In a message dated 3/29/2004 2:12:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, debra@javacoded.com writes: Joan, This is definately my Sallie. You have the same list of children's names that I have. Amos was my great great. He married Susannah HARBOLD. Their dau. Helena was my great. She married John V. McCauley. Their son, William, was my grandfather. I haven't done any real research. Everything I know I have obtained from the studying the census records. One of these days I'd like to make a trip to York. My husband has an aunt who also has roots in York (family name-Glatfeldter) and we've discussed making the trip together. Maybe one of these days if my life ever slows down... Thanks for the help you've given me on this. I'm most appreciative. Debra ---- Debra- I had not seen your message when I replied to June. I think with June's help and my records you have probably found both Jacob and Sallie. I'm certain these are the right LEIB and ARNOLD families. I descend from TWO LEIB lines--that of Johannes LEIB who arrived in PA in 1727 and also from Ulrich LEIB who arrived on another ship the same year. I had long thought the two families were probably connected but had not found evidence to tie Ulrich to the better researched Johannes LEIPP line. I recently saw another GEDCOM on WorldConnect which seems to have provided the missing links to tie both lines together showing that Ulrich and Johannes were brothers. I've not checked this out but the pieces seem to fit. See Nina Harkey's WorldConnect GEDCOM: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=harzed&id=I07029 Joan