Good Afternoon Fellow Listers: Here's a good site to find out what happened on a specific date in time. http://dmarie.com/timecap/ Best Wishes... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Hello Jill, You will probably find everything you need at the Adams County Historical Society. Their web site will give you info. about hours, location, etc. http://www.achs-pa.org You might like to also check out the Adams Co. Pa. GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm For St. Ignatius Church and Buchanan Valley-- I'm going there tomorrow with flowers for the cemetery. I love that church and it's location. I tried writing a letter to the church a year ago requesting info. on a greatgrandfather. I never got an answer. There is a book at the ACHS with records of births, marriages and deaths. You will need to ask for it. If you are interested in a little bit of background on Buchanan Valley try http://www.genealogy.com/users/m/c/c/Erin-Mccleafbolling/FILE/0004page.html Erin has posted some notes from her grandfather. Good luck and have a wonderful trip. If you have any trouble getting into these websites, e-mail me direct and I'll send you the info. Helen

Hello all researchers. At Mother Cumberland, Reunion 2003, we will be having a MESSAGE BOARD. Anyone is welcome to submit a message to be posted on the message board.  We have set aside one entire wall to post these messages from researchers whose ancestors were in Cumberland County, PA or any of the counties who trace their parentage to Cumberland County (over 20 counties were formed from the land that was once either part of Cumberland County or near Cumberland County, PA.) We will post these in the registration area so they will hopefully be seen by most who attend the reunion. This is something different than the Surname Registry, which will be a printed book. If you want to submit a message for the board, please ...... 1.  Limit your message about your early Pennsylvania ancestor to one page for each surname or family. 2.  Please put either your name and address or e-mail address on the top of the page along with the surname(s)-of-interest.  (People will want to know how to reach you.) 3.  Please put the surname(s) in bold print or highlight them so that others can easily see which messages pertain to their families. 4.  It is fine to submit a family group sheet, pedigree chart, copies of photos, or whatever you think will enable others to "find" you as a "new" cousin. (Please DO NOT submit any originals.) 5.  No Message Board entries will be returned to their submitters.  They will be donated to the Cumberland County Historical Society following the reunion. 6.  There is no cost to submit entries for the Message Board.  This is a free service the reunion committee is offering to help as many as possible to find clues to their loved ones who walked this way so long ago. 7.  Submissions for the Message Board must be received at the address below by July 1, 2003. 8.  Please mail your Message Board entry to: Donna Cuillard Reunion 2003-Message Board 6497 Dowel Dr. #1 Simi Valley, CA 93063

I am planning a genealogical research trip to Adams County in June and am wondering if there is an Adams County Historical Library that I might visit. I was in Adams County several years ago, and seem to recall that there was a facility in Gettysburg that was only open on Monday and Wednesday, and so I was not able to inquire further. I found a web page with an e-mail address for the ACHS, but it bounced back to me. If such a facility exists, where is it located, and what hours is it open? Or, if someone could give me a phone number or email address I would love to contact them myself. I am specifically interested in any records relating to St. Ignatius Church and the surrounding area of Buchanon Valley, Orrtanna, Adams County, PA (land, wills, vital rec?). Any other suggestions for where I might go to research would be greatly appreciated (I visited the church 2 years ago, and was turned away). Thank you for your help. Jill Cullinan Researching: KNOUSE, BAKER, ECKENRODE, WALTERS _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

I have found ones in my family that the daughters were cut out because they shamed the family (so to speak). My great grandmother was cut from her fathers will because she married outside her religion (United Brethren to Lutheran) and just happened to be very pregnant at the time of her marriage. I have also seen ones that everything was left to the eldest son and no other child was given a portion. Amy

on 5/13/03 8:15 AM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > I have a copy of an old will dated August 1804. In it 4 of the children are > named. According to other records there were several other children. Does > this mean that they are dead or can there be other reasons for 'cutting them > out'? > > > Neil >From my own experience... 1. Will was written before children were born and not updated. 2. Children were not so nice to the parents. (I've actually read one in my own family were the mother gave reasons why she cut them out!) 3. The parents weren't so nice or played favorites. 4. Children died before Probate. (happens a lot in that era) 5. Children not mentioned were given their share of goodies before the Will was written, hence excluded. (also happened a lot - but not sound legally - should at least mention the children so no one is "mistakenly" left out of an inheritance) Not knowing any more particulars of the above Will, my guess would be #4. Curt Sanders -- http://www.CurtSanders.com

