N Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:15:30 -0400 From: Donna Bickert <dbickert2@gmail.com> Subject: [A-L] immigration To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <AANLkTim0rvmAZ5AJtBRvzXS+bGvzMXpqo+WHW5GOCN=Z@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there any possible immigration information on Philip Bickert b. 1795 or his wife Elizabetg b.1797 both in Alsace, Germany? Hi Donna, You didn¹t give much to go on. Hopefully the two children, in this one possible record I came across, MIGHT be enough to prove this is - or is not - your BICKERT family. However, if not, it¹s VERY possible your duo may have come over in the blackhole of passengerlists, between birth and 1820. SW Germans, usually referred to as Palatines, left surprisingly good records coming to PA from the Palatine from the early 1700s to the American Revolution, since lists of men in their majority had to be given to the authorities in Philadelphia and then those passengers had to take an oath of allegience to the British crown for entering a British colony. Once the colonies were no longer British that ceased....until the new United States created the first Customs Bureau circa 1820, and then instituted the law that lists of all incoming passengers must be turned in upon reaching US lands. So, YOU Bickerts may have entered during that 23-25 year black hole, when lists ­ IF written ­ were not required to be handed in to anyone, and may or may not have survived the following 200 years in someone¹s attic or cellar or in the archives warehouse in the box next to the Lost Ark. If so, you¹ll be very lucky to find them. I do find these two passengers, and their two sons, very interesting, though. Their pod, LeHavre, France was a quite usual port of departure for Alsatians; and the time frame, of arrival: 1837 is very appropriate for a young family to emigrate. John is a very common baptismal name for any Germanic country, since many churches [protestant and catholic] had St. John as their patron saint. This John may have been a John Philip, known to friends and family as Philip, and legally or to the church as John. ? >From what you included in your query, it¹s impossible to tell if this is YOUR Bickert famiily or not. I leave that up to you to prove...... Cari Thomas ew York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about John Bickart > Name: John Bickart [possibly a John Philip? > Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1837 > Birth Year: abt 1793 > Age: 44 > Gender: Male > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > Port of Arrival: New York, New York > Ship Name: Manchester > > Name: Elizabeth Bickart > Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1837 > Birth Year: abt 1804 > Age: 33 > Gender: Female > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > Port of Arrival: New York, New York > Ship Name: Manchester > > On Page 2 of 4 for this ship; passengers 77 to 80: > John Bickart [or biekart?] 44; Male; [dittoed as from Bavaria; farmer; U > States]; and does not have any baggage listed nor dittoed. > Elizabeth; 33; female; [dittoed as from Bavaria; farmer; U States]; and > does not have any baggage listed nor dittoed. > Carl [ancestry indexed as Earl, but I think it Carl] 15; Male; [dittoed as > from Bavaria; farmer; U States]; and does not have any baggage listed nor > dittoed. > Peter; 7; Male; [dittoed as from Bavaria; farmer; U States]; and does not > have any baggage listed nor dittoed.