Shelly - A genealogist knows to strike while the iron is hot! I am so glad that we connected! The listing I have I obtained from the Armstrong County Historical Society in Kittanig. Other notes on John Lorenz: Death of probate found at Register Docket for 1899 Madison Twp. 1899 Vol. 4 , pg. 115 (I did not get a copy of this and this probably would be very, very useful for information). Death entry in Register of Deaths Volume 1 - page 95. John Lorenze, white, male, age: 60 years. Father: Lewis Lorenz, mother: Mary A. Lorenz; married, place of birth: Rimer (??) occupation: farm, death: 11 Jan 1899, place of death: Rimerton, cause of death: Kidney trouble, duration of illness: 3 days, place of interment Rimer Hill, date of interment: 14 Jan 1899; date of record: 20 May 1899. (See again the confusion I have with the dates. The "official" source says this, the German researcher gave me a date of birth close to this, and the grave materials below give me (1) a different name all together; and (2) a different set of dates all together! That is why genealogy is fun, always a mystery to solve. ;-) ) Here is the Rimer Hill Cemetery Listing without grave locations - further below. The materials is waht I was originally given from what looks like a booklet that the Society has in its collection. Please understand the confusion I have with the dates and since I don't have the documents you have, I am stuck with the information I have so far. THAT is why I am so happy about getting your note! Now we might be able out here in the West to figure out the events in the East some time ago. Lorenz, Anna 1906- (Cravenor) Lorenz, Anthony 1887-1888 son of G & G Lorenz, Elizabeth 1888-1973 Lorenz, August 1872-1921 Lorenz, Elizabeth 1888-1888 dau. of G & G Lorenz, Frank V. 1883-1949 Lorenz, George 1847-1917 Lorenz, Gertrude 1854-1924 Lorenz, Gertrude 1870-1896 Lorenz, Gertrude 1871-1872 dau of J & M Lorenz, G. M Lorenz, John Baptist 1828-1906 born Alsace-Lorraine Lorenz, J.B. Lorenz, Joseph Lorenz, L. Lorenz, Mary A. 1811-1876 (Ludwig) Lorenz, Mary A. 1877-1877 dau of G & G Lorenz, Mary L. 1842-1916 born Alsace-Lorraine Lorenz, Philip 1880-1884 son of G & GL -----Original Message----- From: sherry billman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: descendants of lorenz family Rod- I was really surprised that you have gotten back to me so quick. I have a question though: Where did you you find the list for the Rimer Hill Cemetery? My great-great grandfather John Baptist Lorenz in buried in the Rimer Hill Cemetery and I have seen the stone, and the dates on it are as follows: Born: August 16, 1838 Died: January 11, 1898. He was married to Mary L. DeLacour Lorenz who was born: July 25, 1842, and died August 11, 1916. I will send more information soon Sherry Billman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.

I am searching for information concerning the family of GEORGE GEARHART, b. abt. 1820, and CATHERINE WHITESELL GEARHART, b. July 29, 1817. Many thanks for any help. Loretta Gearhart Myrter [email protected]

The name Halderman appears in the Pa. Archives. Time period was Amer. Rev. an Halderman held an important British office. Could have been a General. One of my relatives was captured by Indians and taken to Canada. His name along other names appear in the Halderman Papers. Know this isn't much help but may off a clue. Lona [email protected] > Hi all > Well another try to find info on my gr grandmother! > > On her death cert, my gr grandfather put that her dad's name was Jerry Halderman, could be Holderman - oh the writing was terrible! > > She was born 20 Oct 1881, in Kittanning, although on the headstone it says 1883. Her name was Gennetta Marie. Apparently she went by Marie though and she died in January 1928, in Pittsburgh. > > If anyone recognizes any of this or thinks they do, please respond! > Thanks for any help. > debi > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > >

Hi all Well another try to find info on my gr grandmother! On her death cert, my gr grandfather put that her dad's name was Jerry Halderman, could be Holderman - oh the writing was terrible! She was born 20 Oct 1881, in Kittanning, although on the headstone it says 1883. Her name was Gennetta Marie. Apparently she went by Marie though and she died in January 1928, in Pittsburgh. If anyone recognizes any of this or thinks they do, please respond! Thanks for any help. debi -- SIMPLE PLEASURES ARE THE BEST, ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SMILE AND GLOW. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Looking for enumeration on John Titus of Armstrong County, PA for 1820 and 1830 census. Anyone having access to this information please post it as soon as you can on this forum or email me direct at the email address listed below. > > Thanks in advance, > > --- Daniel Titus > --- [email protected] > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Thanks to Lynn Beatty, Laurel Black Morris, Nancy Cain Knepper, and Lisa Strobel, the following biographical sketches have been added to the Beers project section of the Armstrong County USGenWeb Project page: John Samuel Artman Charles Cowell Daniel Gosser Frank Goodwin Hon. Edmund D. Graff John A. Hill Edwin D. Ivory Edward Grant Procious David Reynolds Harry Reynolds Enjoy! -- Alice J. Gayley Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~clearfield Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~armstrong Jefferson County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

