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    1. Re: [ALL] Braddock Question
    2. S. Heatherington
    3. Hahntown is a former coal-mining town near Irwin, PA. Here is a link I found that may help: http://www.histopolis.com/Place/US/PA/Westmoreland_County/Hahntown On Mon Dec 27 20:57:48 CST 2010, JR Jamieson <jr@jjamieson.com> wrote: > There is a Hahntown in Westmoreland County that I found using > Google. > > > Greetings to > > JR Jamieson > > jr@jjamieson.com > 412 343 9264 > > Home of the Steeler Nation > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartman" > <jhartman15122@gmail.com> > To: <paallegh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:14 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ALL] Braddock Question > > >> Listers >> >> Doing some research on my Hartman family in the Braddock area. >> >> Was there an area north of Braddock known as Hahntown - Hahnton >> in its early >> days? I was thrown off in some information that they were from >> Hannastown. >> I know that was once the seat of Westmoreland County in its >> early days. I >> vaguely remember that there was an area by this name above >> Braddock. Any >> ideas? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim Hartman >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/28/2010 02:04:54
    1. Re: [ALL] Braddock Question
    2. Jim Hartman
    3. JR I am familiar with the Hahntown in Westmoreland County. I have located the area on the 1876 County map on the Wilkins Twp. map. There is an area right above Braddock owned by the heirs of the Hanna family. The story that I have is that my grandmother worked as farm help in Hanna town on a farm. Now I presume that this was the Hanna farm right above Braddock. My Zapfs moved there in the early 1900s from Allegheny City (Kilbuck area --) This Zapf worked as a boiler tender for the Braddock Power Works (electricty for Braddock) at that time. By the looks this farm was about 2 miles above Braddock. Probably right near the present Monongahela Cemetery is. On the hill above Braddock. Thanks for the help. All this information kind of fits into the story. Have to take these stories and translate them into present day locations from the old. Since the farm was a rather large area it most probably had its own name for that area. Jim Hartman On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:57 PM, JR Jamieson <jr@jjamieson.com> wrote: > There is a Hahntown in Westmoreland County that I found using Google. > > > Greetings to > > JR Jamieson > > jr@jjamieson.com > 412 343 9264 > > Home of the Steeler Nation > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Hartman" <jhartman15122@gmail.com> > To: <paallegh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:14 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ALL] Braddock Question > > > > Listers > > > > Doing some research on my Hartman family in the Braddock area. > > > > Was there an area north of Braddock known as Hahntown - Hahnton in its > > early > > days? I was thrown off in some information that they were from > > Hannastown. > > I know that was once the seat of Westmoreland County in its early days. > I > > vaguely remember that there was an area by this name above Braddock. Any > > ideas? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim Hartman > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/27/2010 03:08:55
    1. Re: [ALL] Braddock Question
    2. JR Jamieson
    3. There is a Hahntown in Westmoreland County that I found using Google. Greetings to JR Jamieson jr@jjamieson.com 412 343 9264 Home of the Steeler Nation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartman" <jhartman15122@gmail.com> To: <paallegh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ALL] Braddock Question > Listers > > Doing some research on my Hartman family in the Braddock area. > > Was there an area north of Braddock known as Hahntown - Hahnton in its > early > days? I was thrown off in some information that they were from > Hannastown. > I know that was once the seat of Westmoreland County in its early days. I > vaguely remember that there was an area by this name above Braddock. Any > ideas? > > Thanks > > Jim Hartman > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/27/2010 02:57:48
    1. [ALL] Braddock Question
    2. Jim Hartman
    3. Listers Doing some research on my Hartman family in the Braddock area. Was there an area north of Braddock known as Hahntown - Hahnton in its early days? I was thrown off in some information that they were from Hannastown. I know that was once the seat of Westmoreland County in its early days. I vaguely remember that there was an area by this name above Braddock. Any ideas? Thanks Jim Hartman

    12/27/2010 02:14:50
    1. Re: [ALL] Bible School Question
    2. Norm
    3. Ellis, Rita, This may well be her. The 1879 date could have referred to one of her eleven children! Elizabeth Fry From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . . . "She began a system of supervision and required the women to sew and to read the Bible." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Fry Norm

