Seriously? Newbies take note: FHL equals Family History Library equals www.FamilySearch.org equals LDS equals Church of Jesus Chirst of Latter Day Saints equals Mormons and their free website which we non-Mormon believing, genealogy-loving folks use with much pleasure. And while you're at it, take an hour and study that most powerful website. There is so MUCH genealogical info there it will make your eyes bleed. On the main search page scroll down and limit your search to a specific state, or international county. They have 15 sets of wonderful records for the state of PA !! For me, I am presently starry-eyed over the digitized records of an obscure village in the Palermo area of Sicily called Valledolmo. I've viewed the actual films at local LDS churches, some of which are privileged to have Family History Centers in them. Not all the LDS records have been microfilmed. A search through their online library catalog may turn up records that you can only view in their main library in Salt Lake City, UT, or at the FHCs. And remember...Google, Bing, and other popular search engines can be your best friend. Bella On 01/02/14, Karns,Nancy C.<NKARNS@travelers.com> wrote: In regards to below explanation, who is "FHL"? Thanks. Nancy Caruthers Karns -----Original Message----- From: [1]paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of [3]lapiu.bella1@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:31 AM To: [4]paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALL] In re: discussion of PA county marriage index Listers, the following message which I forward here, was posted by Suzanne M. Johnson, a top-shelf, well-respected Allegheny County researcher, and member of Western PA Genealogical Society. I have saved it in my inbox purposely for background in re: the current discussion. Good reading; we must ALL remember that just because SOME records are online, we must not assume that ALL records are online. Sometimes we must go back to the basics and send to the original holder of the records. Bella ----------Original Message---------- From: "suzanne m. johnston" Date: Apr 22, 2013 4:27:29 PM Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index To: "[5]paallegh@rootsweb.com" <[6]paallegh@rootsweb.com> There isn't really a problem with the PA County Marriage Index as far as 1883 records go. Pennsylvania did not require marriage licenses until October 1885. Prior to that date, some city health departments required any individual who performed a marriage to send in a marriage return to the health department. Pittsburgh began to require these in 1870; Allegheny City in about 1878 (but records are spotty and only go to 1882). The 1875-1885 Pittsburgh marriage returns are on microfilm, although there are some months with no records. The 1870-1875 records are in a 3 volume set of abstracts, but the original microfilmed records are still with the county. The prothonotary was never in charge of marriage records; they were part of the Register of Wills. Today both offices are under the Department of Court Records. Wills now Wills/Orphans Court Division; Prothonotary now Family/Civil Division. Marriages are under Wills/Orphans' Court. There is a problem with the Allegheny County portion of the index/images. FHL never microfilmed the marriage records for Allegheny County between about 1905-06 and the mid-1930s (I do not have exact dates). I know that they filmed the marriage license docket books through volume 70 and that is what you view when you find a marriage before 1906. You do not see the actual marriage license application, although you get all the information (if it was copied correctly). For the later marriages, after 193?, the image is of the actual license application, marriage return and cover. Suzie > From: [1][7]patsgang@hotmail.com > To: [2][8]paallegh@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:07:58 -0600 > Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index > > Just FYI: I recently tried to find a marriage license for 1883/1884 and found that what was formerly the Prothonotary's office has no records prior to 1885. They referred me to the PA Room at Carnegie Library and if you give them a credit card number, they will do a search. They also take your phone number and if they have questions, will call you. Sure helps when you're a continent away! Pat Harris in Idaho > > CC: [3][9]paallegh@rootsweb.com > > From: [4][10]tacodmk@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:05:43 -0700 > > To: [5][11]paallegh@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index > > > > Bev you can have as many browsers on your computer as you want I have chrome, firefox , aol, and Internet explorer plus safari on mine > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [6][12]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7][13]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [14]mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 2. [15]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 3. [16]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 4. [17]mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 5. [18]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 6. [19]http://www.pagenweb.org/ 7. [20]mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [21]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [22]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________ This communication, including attachments, is confidential, may be subject to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this communication and all copies. TRVDiscDefault::1201 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [23]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [24]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:lapiu.bella1@verizon.net 4. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 8. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 11. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 12. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 13. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 14. mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 15. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 16. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 17. mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 18. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 19. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 20. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 21. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 22. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 23. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 24. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com

