In Hanover, York or Adams Counties As reported in Pennsylvania Genealogies, by William Henry Egle, M..D., M.A., 1969, pages 62-67. In 1757, near Hanover, PA William Barnett, son of Joseph Barnett and young Mackey boy, the son of a neighbor, Mr. Mackey, were taken prisoner by a band of prowling Indians. Mr. Barnett and Mr. Mackey went in pursuit to free the boys, but Mr. Mackey was shot dead by the Indians and Mr. Barnett was forced to retreat. Later, Mr. Barnett paid an Indian trader to rescue his son. Young Mackey was sold by the Indians to a Frenchman at Detroit and then was taken to England. At the outset of the American Revolution, young Mackey returned to the Colonies with the British army. He made his way to his old home in Hanover, PA and was reunited with his mother. There is much more to this story, which I will not go into. My purpose concerns my Great Great Grandfather, George Mackey, of PA, who had a son Barnett William Mackey, born Feb 28, 1863, at Marquette, WI and died in 1866. Ann Eliza Banta was George's Wife and mother of the boy. The naming of the boy may be just coincidental, or it may reflect some knowledge or relationship to the above story. I would like to contact anyone familiar with this story or the above Mackey, Barnett names. Ron Yielding Palm Springs, CA

I have DAVID HOFFMAN b. 1746 (I'm trying to find his origins, parents and siblings.) David m. Susanna Klein 1774 in Frederick Co. MD. They had the following children: Johan jacob b. 1775 spouse Catherine Baker *DAVID b. 1776 m. Elizabeth Kiser (He is my direct ancestor) Elizabeth b. 1778 spouse Jacob Sullivan 2nd spouse of David (b. 1746) was Eva Margaretha Lengenfelter Heck Hoffman Other Hoffman(s) closely associated to David are George, Jacob, John, Valentine, maybe Peter and Henry. I have children's names of David and Elizabeth also. Thank you Harriet HOFFMAN Toothman

(please excuse the multiple postings to various mail lists) Lecture on: Researching at DAR Library in Washington, DC Speaker: Rev. Frederick W. Pyne, CGRS Saturday, April 12, 2003 Time: 1:00 - 3:00 PM Free and open to the general public Location: Homewood at Crumland Farms Retirement Community Multipurpose Room in main building 7407 Willow Road - Frederick, MD 3 miles north of 7th Street Exit off - US Rt #15 Left off Rt#15 - on Willow Road - just past Beckley Motel Main entrance is 2nd driveway on left - but, please use the 3rd driveway on left for parking. Frederick County Genealogical Society will hold its regularly scheduled lecture on Saturday April 12th, 2003, on resource that is of value to any family or general historian. A wealth of information is available in the Library of the Daughters of American Revolution in Washington, DC, and includes more than just the names and dates. This reference library has invaluable information from the colonial period to early 19th century and beyond. Our speaker is a frequent user of this library with intimate knowledge of its features and inner workings. We are honored to have the opportunity to hear this lecture. In addition to being a noted professional genealogist, Rev. Pyne is the Registrar General of the Descendants of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence and Registrar of the Maryland State Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. He is the author of the definitive and massive work on the descendants of the signers, has made many presentations and taught classes in genealogy, and is considered a vibrant and interesting speaker. The Rev. Frederick W. Pyne, a Board Certified Genealogist, will be presenting an open talk and discussion of genealogical research at the Daughters of American Revolution's Research Library in Washington, DC.  Other research methodologies will also be discussed. The presentation, including overhead slides, is designed to be open discussion and questions. Since the FRECOGS members will be going to the DAR Library within a few weeks this should be a most interesting session and everyone is encouraged to attend, bring your questions, and seek answers! As with most of the FRECOGS regular monthly meeting lectures, attendance is free and open to the public regardless of where your ancestors have resided. For additional information about either of these events or for joining FRECOGS ($20 year household Annual 2003 membership) phone, write, or email: Newsletter Editor - Trudie Davis Long #301-831-5781 ([email protected]);  Mailing address: FRECOGS, Inc., P.O. Box 234, Monrovia, MD  21755 or call  Pepper Scotto, President  301-834-9907, email:  [email protected]

Does anyone have access to the records of Christ Reformed Cemetery in Littlestown? I am looking for a Margaret ___________ who was born 15 March 1761 and died before 26 January 1808. Her maiden name was Dotterer (var spellings, d/o Conrad and Juliana Reiff Dotterer), but she was definitely married with children at the time of her death. I am hoping to find a Margaret with matching birth date to try to establish the name of her husband. She is likely to be buried in this cemetery. Thanks. Vanessa [email protected] My genealogy page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vstern/

