Mary Fran Ormsby Ave. runs from Mt. Oliver and crosses the City of Pittsburgh line at Ottillia St. Between 1910 and 1920, the house numbers in the city section of that street were increased, usually by 100. You may check some of the other neighbors addresses between those 2 census' years for confirmation. There is Bronder at 303 then 403 and Scheirer at 423 then 529. I can guarantee that these folks NEVER moved. I once knew the reason for this change, but this memory escapes me. Paul Bauer -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FredandMaryFran Powell Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 2:26 PM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALL] Fwd: George Hoffmann Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:24 AM Subject: George Hoffmann To: FredandMaryFran Powell <fredandmaryfran@gmail.com> This obituary was found in one of the newspapers Bob so generously gives of his time to index. Never having lived in Pittsburgh, I have some questions and hope someone on this list might be able to help. 1.) In one place, George's surname is spelled with two letters, n. 2.) we have all of Teresa KINTZ HOFFMAN papers with her maiden name spelled as I have typed it here. 3.) My late Mother-in-law spelled her maiden name with one n. Is it wise, then, to accept the differences in newspaper obit as "typos"? 4.) My late Mother-in-law's baptismal certificate shows her residence as 305 Ormsby Avenue. By what means would I discover the correct address for these HOFFMAN folks? I am wondering if they just moved to another home. 5.) Finally, what do the letters C.M.B.A. indicate? 6.) Under the present church/cemetery names/locations, where would George HOFFMAN be interred? Any and all help appreciated. Mary Fran HOFFMAN---On Saturday, June 3, 1916, at 2 p.m., George HOFFMANN, husband of Teresa HOFFMAN, (NEE KNITZ) in his 42nd year. Funeral from his late residence, 405 Ormsby Ave., St. Clair borough, on Tuesday morning, June 6, at 7:30 o'clock. Requien high mass at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church at 8 o'clock. Interment at St. Joseph's Cemetery. Friends of the family and members of C.M.B.A. are respectfully invited to attend. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hoffman or Hoffmann are common spellings. So either could be correct. I would like to read the death notice. Can you send the link, as I do not keep Bob's efforts. The death certificate would have an address, the funeral home may be able to help you if still in existence. Either the death certificate or the funeral home should be able to answer where he is buried. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FredandMaryFran Powell Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:26 PM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALL] Fwd: George Hoffmann Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:24 AM Subject: George Hoffmann To: FredandMaryFran Powell <fredandmaryfran@gmail.com> This obituary was found in one of the newspapers Bob so generously gives of his time to index. Never having lived in Pittsburgh, I have some questions and hope someone on this list might be able to help. 1.) In one place, George's surname is spelled with two letters, n. 2.) we have all of Teresa KINTZ HOFFMAN papers with her maiden name spelled as I have typed it here. 3.) My late Mother-in-law spelled her maiden name with one n. Is it wise, then, to accept the differences in newspaper obit as "typos"? 4.) My late Mother-in-law's baptismal certificate shows her residence as 305 Ormsby Avenue. By what means would I discover the correct address for these HOFFMAN folks? I am wondering if they just moved to another home. 5.) Finally, what do the letters C.M.B.A. indicate? 6.) Under the present church/cemetery names/locations, where would George HOFFMAN be interred? Any and all help appreciated. Mary Fran HOFFMAN---On Saturday, June 3, 1916, at 2 p.m., George HOFFMANN, husband of Teresa HOFFMAN, (NEE KNITZ) in his 42nd year. Funeral from his late residence, 405 Ormsby Ave., St. Clair borough, on Tuesday morning, June 6, at 7:30 o'clock. Requien high mass at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church at 8 o'clock. Interment at St. Joseph's Cemetery. Friends of the family and members of C.M.B.A. are respectfully invited to attend. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:24 AM Subject: George Hoffmann To: FredandMaryFran Powell <fredandmaryfran@gmail.com> This obituary was found in one of the newspapers Bob so generously gives of his time to index. Never having lived in Pittsburgh, I have some questions and hope someone on this list might be able to help. 1.) In one place, George's surname is spelled with two letters, n. 2.) we have all of Teresa KINTZ HOFFMAN papers with her maiden name spelled as I have typed it here. 3.) My late Mother-in-law spelled her maiden name with one n. Is it wise, then, to accept the differences in newspaper obit as "typos"? 4.) My late Mother-in-law's baptismal certificate shows her residence as 305 Ormsby Avenue. By what means would I discover the correct address for these HOFFMAN folks? I am wondering if they just moved to another home. 5.) Finally, what do the letters C.M.B.A. indicate? 6.) Under the present church/cemetery names/locations, where would George HOFFMAN be interred? Any and all help appreciated. Mary Fran HOFFMAN---On Saturday, June 3, 1916, at 2 p.m., George HOFFMANN, husband of Teresa HOFFMAN, (NEE KNITZ) in his 42nd year. Funeral from his late residence, 405 Ormsby Ave., St. Clair borough, on Tuesday morning, June 6, at 7:30 o'clock. Requien high mass at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church at 8 o'clock. Interment at St. Joseph's Cemetery. Friends of the family and members of C.M.B.A. are respectfully invited to attend.