Thanks. Not a newbie. Chemo. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lapiu.bella1@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:17 AM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL] In re: discussion of PA county marriage index Seriously? Newbies take note: FHL equals Family History Library equals www.FamilySearch.org equals LDS equals Church of Jesus Chirst of Latter Day Saints equals Mormons and their free website which we non-Mormon believing, genealogy-loving folks use with much pleasure. And while you're at it, take an hour and study that most powerful website. There is so MUCH genealogical info there it will make your eyes bleed. On the main search page scroll down and limit your search to a specific state, or international county. They have 15 sets of wonderful records for the state of PA !! For me, I am presently starry-eyed over the digitized records of an obscure village in the Palermo area of Sicily called Valledolmo. I've viewed the actual films at local LDS churches, some of which are privileged to have Family History Centers in them. Not all the LDS records have been microfilmed. A search through their online library catalog may turn up records that you can only view in their main library in Salt Lake City, UT, or at the FHCs. And remember...Google, Bing, and other popular search engines can be your best friend. Bella On 01/02/14, Karns,Nancy C.<NKARNS@travelers.com> wrote: In regards to below explanation, who is "FHL"? Thanks. Nancy Caruthers Karns -----Original Message----- From: [1]paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of [3]lapiu.bella1@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:31 AM To: [4]paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALL] In re: discussion of PA county marriage index Listers, the following message which I forward here, was posted by Suzanne M. Johnson, a top-shelf, well-respected Allegheny County researcher, and member of Western PA Genealogical Society. I have saved it in my inbox purposely for background in re: the current discussion. Good reading; we must ALL remember that just because SOME records are online, we must not assume that ALL records are online. Sometimes we must go back to the basics and send to the original holder of the records. Bella ----------Original Message---------- From: "suzanne m. johnston" Date: Apr 22, 2013 4:27:29 PM Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index To: "[5]paallegh@rootsweb.com" <[6]paallegh@rootsweb.com> There isn't really a problem with the PA County Marriage Index as far as 1883 records go. Pennsylvania did not require marriage licenses until October 1885. Prior to that date, some city health departments required any individual who performed a marriage to send in a marriage return to the health department. Pittsburgh began to require these in 1870; Allegheny City in about 1878 (but records are spotty and only go to 1882). The 1875-1885 Pittsburgh marriage returns are on microfilm, although there are some months with no records. The 1870-1875 records are in a 3 volume set of abstracts, but the original microfilmed records are still with the county. The prothonotary was never in charge of marriage records; they were part of the Register of Wills. Today both offices are under the Department of Court Records. Wills now Wills/Orphans Court Division; Prothonotary now Family/Civil Division. Marriages are under Wills/Orphans' Court. There is a problem with the Allegheny County portion of the index/images. FHL never microfilmed the marriage records for Allegheny County between about 1905-06 and the mid-1930s (I do not have exact dates). I know that they filmed the marriage license docket books through volume 70 and that is what you view when you find a marriage before 1906. You do not see the actual marriage license application, although you get all the information (if it was copied correctly). For the later marriages, after 193?, the image is of the actual license application, marriage return and cover. Suzie > From: [1][7]patsgang@hotmail.com > To: [2][8]paallegh@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:07:58 -0600 > Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index > > Just FYI: I recently tried to find a marriage license for 1883/1884 and found that what was formerly the Prothonotary's office has no records prior to 1885. They referred me to the PA Room at Carnegie Library and if you give them a credit card number, they will do a search. They also take your phone number and if they have questions, will call you. Sure helps when you're a continent away! Pat Harris in Idaho > > CC: [3][9]paallegh@rootsweb.com > > From: [4][10]tacodmk@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:05:43 -0700 > > To: [5][11]paallegh@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALL] Problem with PA county marriage index > > > > Bev you can have as many browsers on your computer as you want I have chrome, firefox , aol, and Internet explorer plus safari on mine > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [6][12]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7][13]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [14]mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 2. [15]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 3. [16]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 4. [17]mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 5. [18]mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 6. [19]http://www.pagenweb.org/ 7. [20]mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [21]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [22]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________ This communication, including attachments, is confidential, may be subject to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this communication and all copies. TRVDiscDefault::1201 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: [23]http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [24]PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:lapiu.bella1@verizon.net 4. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 8. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 11. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 12. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 13. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 14. mailto:patsgang@hotmail.com 15. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 16. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 17. mailto:tacodmk@aol.com 18. mailto:paallegh@rootsweb.com 19. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 20. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 21. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 22. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com 23. http://www.pagenweb.org/ 24. mailto:PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message