Hi Everyone, Here's some exciting new info that I wanted to share. Conrad Dotterer (Dutterer) of Adams Co., PA, died 18 Jan 1808. In his will he leaves property to each of his children, and including the children of 2 deceased daughters (Elizabeth and Margaret). I've located info in Columbiana Co., OH, that provides info about the heirs of both Elizabeth and Margaret. I descend from Conrad Dotterer's daughter Julianna who married Frederick Sponseller and moved to Columbiana Co., OH. In the course of researching another family line, George & Anna Maria (Shaffer) Messerly of Frederick Co., MD, and later Columbiana Co., OH, I ran across deed language that also identified them as heirs of Conrad Dotterer. Thus I have a double connection to Conrad Dotterer via 2 daughters. Additional documents suggest that Elizabeth Dotterer married a Shaffer and provide possible surnames for Margaret Dotterer's husband. During the April 1823 term of the Columbiana Co. Court of Common Pleas, George Messerly et al filed a petition against John Shaffer et al to partition the property amongst the heirs of Conrad Dotterer's 2 deceased daughters (Columbiana Co. OH Probate Ct. record 666 CP 1-130). This document names the following heirs but does not identify their respective mothers: 1. George Messerly 2. George Messerly and Mary his wife 3. John Shaffer (Shaeffer) 4. Michael Ouler & Catharine his wife (their name is Yowler and possibly Euler) 5. David Mattis and Rachel his wife (their name is Mathias and Matthias) 6. Jacob Maxwell & Mary his wife (their name is Mikesell and Meixell) 7. Margaret Painter (her name is Bender) This petition contains several surname spelling errors as noted above. The Messerly's were living in Columbiana Co., OH, at the time of the petition. All other heirs were living in Frederick Co., MD. The Messerly's are listed twice because they owned 2 shares of the inheritance. In Oct. 1811, Jacob & Elizabeth Shaffer sold their share of the estate to George Messerly, all of Frederick Co., MD. (Columbiana Co., OH, deed Vol. 2, pp. 518-520). This deed further identifies Elizabeth, wife of Jacob Shaffer, as the daughter and one of the heirs of the deceased daughter Elizabeth. This is the only deed I've found that specifically connects any of the heirs to either Elizabeth of Margaret. Ancestry.com lists a Frederick Co., MD marriage record for Jacob & Elizabeth (Shafer) Shafer on 27 Aug. 1810. The LDS Church's IGI file gives a date of 19 Aug 1810 for Jacob & Elisabeth (Shafer) Shafer. It seems reasonable to conclude that the other Shaffer heirs also are children of Elizabeth (Dotterer) Shaffer. I don't know the name of Elizabeth's husband. The identified children of Elizabeth (Dotterer) Shaffer are therefore: 1. Anna Maria Shafer aka Mary & Polly. m. George Messerly 17 Dec. 1801, Fred. Co., MD. 2. Catherine Shafer m. Michael Yowler, 16 Sept. 1809, Fred. Co., MD. (IGI gives 17 Sept 1809) 3. Elizabeth Shafer m. Jacob Shafer, Aug 1810, Fred. Co., MD. 4. John Shafer m. Eve. I have not been able to locate marriage records for the Bender, Mathias, and Mikesell heirs. Additional deeds provide more usable info: In Nov. 1835 John & Eve Shaeffer of Montgomery Co., OH sold their inheritance to George Messerly (Columbiana Co., OH, deed Vol. 23, pp. 509-510). In Apr. 1824 David Mathias (and Rachel his wife) and Margaret Bender sell part of their inheritance to Solomon Crouse (Columbiana Co., OH, deed Vol. 9, pp. 43-44). In Apr. 1824 Jacob Mikesell (and Ann Maria his wife) and Margaret Bender sell part of their inheritance to Henry Sponseller (Columbiana Co., OH, deed Vol. 8, pp 521-522). In Sept 1829, David Mathias and Rachel sell part of their inheritance to John Fellnagle (Columbiana Co., OH, deed Vol. 12, pp 513-514). Eventually, George Messerly owned all properties inherited by any of the above Shaffers. This may be due in part to the fact that the "Shaffer" properties were consecutively numbered by the court and thus located, adjacent to and, one after the other. I do not know if Margaret Bender is unmarried or widowed. It is interesting to note that Margaret Bender appears as a grantor on deeds with both the Mathias and Mikesell families. This suggests a possible sibling connection between these three families and, by process of elimination, they might be heirs of Margaret Dotterer. Please note that I have found no solid evidence as to this connection. It is interesting to note that the Will of David Mathias (dated May 16, 1861, probated Apr 11, 1864, Carroll Co., MD) mentions that part of his property is adjacent to property owned by Jacob Mikesele. The Mathias will further mentions that part of David Mathias' property previously was part of the Benter Farm. If Benter is a spelling variation of Bender, determining how David Mathias came to own the Benter Farm (or part thereof) could be extremely valuable. I can't help but wonder if Jacob