Yes, my father bought his first car, 1932 Plymouth with one during WWII when we lived in Needles CA. My brother and I braved many trips across the dusty hot desert roads drinking Nehi Orange pop back there. Les -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thompson Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 5:55 PM To: Allegheny Mailing list Subject: [ALL] Rumble seat Hi group: Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding in a rumble seat? Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not of that era, but your survey made me think of the old family photos of my uncles driving to Pittsburgh in the 1930s to see family there. My mother was jealous because she was too young to go and had to stay in St. Louis. Apparently the guys had quite a fun time without parents! My favorite vehicle was my grandparent's 1960s convertible, and I felt so privileged to sit between them on a ride to the lake. My grandmother loaned me a scarf as we drove listening to, "Itsy, Bitsy, Teenie, Weenie, Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" on the AM radio. She giggled like a shy schoolgirl at the words of that song! Pamela

I do. My father had one when I was little in Erie, PA. JNL On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Larry Thompson <lt0168@epix.net> wrote: > Hi group: > Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding > in a rumble seat? > > Larry > -- > My genealogy page > http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ > Allegheny County Maps page > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: > http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ******************************************************************************************** COL Joseph N. Lander, USA (Ret) 3930 NW 35th Place Gainesville, Florida 32606-6148 "Write your plans in pencil and (352) 377-0482 (Home) remember that God has the eraser." (352) 213-2331 (Cell) ********************************************************************************************

Hi group: Thanks for the replies to my little survey. I got more yeas than I expected.I myself only road in one once when I was about 6 years old, which would have been about 1949. I checked before I posted and the last rumble seats were made by Chevy in 1938 and Ford in 1939. Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/

Hey! I road in one once in Jamestown, NY. I was about 10 & went there to visit relatives with my grandmother. One of her Beckstrom nephews had one & took a couple of us little girls for a ride in the rumble seat. It was quite an adventure. I had never seen one before. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 6:11 PM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL] Rumble seat Larry, you have to be older than some of us. I remember hearing about them.. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thompson Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 5:55 PM To: Allegheny Mailing list Subject: [ALL] Rumble seat Hi group: Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding in a rumble seat? Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3705/7142 - Release Date: 03/02/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3705/7142 - Release Date: 03/02/14

Larry, I remember it clearly; thought it was great fun and was most unhappy when the rumble seats were discontinued. Quite a walk down memory lane. Mary fran On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Larry Thompson <lt0168@epix.net> wrote: > Hi group: > Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding > in a rumble seat? > > Larry > -- > My genealogy page > http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ > Allegheny County Maps page > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, you have to be older than some of us. I remember hearing about them.. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thompson Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 5:55 PM To: Allegheny Mailing list Subject: [ALL] Rumble seat Hi group: Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding in a rumble seat? Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do Larry, My dad had a car with one when I was young. And he let us ride in it once or twice. He did consider it too dangerous for us to ride in so it was only once or twice Helen in Pgh -----Original Message----- From: Larry Thompson Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 5:54 PM To: Allegheny Mailing list Subject: [ALL] Rumble seat Hi group: Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding in a rumble seat? Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi group: Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding in a rumble seat? Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/