In a message dated 5/13/2003 3:05:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I have a copy of an old will dated August 1804. In it 4 of the children are > named. According to other records there were several other children. Does > this mean that they are dead or can there be other reasons for 'cutting > them out'? > It doesn't necessarily mean they were dead. Many times, as the children married and moved out of the area, they would be given their "share" at that time. Because of the distance in traveling, visits would be rare if at all. Also, look at when the will was written and how long before it was probated. If there is a long span, there may have been other children after he wrote the will. This is why I prefer Chancery and Equity court records (in some places they may be called Orphan's Court or other named records) which are usually brought about because of the lack of a will or a dispute in settlement or need of a clear title. In these, testimony must be given on all heirs including those deceased; and will list the deceased heirs' children many times and also gives locations of where the heirs are currently living and lists the property. So, if these are found, they are quite a treasure and better than a will. Note - If a child is listed in a will and it's notated he already received his share, this could be a clue he had moved out of the area. Also, if items such as a bed, featherdown, spinning wheel, etc are left to a daughter (wills sometimes only list the first name of the child), the chances are she is not yet married and this is her "dowry". Reading old documents can be very enlightening. - Dorinda Shepley [email protected] <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/midmdroots/frederick/">Early Frederick Co, Maryland</A> http://members.aol.com/midmdroots/frederick/

I have a copy of an old will dated August 1804. In it 4 of the children are named. According to other records there were several other children. Does this mean that they are dead or can there be other reasons for 'cutting them out'? Neil

Does anyone have any information on Peter Andrew who married Mary Ann Sanders? Their daughter Mary Ann married Daniel Woodring. Mary Ann and Daniel lived in Adams Co., PA. I am not sure where Peter and Mary Sanders Andrew were from. I have just received Mary Ann Andrew Woodring's death certificate and it listed Peter and Mary Ann Sanders Andrew as her parents. It had place of birth for father unknown and mother PA. Any help on this line would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks! Sherry Descendants of Peter Andrew Generation No. 1 1. PETER1 ANDREW He married MARY ANN SANDERS. She was born in PA. Child of PETER ANDREW and MARY SANDERS is: 2. i. MARY ANN2 ANDREW, b. February 22, 1833, Adams Co., Pa; d. August 21, 1908, Adams Co., Hamiltonban Twp., PA. Generation No. 2 2. MARY ANN2 ANDREW (PETER1) was born February 22, 1833 in Adams Co., Pa, and died August 21, 1908 in Adams Co., Hamiltonban Twp., PA. She married DANIEL WOODRING Bet. 1850 - 1880, son of AARON WOODRING and ELIZABETH HEFFNER. He was born September 13, 1836 in Franklin Co., PA, and died February 23, 1926 in Hamilton, Adams Co., PA. Children of MARY ANDREW and DANIEL WOODRING are: i. GEORGE HENRY3 WOODRING, b. 1856, PA; d. 1937; m. ANNIE CARSON, Abt. 1877; b. 1859, MD; d. 1930. ii. ELIZABETH WOODRING, b. March 07, 1861, PA; d. May 27, 1884. iii. MARGARET ANN WOODRING, b. July 16, 1863, Fairfield, Adams Co., PA; d. August 23, 1929, Hamilton Township, Adams Co., PA; m. GEORGE WASHINGTON GLADHILL, April 07, 1891, Fairfield, Adams Co., PA; b. November 04, 1836, Frederick Co., MD; d. January 25, 1923, Adams Co., PA. iv. DAVID S. WOODRING, b. January 1864, PA; d. 1959; m. ANNIE L. ?, Abt. 1887; b. October 1866; d. 1938. v. MARY B. WOODRING, b. Abt. 1866, PA. vi. AARON W. WOODRING, b. October 1867, PA; d. Aft. February 1926; m. LUCY CATHERINE MILLS, August 25, 1898, Adams Co., PA; b. May 1881, PA. vii. RACHEL G. WOODRING, b. April 03, 1869, PA; d. May 04, 1870, PA. viii. REBECCA J. WOODRING, b. Abt. 1871, PA; d. Aft. February 1926; m. ELMER D. CARBAUGH; b. Abt. 1871, PA; d. Aft. 1910. ix. JOSEPH WOODRING, b. Abt. 1873, PA; d. Aft. February 1926. x. JOHN A. WOODRING, b. Abt. 1877, PA; d. Aft. 1930.