    12/27/2010 08:47:38
    1. Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh actress?
    2. Tomi Larson
    3. In reply to the very astute observation about the monogram, yes the R is in the middle!!; it is actually LRM, with the R being larger than the other letters. I didn't know how to emphasize the fact that the larger R was in the middle using text size here - but yes it is R for the last name actually. I don't think now that the 'famous actress' really lived in this house, as it was probably not built until the 1950s. However, the mirror could have been bought from an auction, estate sale - who knows. I thank everyone for the tips and will try to use them to investigate further. Message: 5Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:01:02 -0600 (CST)From: "S. Heatherington" <sheatherington@comcast.net>Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh actress?To: paallegh@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: <5062982.38450.1293156062217.JavaMail.root@web02>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Lillian Russell Moore died in 1922 -- if the house your son bought in Mt. Lebanon was built by then, it could have been her home. But her initials would have been LRM, not LMR, isn't that right? "Monograms" on silverware or linens often had the last initial in the center, but in that case, that initial was larger than the other two. Nitpicking? Probably, but that's the way it usually was.

    12/26/2010 08:34:19
    1. Re: [ALL] Bible School Question
    2. John Canning
    3. If it was handwritten I imagine that the word was presented not persecuted. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:50 AM, ellisrn@earthlink.net < ellisrn@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and Happy Holiday Season. > > I have received a question that I am hoping to find an answer to. > Someone shared with me that they have a "Teacher's Reference Bible" from a > United Presbyterian Church. On the inside cover is written > > "Lizzie A. Fry's book, persecuted March 18, 1879. " There is no other > notation. > > Does anyone have any idea what the term "persecuted" means in this > instance? > > > Ellis Michaels > PAGenWeb > ellisrn@earthlink.net > > "If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, > either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" > (Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac) > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/26/2010 07:33:57
    1. [ALL] Bible School Question
    2. Hi Everyone, Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and Happy Holiday Season. I have received a question that I am hoping to find an answer to. Someone shared with me that they have a "Teacher's Reference Bible" from a United Presbyterian Church. On the inside cover is written "Lizzie A. Fry's book, persecuted March 18, 1879. " There is no other notation. Does anyone have any idea what the term "persecuted" means in this instance? Ellis Michaels PAGenWeb ellisrn@earthlink.net "If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" (Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)

    12/26/2010 02:50:51
    1. [ALL] Greetings
    2. Sharon Coyne
    3. Hope you all had a Merry Christmas and will have the greatest of New Year in 2011, especially in your searching for family info. Sharon

    12/25/2010 08:18:39
    1. [ALL] Happy Holidays
    2. JR Jamieson
    3. Greetings to on the Allegheny eMail List Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. Jesus is the reason for the Season JR Jamieson jr@jjamieson.com 412 343 9264 Home of the Steeler Nation

    12/25/2010 04:14:30
    1. [ALL] Merry Christmas!
    2. Norm
    3. Merry Christmas to All! Norm

    12/25/2010 01:50:54
    1. [ALL] Happy Holidays
    2. Larry Thompson
    3. Hi group: I like to wish everybody on the list a very merry holiday season. Larry -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/