Hi Larry, Yes, I remember riding in a rumble seat. I was probably 5 or 6 years old. We lived in Sheridan Borough and it was a neighbor's car. There were some other kids with me. Probably took place about 1943/1944. What a fabulous memory! ~Blessings, Bev in Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Thompson" <lt0168@epix.net> To: "Allegheny Mailing list" <paallegh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 2:54 PM Subject: [ALL] Rumble seat > Hi group: > Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how many people remember riding > in a rumble seat? > > Larry > -- > My genealogy page > http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ > Allegheny County Maps page > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: > http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Nice to see a message with your name attached. Haven't seen it for a while. I've been lurking on the various lists that I am on, haven't had the urge lately to do much of any thing for a few months, probably cabin fever and the results of an ice caused fall, no broken bones, landed on my left elbow driving it up into shoulder joint, just a fouled up left bicep and shoulder muscle. Still have restricted movement in the shoulder. How is Titan treating you? About noon the rain started here, the latest I've seen is 1 to 3 inches of snow; was 6+ yesterday. To keep myself occupied I've been spending my time trying to come up with a different way to display Ancestor Trees, I can't stand the software generated ones. I've gone from 3 generations in a 2 layer photo mat 8 x 10 and 8 1/2 x 11 formats, and layouts to print straight to photo paper; also 10 generations with pictures in 19 x 13 "bow tie" with off shoots format printed on photo paper. In January I bought a new wide format printer that allows me to print up to 13 inches wide by any length up to 44 inches, largest standard is 13 x 19. I have a Descendant Tree, of my design, that is about 8 feet long; took a lot of 8 1/2 x 11 paper to get that length, with the printer I might get away with 2 sheets. I placed this on scroll rods. I haven't tried to put the Descendant Tree on the 13 inch width yet, should be able to get another generation or two on there. We'll be back in the area this weekend for my sister-in-laws 80th birthday party. Staying in a motel in Homestead, they live in W. Mifflin, (Duquesne area) arrive Friday afternoon and leaving Sunday morning. My sister-in-law has been bugging me for a couple of years for the Dittman ancestry data, so, I've printed out the Ahnentafel of my brother, put it in a ring binder with the Ancestors pictures that I have; and made up a set of my new 19 x 13 Ancestor Charts to go with it. Waiting for the binders to put the prints in to arrive. I laid out these new charts using Excel, makes it real easy, at least now that I've done a mess of them.

Thank you Larry but that Andrew Young died in July 1986 in Mercer....mine is May of that year and should be in Pgh. I just went through all the May issues of the Post-Gazette that were available for that entire month with no luck...maybe the next step is to do all the Pgh Press....but I'm taking a break Thanx for trying to help Barbara

I only know that Andrew Young died in May of 1986.....that's from the SSDI.  Haven't figured out a way to narrow down the search.  I could start going through the known issues of the paper but might not amount to anything if there was no death notice submitted.   Thanx for any ideas... Barbara

Hi Barbara , I found a Andrew Young ; born June 29, 1908 ; died May 1, 1986 In Pittsburgh age 77 It also lists his social Security number ( you most likely have it) I could not find him listed in any grave sites , nor obits . Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara%2FBill Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 8:31 PM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL] Pgh death notice or obit? Thank you Larry but that Andrew Young died in July 1986 in Mercer....mine is May of that year and should be in Pgh. I just went through all the May issues of the Post-Gazette that were available for that entire month with no luck...maybe the next step is to do all the Pgh Press....but I'm taking a break Thanx for trying to help Barbara ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara: SSDI says he died in Mercer County. I'd try posting to the Mercer Co. mailing list, Young mailing list then to the Young message board at both Rootsweb and Genforum. Larry On 3/1/2014 7:16 PM, Barbara%2FBill wrote: > I only know that Andrew Young died in May of 1986.....that's from the SSDI. > Haven't figured out a way to narrow down the search. I could start going through the known issues of the paper but might not amount to anything if there was no death notice submitted. > > Thanx for any ideas... > Barbara > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/

No, there's no subscription needed for GenForum. And there hasn't been a World Family Tree for several years. Ancestry bought GenForum to keep it running when it's owners couldn't afford it anymore and it remains free, just like RootsWeb. In addition, there are many free databases on Ancestry. You need to create a guest account but do not need a subscription to use them. http://www.searchforancestors.com/ancestryfreebies.html Clare, ListMistress

I have a copy of an original "true bill" on case of bastardy on an ancestor from 1881, I also have the newspaper clipping that where the judge sentenced the accused to year for 12 months. Linda Harden-Lantz -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Meinert Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:52 PM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL] help with old legal language Googling shows: TRUE BILL, practice. These words are endorsed on a bill of indictment, when a grand jury, after having heard the witnesses for the government, are of opinion that there is sufficient cause to put the defendant on his trial. Formerly, the endorsement was Billa vera, when legal proceedings were in Latin; it is still the practice to write on the back of the bill Ignoramus, when the jury do not find it to be a true bill. Vide Grand Jury. A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856. lapiu.bella1@verizon.net wrote: > OK, folks, I need some help with this one. In a Sept 1886 issue of The > Indiana Progress > newspaper that I've been scouring in the Historic Newspaper Collection at > Ancestry.com, > I found the following item in a Court News column. > Tell me what your best guesses are for translating this. > "Com. vs. (male person#1), indict., seduction and F. And B., (female person > #2), prox. True Bill." > I think it says: Commonwealth vs male, indicted for seduction fornication > and bastardy, > female is prosecuting (bringing the charges against the male). I don't know > what True Bill means. > Now remember this is from 1886. Care to guess? This is not a test. I'm doing > some lookups > for a friend. I previously found an obit for the female, who died in 1938, > was born in 1870. I think there was > a son born of that seduction, making the female abt. 15-16 years old at the > time. > Bella > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.pagenweb.org/~allegheny/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message