Mikesell also owns part of the Benter Farm? If anyone has info on the above families, I would greatly appreciate receiving an email. Thank you very much. [email protected] Spelling variations include Mixell, Messerley, Schaffer, Schafer _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello Fellow Listers: Had the opportunity to look through the St. Alyosius Roman Catholic Church Records at the Adams Co. Historical Society today and much to my surprise there were baptismal records for several children of a Georgii GOUGER/GOUKER/GAUGHER/etc. and Ludovica HELLER/HOLLER/HALLER. The records were mainly in "Latin" and the names were often times "Latinized" [or at least I presume it was Latin]. Does anyone know anything about either the GOUGHERs or the HELLERs listed above??? Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Hello Fellow Listers: Am searching for information on the REDKAY family - not sure where the family originated or lived. The family in question: Charles Redkay GABLER s/o John GABLER (s/o Joseph & Lydia GABLER - all bd. Orrstown Cem., Franklin Co.,PA.) and Elizabeth (maiden name to be REDKAY - also found as SWEIGERT - bd.Spring Hill Cem.,Shippensburg, PA.). Charles worked on the railroad and was living in Harrisburg, Dauphin Co., PA. on the 1920 Census with his mother. The family also lived around the Chambersburg / Orrstown / Shippensburg area. Anyone familiar with this surname or know where they were from??? Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Does anyone have any info to support that these two families intermarried to produce a John Dietrick MILLER? Tks. On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 [email protected] wrote: William Dietrich had 2 sons--Jacob b c1759 and Adam b before 1770. Also William Dietrich purchased his Adams County land from a Ludwig MILLER c1764.

Did DIETRICK have any sons in Adams County, PA? Researching John Dietrick MILLER. Tks. www.unf.edu/~fmille/miller.htm MILLERs of Adams County, PA On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, GHutchison wrote: > Elisabeth Dietrich, born ca.1759/63, married Adam Wilhelm. She was the > daughter of Wilhelm Dietrich and his wife Magdalena. > > Magdalena Dietrich, born ca.1765/67, sister of Elisabeth, married Michael > Wilhelm. > > They were probably born in Lancaster Co., PA; lived in Mt. Joy Township, > Adams County (then York County), PA. Wilhelm Dietrich moved to Adams Co. > ca.1764; died 1770. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:17 AM > Subject: [PAADAMS] WILHELM, DIETRICH > > > > I have been researching my WILHELMS for a while, after they went to VA. > Now > > that I am starting to back up to PA, it looks like they were in Adams Co. > > (Wasn't everyone at one point in time--haha) > > > > Anyway, I am trying to confirm which of the WILHELM brothers my Elizabeth > > belonged to--Adam or Michael? I checked the wills in VA but they only > > mentioned males. Elizabeth was b c1800 (possibly in Germantown before > coming > > to Adams). > > Adam & Michael married the Dietrich sisters (from Adams Co.) and > apparently > > lived there before going south to the Valley. > > > > Does anyone have any info on these families? > > > > I am willing to share what I have. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doris Snyder > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== PAADAMS Mailing List ==== > > Adams Co. PA GenWeb URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PAADAMS Mailing List ==== > Adams Co. PA GenWeb URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Elisabeth Dietrich, born ca.1759/63, married Adam Wilhelm. She was the daughter of Wilhelm Dietrich and his wife Magdalena. Magdalena Dietrich, born ca.1765/67, sister of Elisabeth, married Michael Wilhelm. They were probably born in Lancaster Co., PA; lived in Mt. Joy Township, Adams County (then York County), PA. Wilhelm Dietrich moved to Adams Co. ca.1764; died 1770. Hope this helps. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: [PAADAMS] WILHELM, DIETRICH > I have been researching my WILHELMS for a while, after they went to VA. Now > that I am starting to back up to PA, it looks like they were in Adams Co. > (Wasn't everyone at one point in time--haha) > > Anyway, I am trying to confirm which of the WILHELM brothers my Elizabeth > belonged to--Adam or Michael? I checked the wills in VA but they only > mentioned males. Elizabeth was b c1800 (possibly in Germantown before coming > to Adams). > Adam & Michael married the Dietrich sisters (from Adams Co.) and apparently > lived there before going south to the Valley. > > Does anyone have any info on these families? > > I am willing to share what I have. > > Thanks, > > Doris Snyder > > [email protected] > > > ==== PAADAMS Mailing List ==== > Adams Co. PA GenWeb URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jeff, you're obsessed! <grin> But I understand ;) I am VERY familiar with pension files. If those two witnesses said they were in military service, they probably were. I can