    12/24/2010 04:19:13
    1. Re: [ALL] Happy Holidays
    2. Beverly Morris
    3. Hi Larry, Probably most of the country is in bed. I'm still up in California waiting for Santa! Merry Christmas to you! ~Bev Jesus is the reason for the Season!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Thompson" <lt0168@epix.net> To: "Allegheny Mailing list" <paallegh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: [ALL] Happy Holidays > Hi group: > I like to wish everybody on the list a very merry holiday season. > > Larry > -- > My genealogy page > http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ > Allegheny County Maps page > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/24/2010 01:34:47
    1. Re: [ALL] name changes
    2. Pat Forshort
    3. Immigrants faced a lot of hurdles when it came to their name. Early census takers were not necessarily good spellersand worse writers. The people they were interviewing were often times illiterate with heavy accents that didn't sit well on the ears of the census taker. Spelling of a last name was not consistent even within the same family. And when it came to county offices and churches it got worse. Within my family I have found the last name 'Dieling/Deiling' spelled 13 different ways - the worse mistakes being in church baptismal, burial and marriage records. The family did fairly well, but the officials were something else again. Just keep an open mind and ear! > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:12:31 -0500 > To: paallegh@rootsweb.com > From: alenkner@stargate.net > Subject: Re: [ALL] name changes > > > Helen, > > I have a similar story. Some years back I received an email from a > cousin's wife in Grove City. She wanted to start tracing her family > tree. I bought her a copy of TMG because that's what I use and it > would make it easy for her to include her husband's tree which was > pretty much completed. > > A year later I'm going through my Inbox, deleting old and useless > email when I came across her letter so I called her and asked how she > was doing......... only to be told that she couldn't find a single > thing. That didn't make a lot of sense, even for a beginner, so I > told her to send me whatever she had on her family and I would see > what I could find. Well, the gal's nice but she seems to have hidden > behind the door when brains were handed out. It took quite a few > calls and emails to remind her that I needed everything. Finally I > had all that she had and it took me about 1/2 hour to understand WHY > she couldn't find anything.......... her ancestors were Polish. > > Her immigrating ancestor came with a complete family to this country > in 1908. As each of the kids got married and/or left papa's domain, > they changed the spelling of their last name...... each and every one > of them. I suspect the problem was caused, at least in part, by > illiteracy. My cousin's wife's grandmother (phew!!) was married in > 1928 at the age of 28 and she had to sign her marriage license with > an " X ". Imagine! Age 28 and she couldn't read or write. > > It took me 2 days, IIRC, to track down every one of her > ancestors. A couple of weeks later, I drove up to Grove City, > picked up her and one of her Polish uncles and we drove first to > Franklin, Venango County's seat, and then to Oil City where darkness, > cold and much wind forced us out of a cemetery at dusk. There were > but 2 more places to check, one being the church were many of her > family were married and a plumber descendant who might have been able > to shed more light since he never left Oil City. > > I've been researching for about 30 years and have been pretty lucky > with my own name with most variations being the archaic spelling > which Germany outlawed way after my ancestors left the homeland for > America. The archaic spelling is phonetically the same way the name > has been spelled for the last 200 years so it really hasn't been a > problem. Now, if you go to Linda's family, then the story > changes............ :-D Her great grandfather, Italian, came to this > country with one name, his son changed it to another and the grandson > (Linda's dad) anglicized it when he joined the Pittsburgh Police Dept > in 1949. Fortunately Linda's grandfather then was alive to verify > the info. Most should be so lucky!! > > Al > > > > > At 09:15 AM 12/24/2010, you wrote: > > >Listers, > >Remembered another interesting thing about the spelling of last names > >Sometimes each sibling adopted their own version of the spelling of > >their last name. > >I have one family in my ancestoral line that has as many spellings as they > >had siblings. Each spelling different yet you would pronounce it the same > >orally. Also some took a version of their mother's surname and some their > >father's. To make it more confusing it did not follow gender lines > >Here are some examples > >Mother's name Rosen > >Names adopted > >Rossen > >Rose > >Rosen > >Roseen > > > >Father's name Schmidt > >Names Adopted > >Schmitt > >Schmit > >Schmid > >Schmidt > >Smitt > > > >Fun fun fun > >HELEN in PGH > > > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/24/2010 08:41:09
    1. Re: [ALL] name changes
    2. Al Lenkner
    3. Helen, I have a similar story. Some years back I received an email from a cousin's wife in Grove City. She wanted to start tracing her family tree. I bought her a copy of TMG because that's what I use and it would make it easy for her to include her husband's tree which was pretty much completed. A year later I'm going through my Inbox, deleting old and useless email when I came across her letter so I called her and asked how she was doing......... only to be told that she couldn't find a single thing. That didn't make a lot of sense, even for a beginner, so I told her to send me whatever she had on her family and I would see what I could find. Well, the gal's nice but she seems to have hidden behind the door when brains were handed out. It took quite a few calls and emails to remind her that I needed everything. Finally I had all that she had and it took me about 1/2 hour to understand WHY she couldn't find anything.......... her ancestors were Polish. Her immigrating ancestor came with a complete family to this country in 1908. As each of the kids got married and/or left papa's domain, they changed the spelling of their last name...... each and every one of them. I suspect the problem was caused, at least in part, by illiteracy. My cousin's wife's grandmother (phew!!) was married in 1928 at the age of 28 and she had to sign her marriage license with an " X ". Imagine! Age 28 and she couldn't read or write. It took me 2 days, IIRC, to track down every one of her ancestors. A couple of weeks later, I drove up to Grove City, picked up her and one of her Polish uncles and we drove first to Franklin, Venango County's seat, and then to Oil City where darkness, cold and much wind forced us out of a cemetery at dusk. There were but 2 more places to check, one being the church were many of her family were married and a plumber descendant who might have been able to shed more light since he never left Oil City. I've been researching for about 30 years and have been pretty lucky with my own name with most variations being the archaic spelling which Germany outlawed way after my ancestors left the homeland for America. The archaic spelling is phonetically the same way the name has been spelled for the last 200 years so it really hasn't been a problem. Now, if you go to Linda's family, then the story changes............ :-D Her great grandfather, Italian, came to this country with one name, his son changed it to another and the grandson (Linda's dad) anglicized it when he joined the Pittsburgh Police Dept in 1949. Fortunately Linda's grandfather then was alive to verify the info. Most should be so lucky!! Al At 09:15 AM 12/24/2010, you wrote: >Listers, >Remembered another interesting thing about the spelling of last names >Sometimes each sibling adopted their own version of the spelling of >their last name. >I have one family in my ancestoral line that has as many spellings as they >had siblings. Each spelling different yet you would pronounce it the same >orally. Also some took a version of their mother's surname and some their >father's. To make it more confusing it did not follow gender lines >Here are some examples >Mother's name Rosen >Names adopted >Rossen >Rose >Rosen >Roseen > >Father's name Schmidt >Names Adopted >Schmitt >Schmit >Schmid >Schmidt >Smitt > >Fun fun fun >HELEN in PGH > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/24/2010 08:12:31
    1. [ALL] Halovanich / Fisher / Posek name changes
    2. JoAnn Cupp
    3. Here is one Allegheny County family with interesting name changes: James Halovanich married Johanna Fisher in Novigrad, Austria on 25 July 1903 They immigrated in 1898 from Bremen to Baltimore and lived in Rankin, Allegheny Co., both died in Pitcairn. They had 11 children, including twin boys. Edward and Frank who were the youngest children Edward (my nephews maternal grandfather) changed his name to HALAVAN ( as 3 of his siblings also did) Twin brother Frank changed his name to HALOVICH . The other 7 siblings maintained the name HALOVANICH Joanna FISHER's parents were Peter JANKOVIC  (American translation Fisher) from Adleski, Slovenia and Catharina POSEK, whose father was Nickolai POSHEG and her mother was a cousin, Maria POSEK. They lived in Allegheny Co. in 1900 but moved to Export, Westmoreland Co., PA. Are any of you researching these families? JoAnn Cupp Grass Valley, CA