Glynice, The Lower Bermudian Cemetery is on the grounds of the Lower Bermudian Church, which is the oldest Lutheran Church in Adams County, PA (according to the sign they have out front). This is a tiny church, but it is still in operation, holding regular services. I don't know who puts the flags on the graves. I think it is likely some veteran organization, but I'm not sure. I'm sure you could contact the church. There has not been anyone there when I visited, and I have not gotten around to contacting them yet, but it shouldn't be too difficult. The church is located on Lake Mead Road in Adams County. I'm not sure what the city would be, but you could probably get a number by calling information. I have a few pictures of the church, if you're interested. Peggy Reeves Burtonsville, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenn pomykal" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: [PAADAMS] Lower Bermudian Church Cemetery > Could anyone please tell me who puts the flags on the graves of the Veteran's in this cemetery and one would contact them? > Thanks so much. > Glynice >

Could anyone please tell me who puts the flags on the graves of the Veteran's in this cemetery and one would contact them? Thanks so much. Glynice

Hello Fellow Listers: This just came through the [email protected] list. This may help to explain why some of our ancestors birth, death or marriages were not recorded "properly" in the county court houses! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumb. Co., PA. ******************************************** Altoona Mirror, 1891 [Blair Co., PA. newspaper] Come to Time, Gentleman There is a just complaint on part of the Secretary of the Board of Health that the physicians of the city, or rather some of them, are derelict in the duty of making returns of births, deaths, etc., thus hindering the work of the Board and detaining the work of making up the yearly report. Some of the ministers are also slow about making returns of marriages performed by them, and others give just what information they have to, and that with bad grace. This state of affairs should not exist. These records are required by law to be kept, they are of value, and no one of the standing of a physician or minister in the community should throw any impediment in the way of their proper keeping. ------------------------------ Annie Whiteman PABlair Rootsweb List Administrator Annie Whiteman/Steve Patz Blair County Coordinators http://www.rootsweb.com/~pablair

Please excuse the multiple postings - just wanted to remind everyone about this Saturday's meeting. Frederick County Genealogical Society's May Lecture will be on "A Sense of Place: An Illustrated History of Frederick County, Maryland" Presented by MS Mary K. Mannix Manager of the Maryland Room at the C. Burr Artz Central Library of Frederick County Public Library System. Date: Saturday, May 10, 2003 Time: 1:00 PM - 3:00 PM Place: (annual spring away lecture) - the new C. Burr Artz Central Library 110 East Patrick St. Frederick, MD Parking is in public garage and parking lot on the west side - entrance off of East Patrick St. Please remember to get a parking token - otherwise parking in the parking lots are $1 for the entire day. Ms. Mannix will give a wonderful slide show illustrating the history of the county - and present other viewing angles for the history of the county. In addition - Mary will be presenting the forgotten, unknown, or otherwise little used sources of family history and genealogy that are available in the Maryland Room archives. MS Mannix has earned an undergraduate degree in History and Political Science from Hood College in 1982, continued her studies with a masters in American History with a Museum Studies Certificate from the University of Delaware.  She has also earned a masters degree in Library Science with concentration in archival studies from the College of Library and Informational Services in College Park from the University of Maryland. In addition to being a member and volunteer of many associations such as Mid-Atlantic Regional Archives Association, Maryland Library Association, board member and moderator for Humanities and Social Science Online, and the American Library Association, MS Mannix has authored many articles and given presentations from local to national associations.    Her numerous honors and awards support FRECOGS confidence in her knowledge and ability when it comes to Frederick County. FRECOGS next monthly lecture will be back at Homewood at Crumland Farms on June 14 - at 1 PM - where Mr. Jack Schrodel will present the first in a series of "Meet My Ancestor." Jack will give us his famous talk - about his famous ancestor - Revolutionary War Hero - Lawrence Everhart. He will tell us about his ancestor, explain how he researched his history and genealogy, and give us the related families descending from his famous ancestor. Look for other MMA's (Meet my Ancestor) in the future. For more information - please contact: Pepper Scotto [email protected]