tell you that the Civil War pensioners index at ancestry.com is NOT complete. It is identical to the microfilm I look at down at the National Archives EXCEPT that the images that were not very legible on the Archives microfilm (lots of them), do not appear at all at ancestry because the quality of the image was not good enough to transfer. Also, that name spelling variation comes into play. It could be Ziegler or Zeigler, but it could also be Sigler, Siglar, Zickler, etc, etc... It could be under any of those in the pension index. The National Archives has a pensioners index that goes by regiment (I don't think ancestry does). I'll check that regiment for you and see if those two witnesses are there. For future reference, you should check the Civil War soldiers and sailors website which is: www.itd.nps.gov/cwss The search engine lets you search by regiment. It's helpful when you have a name spelled a bunch of different ways, because you can put in the regiment and just scroll down the list of names to see who served. It won't tell you who was pensioned. If you know the name of an ancestor and the regiment they served in, you should scroll the rest of that regiment and look for familiar names--often you will find other family members. Take a deep breath and stop tearing your hair! This one shouldn't be so hard to figure out. Peggy Reeves Burtonsville, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. J. Richards" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: [PAADAMS] more Zieglers > Dear Adams County Listers, > > First, many, many thanks for the many responses to my original Ziegler > query. > > The reason I drew a connection between my Thomas Jefferson Ziegler, born in > Monroe Twp., Cumberland Co. on the Fourth of July, 1845, and the Zieglers in > Adams County is the following affidavit in his Civil War Pension File. Here > is the text of the affidavit from Adams County which I found in my > great-grandfather's Pension File, and it confuses me just as much as not > more as it confuses you: > > "Personally came before me an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said > County Joseph Zeigler and David Zeigler, both reliable men who being duly > sworn, according to law, depose and say they are well acquainted with Thomas > Zeigler who was a Private in Company D, 1st Regiment, U.S. Cavalry and > further we do know that he was wounded at the Wilderness, Virginia, May 7, > 1864 and that he is the identical person he represents himself to be. And > the we were in the service of the U.S. at the time said Zeigler was wounded. > And that he is still disabled by cause of gun shot wound on right elbow. > > Signed: Joseph Zeigler > David Zeigler > > sworn and subscribed before me this seventh day of December AD. 1872." > > By the way, the Pension File for my great-grandfather is 130 pages long. It > is a gold-mine of information about my family which I have slowly been able > to straighten out after over 18 months of reading and re-reading it. There > was a famous David Zeigler in Gettysburg associated with the Underground > Railroad. What surprises me is that these two Zeiglers (Zieglers) knew so > much about my great-grandfather's fate. > > (Slight pause to gnash teeth and tear out hair. Genealogy is supposed to be > fun...why is this such a torture?) > > Anyway, I checked at ancestry.com for service records of the various Joseph > and David Ziegler(s), and none of the units of the various Zieglers there > match with the unit for my great-grandfather (1st US Cavalry, Company D), > whence I suspect that the Joseph and David were family members rather than > comrades-in-arms in the same unit (maybe not a valid assumption). But I > also hasten to add: I am a real beginner with this sort of material. > > I realize that this is a very hard nut to crack -- which is why I am > appealing to the kind souls of the Adams County list again for their kind > help. > > It goes without saying that Joseph and David Ziegler/Zeigler are not, well, > uncommon names. (Why couldn't they have had names like Obadiah?) > > Thanks again for all the help and encouragement. > > Jeff Richards > Muenster, Germany > > ______________________________

Did any of the Zieglers go to St. Joseph Co., IN? I am looking for the parents of an Adam Ziegler who married Mary Magdalene Pecher Welter after 1880. She had been married to Peter (John) Welter. I found her married to Mr. Welter in the 1880 Census and my records show she died some time agter her mother, Appolonia Adams Percher in 1896 I would be interested to find his (Adam Ziegler) birthdate, death date and parents if anyone should have this information. Thanks for your help in this, Tom Rogers

I have been researching my WILHELMS for a while, after they went to VA. Now that I am starting to back up to PA, it looks like they were in Adams Co. (Wasn't everyone at one point in time--haha) Anyway, I am trying to confirm which of the WILHELM brothers my Elizabeth belonged to--Adam or Michael? I checked the wills in VA but they only mentioned males. Elizabeth was b c1800 (possibly in Germantown before coming to Adams). Adam & Michael married the Dietrich sisters (from Adams Co.) and apparently lived there before going south to the Valley. Does anyone have any info on these families? I am willing to share what I have. Thanks, Doris Snyder [email protected]