The original St. Michael's Church is not the one you see today, it was down the road and up on a hill and yes its original name was the Evangelical Lutheran Church and later became St. Michael's. There is a cemetery at the old site, the church was moved and another cemetery was started were you see St. Michael's today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H. Held" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church > Pattis, > > I'm not sure what church you are describing but that is not St. Michaels EL > Church in Brick Church, PA. otherwise known as the Evangelical Lutheran > Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. To find Brick > Church go to MapQuest and simply enter Brick Church, PA. It's about 6-8 > miles SSE from where you are describing. > > >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:30:43 -0700 > >From: "pattis" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Brick is up on the hill after you go through Ford Cliff. It's a brick > >church with a little road to side that leads to the cemetery. There are > >several cemeterys next to each other. One is the Catholic cemetery and > >there's another one not sure of it's name. > > > >I am acquainted with some of the Hielman or Heilman family. I know of Ted > >and Rose Heilman. He had the bus company that went through Ford City. They > >had two sons Robert and William and I believe they are still in the > >Kittanning-Ford City area. > > > -- > mailto:[email protected] > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Pattis, I'm not sure what church you are describing but that is not St. Michaels EL Church in Brick Church, PA. otherwise known as the Evangelical Lutheran Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. To find Brick Church go to MapQuest and simply enter Brick Church, PA. It's about 6-8 miles SSE from where you are describing. >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:30:43 -0700 >From: "pattis" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Brick is up on the hill after you go through Ford Cliff. It's a brick >church with a little road to side that leads to the cemetery. There are >several cemeterys next to each other. One is the Catholic cemetery and >there's another one not sure of it's name. > >I am acquainted with some of the Hielman or Heilman family. I know of Ted >and Rose Heilman. He had the bus company that went through Ford City. They >had two sons Robert and William and I believe they are still in the >Kittanning-Ford City area. -- mailto:[email protected]

Thanks for info. Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: pattis <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church > Brick is up on the hill after you go through Ford Cliff. It's a brick > church with a little road to side that leads to the cemetery. There are > several cemeterys next to each other. One is the Catholic cemetery and > there's another one not sure of it's name. > > I am acquainted with some of the Hielman or Heilman family. I know of Ted > and Rose Heilman. He had the bus company that went through Ford City. They > had two sons Robert and William and I believe they are still in the > Kittanning-Ford City area. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Georgia Halloran" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church > > > > Fred, I thought this was the church Tresures of Past wa listing twice but > wanted to make sure. Thank you for response. I descend from > HEILMAN?HILEMAN's of that area. Georgia Hileman Halloran > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >

c. Thanks for clearing up some things and glad to hear Treasures will be checking into double listing. Glad to have that mystery cleared up! Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: Catsmeow <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Burrell Twp was Kittanning Twp > St. Michael's Evangelical Lutheran Church is today in what we know of as > Burrell Twp, back years ago it was a part of Kittanning Twp. If you look at > the Armstrong County maps at Treasures you will see where the various > townships came from in the county. On the 1849-1867 map you will find > Burrell Twp as coming in to being from Kittanning Twp. Treasures was given > both church records separately and did not realize that they could be one > and the same, they > will be looking into it. > > C > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred H. Held" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:12 AM > Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] Church records > > > > Georgia, > > > > I assume you are referring to the St. Michaels Evangelical Lutheran Church > > at Brick Church, PA. Brick Church is near Crooked Creek, but I've never > > heard it referred to as "Evangelical Lutheran Church at the Crooked Creek > > Settlement, Kittanning Township," especially since it is not in Kittanning > > Township, but Burrell Twp. If the data are the same, I'm quessing someone > > made a terrible mistake in identifyiing the proper church. > > > > BTW, much of my family went to St. Michaels at Brick Church and we had our > > family reunion there last year. I am very familiar with the area. > > > > >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:07:10 -0400 > > >From: "Georgia Halloran" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Church records > > > > > >Hi, I find on "Treasures of the Past" two church records that have the > > >same info. They are St. Michael's Lutheran Church and Evangelical > Lutheran > > >Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. What am I > > >missing here?? It seems they are the same church but why are they listed > > >twice? Thanks fro any help. georgia > > > > > > -- > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >

Brick is up on the hill after you go through Ford Cliff. It's a brick church with a little road to side that leads to the cemetery. There are several cemeterys next to each other. One is the Catholic cemetery and there's another one not sure of it's name. I am acquainted with some of the Hielman or Heilman family. I know of Ted and Rose Heilman. He had the bus company that went through Ford City. They had two sons Robert and William and I believe they are still in the Kittanning-Ford City area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Halloran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Brick Church > Fred, I thought this was the church Tresures of Past wa listing twice but wanted to make sure. Thank you for response. I descend from HEILMAN?HILEMAN's of that area. Georgia Hileman Halloran > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > >

St. Michael's Evangelical Lutheran Church is today in what we know of as Burrell Twp, back years ago it was a part of Kittanning Twp. If you look at the Armstrong County maps at Treasures you will see where the various townships came from in the county. On the 1849-1867 map you will find Burrell Twp as coming in to being from Kittanning Twp. Treasures was given both church records separately and did not realize that they could be one and the same, they will be looking into it. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H. Held" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [PAARMSTR-L] Church records > Georgia, > > I assume you are referring to the St. Michaels Evangelical Lutheran Church > at Brick Church, PA. Brick Church is near Crooked Creek, but I've never > heard it referred to as "Evangelical Lutheran Church at the Crooked Creek > Settlement, Kittanning Township," especially since it is not in Kittanning > Township, but Burrell Twp. If the data are the same, I'm quessing someone > made a terrible mistake in identifyiing the proper church. > > BTW, much of my family went to St. Michaels at Brick Church and we had our > family reunion there last year. I am very familiar with the area. > > >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:07:10 -0400 > >From: "Georgia Halloran" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Church records > > > >Hi, I find on "Treasures of the Past" two church records that have the > >same info. They are St. Michael's Lutheran Church and Evangelical Lutheran > >Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. What am I > >missing here?? It seems they are the same church but why are they listed > >twice? Thanks fro any help. georgia > > > -- > mailto:[email protected] > > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ==== > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Georgia.......I, too, descend from the Hilemans. My grandmother was Mary Hileman, daughter of Alexander Hileman and Elizabeth Iseman, married to William Edward Miller. I am looking for a birth and death date for her. I know it is before 1951............Felicity Miller Partin Georgia Halloran wrote: > Fred, I thought this was the church Tresures of Past wa listing twice but wanted to make sure. Thank you for response. I descend from HEILMAN?HILEMAN's of that area. Georgia Hileman Halloran > > ==== PAARMSTR Mailing List ====

Fred, I thought this was the church Tresures of Past wa listing twice but wanted to make sure. Thank you for response. I descend from HEILMAN?HILEMAN's of that area. Georgia Hileman Halloran

Georgia, I assume you are referring to the St. Michaels Evangelical Lutheran Church at Brick Church, PA. Brick Church is near Crooked Creek, but I've never heard it referred to as "Evangelical Lutheran Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township," especially since it is not in Kittanning Township, but Burrell Twp. If the data are the same, I'm quessing someone made a terrible mistake in identifyiing the proper church. BTW, much of my family went to St. Michaels at Brick Church and we had our family reunion there last year. I am very familiar with the area. >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:07:10 -0400 >From: "Georgia Halloran" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Church records > >Hi, I find on "Treasures of the Past" two church records that have the >same info. They are St. Michael's Lutheran Church and Evangelical Lutheran >Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. What am I >missing here?? It seems they are the same church but why are they listed >twice? Thanks fro any help. georgia -- mailto:[email protected]

I'd like to invite all of you to come by and see a few new photos at Armstrong County Old Photos - - http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawphoto/armstrong Here's what we've added this week: >>From Stan Boozer Boozer Reunion 1925 The photo shows 101 family members present at the reunion - most are identified! >>From David Huffman William and Lavina Huffman Family Unknown Boy and Girl Unknown Girl You might recognize these "unknown" children. Also, over the weekend we added 155 photos to our Western PA Old Photos collection.... bringing the total photo count to 2633.  And, we've opened several new county sections - - and sections for Eastern and Central PA and Ohio.   Stop by and see us when you get a chance. Teri Western PA Old Photos

Hi, I find on "Treasures of the Past" two church records that have the same info. They are St. Michael's Lutheran Church and Evangelical Lutheran Church at the Crooked Creek Settlement, Kittanning Township. What am I missing here?? It seems they are the same church but why are they listed twice? Thanks fro any help. georgia

Fred, do I hear a volunteer???? <G> Alice "Fred H. Held" wrote: > > Alice, > > Wouldn't it be nice if we could extract the genealogical information from > the Beers Project data and post it with the biographical sketches in GEDCOM > format. > > I just finished doing that with one of the elusive Wright family members > I've been looking for for some time, and it's interesting the crosslinking > between the families I've found. > > >Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:28:47 -0500 > >From: Alice Gayley <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Beers Project Update > > > >Thanks to Nancy Cain Knepper and Lynn Beatty, the > >following biographical sketches had been added to > >the Beers Project on the Armstrong County site at: > >... > > -- > mailto:[email protected] -- Alice J. Gayley Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~clearfield Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~armstrong Jefferson County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

Alice, Wouldn't it be nice if we could extract the genealogical information from the Beers Project data and post it with the biographical sketches in GEDCOM format. I just finished doing that with one of the elusive Wright family members I've been looking for for some time, and it's interesting the crosslinking between the families I've found. >Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:28:47 -0500 >From: Alice Gayley <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PAARMSTR-L] Beers Project Update > >Thanks to Nancy Cain Knepper and Lynn Beatty, the >following biographical sketches had been added to >the Beers Project on the Armstrong County site at: >... -- mailto:[email protected]

Thanks to Nancy Cain Knepper and Lynn Beatty, the following biographical sketches had been added to the Beers Project on the Armstrong County site at: http://www.pa-roots.com/~armstrong Major General John Armstrong Fred C. Beecher Herbert G. Gates Robert Forb Miller Miles A. Riggle Willian Johnson Wright Enjoy! -- Alice J. Gayley Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~clearfield Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~armstrong Jefferson County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com