I see Germany Twp. listed and I have Wilt/Wild buried there also. If anyone has access to the cemeteries, please keep me in mind also. Thanks, Doris Snyder [email protected]

I am looking for the burial of John Knauff/Knouff who died between 1803 and 1809 in Germany Twp., Adams Co., PA. Hoping to find him and other family members. What Lutheran Churches and cemeteries are in Germany Twp.? If anyone has a listing of burials in Germany Twp. and has time to check for John Knauff/Knouff, I would greatly appreciate the help. Thanks and have a great day! Connie

Looking for information on John Knouff who died after 1803 in Adams Co. PA. Who was his wife, when was he born and where? I have an abstract of his will written 1803 and probated 1808. Knouff, John - Germany Twp, weak. Children: John, Elizabeth LOHR, Adam, Ann Mary, Margaret HASPELHORN, Anthony; exec: son Adam, John WEIKART. If anyone has information on any of these children or John Knouff please contact me. Connie

Hello, I am new to this list. Looking for information on George Bolen who lived in Adams Co., circa 1810. Would like to know if anyone as any information on this family. I am hoping to find that this George Bolen had a daughter named Sarah, born 1805. In 1820, there is a George Bolen living in Bedford Co. The age would be correct, but Sarah is married by then. Any information would be most appreciated. Thanks, Dan F.

Can anybody help him? ---------- From: "David Schmidt" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:41:26 -0400 Subject: Mason Adams co Hamiltonban twp-Mary Mason>married George Dixon abt 1877>Mary Mason was b- Antrim PA>they were on the 1880 census George Dixon,wife Mary and son Charles age 2.I ma searching for Mary Mason parents.Any information would be appreciated.Thank you Searching for John Thomas Mason;may be the father to Mary Mason b- Antrim abt 1863.John Thomas Mason wife was MIldred Baumgardner.If anyone could look up to see if they had a daughter Mary b- about 1863 would appreciate it.Mary Mason >m-George Dixon>they are on the 1880 census Adams co,Hamiltonban twp.ANy information would be appreciated thank you.

http://www.PaSpanishAmericanWar.com has just posted the names of over 1000 Pennsylvania soldiers who served with the 4th regiment Volunteers during the Spanish-American War of 1898-1899. The names are from Adams and other PA counties. http://www.paspanishamericanwar.com/rosters.html Rosters of Pa Volunteers 1898-1899. Information for each soldier includes is Name, Rank, Company, Residence, Date of Enrollment, Promotions, Mustered In Date, Mustered Out Date or Date of Death. There is also a regimental history for each regiment posted. You can use these rosters to send away to the Veteran's Administration or NARA for a soldier's pension records. Pension records usually include date and place of birth, proof of marriage, proof of children's birth, death certificates, medical records, places lived since serving, and sometimes more. http://www.paspanishamericanwar.com/help.html contains instructions explaining how to obtain for your ancestor's pension records. Happy Searching, Kathi

>From your County Coordinator, Adams Co. PA GenWeb Project: * I finally added a research piece on the Manor of Maske from Jane Tripp. Thanks Jane! It has lots of names and info. You can find it under the Deeds Board in the Boards link at the home page website * new Map link * Military update on Civil War and American Revolution pages * various updates and changes in the Misc. page Of course, any changes, corrections or updates are always welcome! Curt Sanders, Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~paadams/adams.htm