Dear Adams County Listers, First, many, many thanks for the many responses to my original Ziegler query. The reason I drew a connection between my Thomas Jefferson Ziegler, born in Monroe Twp., Cumberland Co. on the Fourth of July, 1845, and the Zieglers in Adams County is the following affidavit in his Civil War Pension File. Here is the text of the affidavit from Adams County which I found in my great-grandfather's Pension File, and it confuses me just as much as not more as it confuses you: "Personally came before me an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County Joseph Zeigler and David Zeigler, both reliable men who being duly sworn, according to law, depose and say they are well acquainted with Thomas Zeigler who was a Private in Company D, 1st Regiment, U.S. Cavalry and further we do know that he was wounded at the Wilderness, Virginia, May 7, 1864 and that he is the identical person he represents himself to be. And the we were in the service of the U.S. at the time said Zeigler was wounded. And that he is still disabled by cause of gun shot wound on right elbow. Signed: Joseph Zeigler David Zeigler sworn and subscribed before me this seventh day of December AD. 1872." By the way, the Pension File for my great-grandfather is 130 pages long. It is a gold-mine of information about my family which I have slowly been able to straighten out after over 18 months of reading and re-reading it. There was a famous David Zeigler in Gettysburg associated with the Underground Railroad. What surprises me is that these two Zeiglers (Zieglers) knew so much about my great-grandfather's fate. (Slight pause to gnash teeth and tear out hair. Genealogy is supposed to be fun...why is this such a torture?) Anyway, I checked at ancestry.com for service records of the various Joseph and David Ziegler(s), and none of the units of the various Zieglers there match with the unit for my great-grandfather (1st US Cavalry, Company D), whence I suspect that the Joseph and David were family members rather than comrades-in-arms in the same unit (maybe not a valid assumption). But I also hasten to add: I am a real beginner with this sort of material. I realize that this is a very hard nut to crack -- which is why I am appealing to the kind souls of the Adams County list again for their kind help. It goes without saying that Joseph and David Ziegler/Zeigler are not, well, uncommon names. (Why couldn't they have had names like Obadiah?) Thanks again for all the help and encouragement. Jeff Richards Muenster, Germany

By the way, the Pension File for my great-grandfather is 130 pages long. Did you see anything about the MILLERs in the above file? Remember the following item I sent you earlier? Tks. > Eli F. MILLER and Joseph ZEIGLER were childhood friends in Adams County, > > PA. Were in Civil War together, and Eli F. MILLER returned to > > McKnightstown, Franklin Twp, Adams Co, PA in 1890, then settled in > > Mt. Holly Springs, Cumberland Co, PA. til his death in 1909. Also there is > > Henry H. MILLER (d:1914) and Joseph ZEIGLER (age 68 in 1910.02.19). > > (^_._^) > wOw > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, E. J. Richards wrote: > Dear Adams County Listers, > > First, many, many thanks for the many responses to my original Ziegler > query. > > The reason I drew a connection between my Thomas Jefferson Ziegler, born in > Monroe Twp., Cumberland Co. on the Fourth of July, 1845, and the Zieglers in > Adams County is the following affidavit in his Civil War Pension File. Here > is the text of the affidavit from Adams County which I found in my > great-grandfather's Pension File, and it confuses me just as much as not > more as it confuses you: > > "Personally came before me an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said > County Joseph Zeigler and David Zeigler, both reliable men who being duly > sworn, according to law, depose and say they are well acquainted with Thomas > Zeigler who was a Private in Company D, 1st Regiment, U.S. Cavalry and > further we do know that he was wounded at the Wilderness, Virginia, May 7, > 1864 and that he is the identical person he represents himself to be. And -> the we were in the service of the U.S. at the time said Zeigler was wounded. > And that he is still disabled by cause of gun shot wound on right elbow. > > Signed: Joseph Zeigler > David Zeigler > > sworn and subscribed before me this seventh day of December AD. 1872." > > By the way, the Pension File for my great-grandfather is 130 pages long. It > is a gold-mine of information about my family which I have slowly been able > to straighten out after over 18 months of reading and re-reading it. There > was a famous David Zeigler in