    12/24/2010 03:59:48
    1. Re: [ALL] Name changes
    2. Larry Thompson
    3. Helen: I've seen several examples of the types of changes you listed. I was watching a historical program about a miners strike that took place in south eastern Pa. around the 1880's. The mines brought in a lot of eastern Europeans as strike breakers. If I remember the strike lasted about 6 months. After the strike ended the eastern Europeans were laid off, and there was so much resentment against them that a lot of them anglicized their names to be able to get work. Larry On 12/24/2010 7:09 AM, roger@fyi.net wrote: > Larry, > A good many people have already given you answer to this, all of them > correct. Let me throw my two cents worth in just from what I observed > from headstones and doing genealogy. > Two basic ways names get changed the accidental and the deliberate. > The accidental happens through differences in languages. Such as the > resident saying to the census taker his name and the taker recording it > in his phonic sense such as my ggreat Aunt's name being changed from Hite > to Heid on censuses 1870 to 1900. Another whose name was spelled Hoi in > French came up Hay and stuck in baptismal records.Those were accidental > of course. > The deliberate I see more in headstones. > You can see the progression. The original immigrant is something like > Guttenboi, which changes to Guttenboy in the second generation Gutboy, > the third and Goodboy in last. Some people anglized their names to be > more American such as Schmitt to Smith or Kronnenberger to Crownhill. I > know a lot of people over the years with eastern European names shortened > them to make it easier for Americans to spell such as Laitkaiteroski > becomes Laitkait. > Sometimes people would go back and change mistakes or take back their > original spelling, but most people either didn't know or let it slide > HELEN in Pgh. > > > Hi group: >> One of my lines is a Forrester family that was in Allegheny City. I >> found where they were buried in Union Dale Cemetery. On one of the >> headstones it has that he was born in Kircolm, Scotland. His brother has >> that he was born in Gallowayshire Scotland. Gallowayshire is the county >> where Kirkcolm is located. I got the church records from the Kirkcolm >> church and found the baptismal and marriage records for the family, >> except they were all listed as Foster. Then I found the immigration >> record for the parents and one son, which again listed them as Foster. >> But once they arrived in the US all of the records list them as >> Forrester, including the headstone for the parents. >> Any idea why the family would have changed names when they got here? >> >> Larry >> -- >> My genealogy page >> http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ >> Allegheny County Maps page >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- My genealogy page http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ Allegheny County Maps page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/

