Vincent Boggio Lewis John Boggio Mary Alberti Boggio Edward C Bonus Helen Maihan Bohn George Bokash Peter Bokash, Jr Peter Bolic Alberta L Meidinger Bolinger William F Bollinger, III Delores Rosetta Whitemore Bollinger Elaine G Shultz Bolvin Pauline E Bombulie Anna Socol Bonacci Fred Bonadio Jake F Bonanno Joseph A Bonanno Bictoria Perry Bonarrigo Joseph Bondra, Jr Michael Bondra Peter Bondra, Jr Also "Buff" Bonfili Frencesca Vidano Bongianino Mary Leone Bongiovanni Carmella Colella Bonnoni Gertrude J Godfrey Boogher Edna L Gerhardt Boone Russel C Booser Gerald E Boothman Leah M Bordner Dorotha Sickenberger Boren Mildred LaVerne Anderson Borgden Barbara Mae Tompkins Boring Donald Eugene Boring Donald Lynn Boring George H Boring Gregory Allen Boring Harry Clyde Boring Kenneth M Boring Melvin H "Jess" Boring Merit E Boring Morris F Boring Orville Albert Boring Robert W "Jiggs" Boring, Sr Seward Blair Boring Tessie W Shilling Boring Vinnie Jane Penrose Boring Viola I Rose Boring William H Boring James Harold Borland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

I have the following original obits available from the Indiana Gazette. If you are interested in one, please send a SASE to the address below. PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME OR THE LIST! Sonya Stewart 186 47th Street Pittsburgh, PA 15201 Robert Scott Been Owen C Boring William James Brooks Grey Arthur Buterbaugh, Jr Lenora Inez Deyarmin Charles L Hendricks Charles D "Duckie" James, Jr. Mildred "Bit" Willis Jarvis Fred Edmund Judeich, Sr Esther Belle Helgert Kelly Margaret Mary Stuart Kline John J Kochanowski, Jr August "Augie" Audulf Lundburg Bradley C Lockard Quay W Marsh Harry S Marshall Bertha V Reefer (Emory) Meyers Alelaide Coleman Millen Helen Marie Mutchka Ruth Miller Palmer Janis Ann Yarkowski Petras Dr. James B Reid Tonya A Beckett Sconish John Segal Rev. Elvin B Sharp Marybelle T Thomas Sinnamond Lawrence E Stephens Charles Lowry Strong, Jr Ralph C Sweithelm, Jr Hazel Wesenberg Paul W Winkelman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Does anyone have ready access to these records and will do a lookup?

I have an article and picture of the Catholic church in Sugarcreek Twp. It is the St. Patrick's Church. There is also a song by the Donegal Immigrants. Anyone wanting a copy of it can contact me and I will send it to them. My e-mail is [email protected] Sue _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hello to all. I have had a genealogical breakthrough in the past few weeks. I have found a MISSING member of my HAWK branch of my family (and wife and family) in Goochland Co., VA. This is the line I am speaking of: David b. 14 June 1820 (reportedly by some as 26 May 1823) Armstrong Co., PA; d. 25 Dec 1876, Indiana Co., PA; m. Esther JOHN b. abt. 1824/1827? Washington twp., Armstrong Co PA; d. 1892/1895? Armstrong Co. PA, washington twp, ?; (**Esther re-married one of her cousins a Martin JOHN after David died.**) ...William Henry HAWK b. May 1844, Armstrong or Indiana Co., PA; d.? in Goochland Co., VA; m. Nancy Ann LOWMASTER, b. 22 Aug 1851, Canoe Twp.,Indiana CO PA; d. abt 1918? Goochland CO., VA; They had these 10 children: Charles R. HAWK b. ca 1879? Armstrong CO PA; d. Goochland CO VA; Charlotta (Lottie?, Lotta?) HAWK b. ca 1879?; d. VA or PA?; Lena HAWK b. ca 1879 ?; d. ?; William HAWK b. ca. 1879?; d. Goochland VA David b. ca. 1879?; d. Goochland Sara HAWK b. ca. 1879?; d. Goochland VA/Arm. CO PA?; Robert HAWK b. Dec 1881 Goochland VA; d. Same; Frank HAWK b. Oct 1885, Goochland VA; d. same; Clark HAWK b. Aug 1886, Goochland VA; d. same; George HAWK, b. April 1890; d. same; William and Nancy listed above moved to Goochland Co. VA from Armstrong Co. PA. William is the brother to my 2nd Gr/Grandfather John Martin HAWK (m. Anna/Ann Eliza BOWSER). I have met some of the descendants of William and Nancy here in VA. They live about an hour and a half from my home area. One of my cousins of William's line (and his wife), will be traveling to Armstrong County the weekend of July 22 and 23 and possibly into the next week. Are any of you of the line of David HAWK (George HAWK, JR.; George HAWK, SR.) and/or Esther JOHN (Martin JOHN, JR.; Martin JOHN, SR.; also of the line of: Matthias SR. and JR. BAUSSER/BOWSER) listed above? If so, do ANY of you still live in Armstrong Co. and could perhaps show my cousin and wife around the area? My cousin doesn't know I have asked this question to our list, just thought I would try to help him out. Please reply to me off list at: [email protected] One question from me: Do ANY of you know possibly, where Esther JOHN daughter of Martin JOHN, JR. and Mary CRISMAN/CRISSMAN is buried? She married her cousin, Martin JOHN (John JOHN; Martin JOHN, SR.) after David died. She was supposed to have died in Washington Twp., Armstrong CO. Thank you in advance, Melissa (Watson) Grand-daughter(s) of: George HAWK, SR; George HAWK, JR; David HAWK; John Martin HAWK, Benjamin S. HAWK, SR; Benjamin HAWK, JR.; also of Matthias SR and JR BAUSSER/BOWSER three different lines back to them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Listers, Sorry if you get this more than once as I am sending a copy to my lists :o) Found this in the March 6, 1903 Tarentum Telegram (it cost 3 cents) (A huge TY to David!!) Creighton & Hite: A surprise birthday party was given at the resident of SORBY SMITH last Saturday evening in honor of the 20th birthday anniversary of his son AUGUST. A most enjoyable time was had by the participants. WILLIAM SCHNEITZINGER and ROBERT FINLEY furnished the music, and a lively dance was indulged in. Those present were CURTIS SNAIR, JOHN ROWLES, WILLIAM PIFER, HARRY SMITH, FRANK SMITH, AUGUST SMITH, MISSES ANNIE AND AMELIA SCHNEITZINGER, CORA SNAIR, HULDA SNAIR, SADIE FINLEY, BESSIE and BERTHA SMITH. Sorby Smith was gg grandfather August was grandfather August, Harry & Frank were sons of Sorby Curtis, Cora and Hulda Snair were brothers and sisters. August Smith and Hulda Snair were married July 2, 1903 I copied part of the page this was on and we all had a chuckle with what all is on the page. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Looking for any information on Charles and Sarah "Sadie" MOSS and their children: Townsend and Luella (or Nora) MOSS living in the Cadogan/Ford City/Kittanning area around the turn of the century. Charles died in the 1890s and the 1900 Armstrong Co (Kittanning Twp) census lists Sarah as the wife of Franklin FASSTER? with her children in that household. Have recently found the cemetery (Bethel Evangelical Lutheran Cemetery on Alt. 66) containing Charles, Townsend and wife Frances, Luella and husband Fred Aubrey. Wondering whatever happened to Sarah "Sadie." Would love to connect with their descendants. Ruth in NC.