Gettysburg associated with the Underground > Railroad. What surprises me is that these two Zeiglers (Zieglers) knew so > much about my great-grandfather's fate. > > (Slight pause to gnash teeth and tear out hair. Genealogy is supposed to be > fun...why is this such a torture?) > > Anyway, I checked at ancestry.com for service records of the various Joseph > and David Ziegler(s), and none of the units of the various Zieglers there > match with the unit for my great-grandfather (1st US Cavalry, Company D), > whence I suspect that the Joseph and David were family members rather than > comrades-in-arms in the same unit (maybe not a valid assumption). But I > also hasten to add: I am a real beginner with this sort of material. > > I realize that this is a very hard nut to crack -- which is why I am > appealing to the kind souls of the Adams County list again for their kind > help. > > It goes without saying that Joseph and David Ziegler/Zeigler are not, well, > uncommon names. (Why couldn't they have had names like Obadiah?) > > Thanks again for all the help and encouragement. > > Jeff Richards > Muenster, Germany > > > > ==== PAADAMS Mailing List ==== > Adams Co. PA GenWeb URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a large database of Abraham John Zeigler, one of 3 brothers who came from Northampton Co, PA about 1802 (father died, George Philip Zeigler). These Zeiglers owned large tracts of land (farms) in/around Middlesex/North Middleton Twp. They attended the First Lutheran Church in Carlisle. The church still has their old records of baptisms, marriages, etc. My Abraham married Elizabeth Hoerner; they are on the 1850 census in (I believe) Middlesex Twp., Cumberland Co, PA. Most of this family of Zeiglers stayed in Cumberland Co. And as they aged and sold off the farms, lived in/around Carlisle. Hope this helps, I don't have my FTM database here at work, but can email a ged-com, to anyone who needs it. Debbie Drake Hogue Sandston, VA At 12:15 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, E. J. Richards wrote: >The problems with my Zieglers are numerous: the descendants of Hans Georg >Ziegler in Cumberland Co. have been well documented by Allen Ziegler. But >there was also a Peter Ziegler who owned a mill somewhere in Cumberland Co. >who was not related to Hans Georg Ziegler. I don't know if this Peter >Ziegler is related to my Zieglers or not. > >My Zieglers may have only been interlopers in Cumberland County and have >come from a nearby county. I don't know. > >My Abram Ziegler married a woman named Elizabeth Ross. I checked the IGI >for an Elizabeth Ross, and there was a baptismal record from 4 June 1820, >from the Upper Bermudian Church, Manchester Twp., Adams Co. Hmm. Parents' >names: Joseph and Sarah. So I checked the 1840 and 1850 censuses for >Cumberland County to see if I could find Joseph and Sarah, and they (or >let's say, a Joesph and family) show up in South Middleton Twp., Cumberland >Co. in 1840 and then Joseph and Sarah in 1850 in Dickinson Twp., Cumberland >Co. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but... if the Joseph Ross >family was in Dickinson Twp., Cumberland Co., maybe Abram Ziegler was >somewhere in Dickinson Twp. in 1840 as well. So I checked the 1840 census >for Zieglers and found only one in Dickinson Twp.: one "Samuel Zigler" is >listed in the 1840 census. Of course the assumption that the two families >both inhabited the same township can be questioned, but as a working >assumption, it is helpful. > >If this Samuel Zigler is identical to the Samuel Zeigler in the 1880 census, >then all bets are off. His will names two sons and they have been >identified. > >I joke that my Zieglers were orthographically challenged, but anybody >researching the Ziegler family knows that the spelling "Zeigler" is more >common in the US. At least this spelling shows that the people were >pronuncing the name "zeegler" which is not so far from the German >"tseegler". My ancestors though seem to have become monolingual >English-speakers (influence of Scots spouses? or, to make another joke, >Scots spice?) earlier than most other Pennsylvania Dutch. I say this >because whenever they were asked their names in 1850, they seem to have >responded to the questioner by saying roughly "sigler" (Siglar is how the >name appears, thanks again Abby for finding it) rather than the German >pronunciation "tseegler". Not until the 1880 census does the correct >spelling for my ancestors show up. > >Next there is the problem of the relationship between Evangelical Lutheran >and German Reformed churches in the Pennsylvania Dutch area. I'm a beginner >here. I know that some church buildings were used by two separate >congregations. In Germany the Prussian government forced the two churches >to unite, but even today reformed congregations tend to keep to themselves. >Germans tell me in fact that until the 1950s the relationship between the >two groups of believers was actually quite strained. > >OK, here's the problem. I can't find or rather