    12/24/2010 03:06:20
    1. [ALL] name changes
    2. Listers, Remembered another interesting thing about the spelling of last names Sometimes each sibling adopted their own version of the spelling of their last name. I have one family in my ancestoral line that has as many spellings as they had siblings. Each spelling different yet you would pronounce it the same orally. Also some took a version of their mother's surname and some their father's. To make it more confusing it did not follow gender lines Here are some examples Mother's name Rosen Names adopted Rossen Rose Rosen Roseen Father's name Schmidt Names Adopted Schmitt Schmit Schmid Schmidt Smitt Fun fun fun HELEN in PGH

    12/24/2010 02:15:33
    1. Re: [ALL] Name changes
    2. Barbara/Bill Pompei
    3. Sometimes you'd NEVER guess the new name.... On an accidental encounter my Aunt had with a lady she met a church my Aunt mentioned her maiden name was Serowchak. The lady said "oh, that was my husband's name but he and his siblings changed it to Gillson". No one seems to know for sure where that name comes from but think it was a derivation of a lady's first husband's name....that the kids used when their Mom marriied the 2nd time to Mr. Sorochak. I think those folks worked awfully hard to confuse us....and we do that just fine by ourselves! Barbara Sacramento

    12/24/2010 02:03:45
    1. Re: [ALL] Name changes
    2. Julie & Kevin
    3. Adding another reason for a change was the family used the English word for the family name. I have seen it in doing Genealogy . My mom's maiden name in Polish was Gruszka , it means pear.. Kolodziejski translates to wheeler , etc. Julie B. -----Original Message----- From: paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paallegh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roger@fyi.net Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 7:09 AM To: paallegh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL] Name changes Larry, A good many people have already given you answer to this, all of them correct. Let me throw my two cents worth in just from what I observed from headstones and doing genealogy. Two basic ways names get changed the accidental and the deliberate. The accidental happens through differences in languages. Such as the resident saying to the census taker his name and the taker recording it in his phonic sense such as my ggreat Aunt's name being changed from Hite to Heid on censuses 1870 to 1900. Another whose name was spelled Hoi in French came up Hay and stuck in baptismal records.Those were accidental of course. The deliberate I see more in headstones. You can see the progression. The original immigrant is something like Guttenboi, which changes to Guttenboy in the second generation Gutboy, the third and Goodboy in last. Some people anglized their names to be more American such as Schmitt to Smith or Kronnenberger to Crownhill. I know a lot of people over the years with eastern European names shortened them to make it easier for Americans to spell such as Laitkaiteroski becomes Laitkait. Sometimes people would go back and change mistakes or take back their original spelling, but most people either didn't know or let it slide HELEN in Pgh. Hi group: > One of my lines is a Forrester family that was in Allegheny City. I > found where they were buried in Union Dale Cemetery. On one of the > headstones it has that he was born in Kircolm, Scotland. His brother has > that he was born in Gallowayshire Scotland. Gallowayshire is the county > where Kirkcolm is located. I got the church records from the Kirkcolm > church and found the baptismal and marriage records for the family, > except they were all listed as Foster. Then I found the immigration > record for the parents and one son, which again listed them as Foster. > But once they arrived in the US all of the records list them as > Forrester, including the headstone for the parents. > Any idea why the family would have changed names when they got here? > > Larry > -- > My genealogy page > http://twothompsongenealogies.com/ > Allegheny County Maps page > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lt0168/maps/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAALLEGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/24/2010 01:49:34