have not yet found the >baptismal records for my Zieglers, and the great researcher Zieglers in >Cumberland County, Allen Ziegler, can't connect my Zieglers to the other >Zieglers in Cumberland County, who were indeed all good Lutherans. In fact, >just to complicate the issue, there were two Thomas Jefferson Zieglers, and >the other one was born about a year after my great-grandfather, also named >Thomas Jefferson Ziegler, also in Cumberland Co. His father though appears >to have married a Mennonite, which was also an unusual situation, and the >family eventually moved on to Illinois. > >So, I have a problem -- finding baptismal and marriage records for Abram >Ziegler -- which I need help with. In Beers, vol. 2, p. 1894, my >great-great-grandfather is named as Abraham Zigler [sic], "a native of >Cumberland Co., Pennsylvania." Otherwise, I have no proof he was born in >Cumberland Co. on 2 Sept 1820. > >My Thomas Jefferson Ziegler enlisted in September 1863 in Carlisle, fought >and was badly wounded at the Battle of the Wilderness in May 1864. He was >in the hospital until December 1, 1864. When he was released, according to >his Pension file, he briefly visited a Joseph and David Ziegler in >Gettysburg, before returning home to Claysville, in Washington Co. I don't >know -- though I suspect -- that this was an uncle and cousin. > >So that is the cussed situation I find myself in. Knowing that the family >was devoutly Presbyterian complicates the issue of course. (I have a >similar problem with my Richards ancestors -- who came from Prince Edward >Island, Canada -- and were also Presbyterian, and this although the name >Richards is Cornish, and one would expect the family to be Methodist, >Anglican or Baptist, but not Presbyterian.) > >Anyway, having said all of this, I'd be grateful for any help anybody out >there can give me. I've made a lot of progress thanks to the help of some >very selfless and very generous kind souls out there, and I want to thank >them all. This is the one family line which most influenced my >upbringing -- so I apologize if my queries have, well, a slightly obsessive >character. > >Thanks in advance, >Jeff Richards >Muenster, Germany > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM >Subject: [PACUMBER] ZEIGLER Clan > > > > There surely are Zeigler marriages to Scot-Irish immigrants, but you will > > find that practically all ZEIGLERs are German and members of the Lutheran > > Church, especially those that lived in early Cumberland County. > > > > The Zeigler Church records can be found on the Internet by going to <A >HREF="www.google.com"> > > www.google.com</A> and then typing in: "zeigler church" +Cumberland >Co., > > PA > > > > You might also try contacting a local Zeigler genealogist: > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > > Visit the USGenWeb PA Archives page: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >==== PAADAMS Mailing List ==== >Adams Co. 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The problems with my Zieglers are numerous: the descendants of Hans Georg Ziegler in Cumberland Co. have been well documented by Allen Ziegler. But there was also a Peter Ziegler who owned a mill somewhere in Cumberland Co. who was not related to Hans Georg Ziegler. I don't know if this Peter Ziegler is related to my Zieglers or not. My Zieglers may have only been interlopers in Cumberland County and have come from a nearby county. I don't know. My Abram Ziegler married a woman named Elizabeth Ross. I checked the IGI for an Elizabeth Ross, and there was a baptismal record from 4 June 1820, from the Upper Bermudian Church, Manchester Twp., Adams Co. Hmm. Parents' names: Joseph and Sarah. So I checked the 1840 and 1850 censuses for Cumberland County to see if I could find Joseph and Sarah, and they (or let's say, a Joesph and family) show up in South Middleton Twp., Cumberland Co. in 1840 and then Joseph and Sarah in 1850 in Dickinson Twp., Cumberland Co. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but... if the Joseph Ross family was in Dickinson Twp., Cumberland Co., maybe Abram Ziegler was somewhere in Dickinson Twp. in 1840 as well. So I checked the 1840 census for Zieglers and found only one in Dickinson Twp.: one "Samuel Zigler" is listed in the 1840 census. Of course the assumption that the two families both inhabited the same township can be questioned, but as a working assumption, it is helpful. If this Samuel Zigler is identical to the Samuel Zeigler in the 1880 census, then all bets are off. His will names two sons and they have been identified. I joke that my Zieglers were orthographically challenged, but anybody researching the Ziegler family knows that the spelling "Zeigler" is more common in the US. At least this spelling shows that the people were pronuncing the name "zeegler" which is not so far from the German "tseegler". My ancestors though seem to have become monolingual English-speakers (influence of Scots spouses? or, to make another joke, Scots spice?) earlier than most other Pennsylvania Dutch. I say this because whenever they were asked their names in 1850, they seem to have responded to the questioner by saying roughly "sigler" (Siglar is how the name appears, thanks again Abby for finding it) rather than the German pronunciation "tseegler". Not until the 1880 census does the correct spelling for my ancestors show up. Next there is the problem of the relationship between Evangelical Lutheran and German Reformed churches in the Pennsylvania Dutch area. I'm a beginner here. I know that some church buildings were used by two separate congregations. In Germany the Prussian government forced the two churches to unite, but even today reformed congregations tend to keep to themselves. Germans tell me in fact that until the 1950s the relationship between the two groups of believers was actually quite strained. OK, here's the problem. I can't find or rather have not yet found the baptismal records for my Zieglers, and the great researcher Zieglers in Cumberland County, Allen Ziegler, can't connect my Zieglers to the other Zieglers in Cumberland County, who were indeed all good Lutherans. In fact, just to complicate the issue, there were two Thomas Jefferson Zieglers, and the other one was born about a year after my great-grandfather, also named Thomas Jefferson Ziegler, also in Cumberland Co. His father though appears to have married a Mennonite, which was also an unusual situation, and the family eventually moved on to Illinois. So, I have a problem -- finding baptismal and marriage records for Abram Ziegler -- which I need help with. In Beers, vol. 2, p. 1894, my great-great-grandfather is named as Abraham Zigler [sic], "a native of Cumberland Co., Pennsylvania." Otherwise, I have no proof he was born in Cumberland Co. on 2 Sept 1820. My Thomas Jefferson Ziegler enlisted in September 1863 in Carlisle, fought and was badly wounded at the Battle of the Wilderness in May 1864. He was in the hospital until December 1, 1864. When he was released, according to his Pension file, he briefly visited a Joseph and David Ziegler in Gettysburg, before returning home to Claysville, in Washington Co. I don't know -- though I suspect -- that this was an uncle and cousin. So that is the cussed situation I find myself in. Knowing that the family was devoutly Presbyterian complicates the issue of course. (I have a similar problem with my Richards ancestors -- who came from Prince Edward Island, Canada -- and were also Presbyterian, and this although the name Richards is Cornish, and one would expect the family to be Methodist, Anglican or Baptist, but not Presbyterian.) Anyway, having said all of this, I'd be grateful for any help anybody out there can give me. I've made a lot of progress thanks to the help of some very selfless and very generous kind souls out there, and I want to thank them all. This is the one family line which most influenced my upbringing -- so I apologize if my queries have, well, a slightly obsessive character. Thanks in advance, Jeff Richards Muenster, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] ZEIGLER Clan > There surely are Zeigler marriages to Scot-Irish immigrants, but you will > find that practically all ZEIGLERs are German and members of the Lutheran > Church, especially those that lived in early Cumberland County. > > The Zeigler Church records can be found on the Internet by going to <A HREF="www.google.com"> > www.google.com</A> and then typing in: "zeigler church" +Cumberland Co., > PA > > You might also try contacting a local Zeigler genealogist: > > [email protected] > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit the USGenWeb PA Archives page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My GGGreat grandfather lived in the McSherrystown area from about 1779 until his death in 1804. His will states that he was a "schoolmaster". Does anyone have any information on the schools that existed in the McSherrystown area during that time period? Many thanks in advance. Robert Walter

The David Zeigler who your ancestor visited in Gettysburg was probably the husband of the daughter of my ancestor, Anna Mary Long (widow of Daniel Sell) Thompson. Without looking at the records, I think her name was Hannah Sell, Anna Mary's daughter by first marriage. Mary Thompson's home was taken over by Gen Robt E Lee as his headquarters for the battles of Gettysburg. Amy McWhirter Hutton

Hi Fellow Listers: The Juniata Co. Historical Society is taking a bus to the National Archives in Washington, DC on Wednesday, April 23, 2003. The cost for the trip per person in $25.00. There will be several pickups - one will be at the Boscov's Mall, Camp Hill, Cumberland Co. at around 7:00 a.m.. We will be stopping at the Mountain Gate Family Restaurant in Thurmont, MD around 6:30 p.m for the evening meal [smorgasborg style] - this cost is not included in the $25.00. For more info. or to make reservations - contact Terry Wheeler [[email protected]] See ya on the bus!!!!!!!! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.