In a message dated 3/29/2004 12:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joone1498@aol.com writes: I also have this Jacob Arnold in my tree, but I show him as the grandson of Samuel and Barbara. I show John Arnold and Mary Jacobs as Jacob's parents. I have Samuel and Barbara's son Jacob as being born in 1811. June- You could well be correct. I did NOT have a date for Jacob son of Samuel and Barbara--only for my Lucy of about 1817. In any case, the Jacob who married Sallie Leib would have to be somewhere in this Arnold family. I have not checked the census records for Samuel and Barbara as yet. Maybe you can connect Mary Jacobs in your line somewhere. Please let me know if this is of any help. I don't think the census records would tell us what we are looking for in this case at this early date. The children wouldn't be named. I've been to Samuel and Barbara's graves--as I recall they are buried at Mummert's Meeting House cemetery--I don't know if there are records for them or children or grandchildren at this church. Joan

Hi Joan, It's been some time since we corresponded, I believe at that time I was trying to track down another Jacob Arnold (1770). I also have this Jacob Arnold in my tree, but I show him as the grandson of Samuel and Barbara. I show John Arnold and Mary Jacobs as Jacob's parents. I have Samuel and Barbara's son Jacob as being born in 1811. I don't know how acc urate my records are and I hope I am not confusing you any more than you already are. I have not checked the census records for Samuel and Barbara as yet. Maybe you can connect Mary Jacobs in your line somewhere. Please let me know if this is of any help. June

There are Arnold's connected to Aldingers etc in York County. I have an email address for a Snyder connected to the Arnold's but contact me off line at cehaughee@aol.com Kaye

In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:10:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cgs1996@aol.com writes: I am hoping to find information about Jacob ARNOLD who married Sarah (Sallie) LEIB. In the 1850 census Jacob and Sallie were 28 and 26. ---- Debra- I think I know who both of them are although this is mostly conjecture--you will have to find the proof. I believe Jacob Arnold is the son of Samuel Arnold, Jr. and wife Barbara (maiden name unknown). This Jacob is the brother of my ancestor Lucy Arnold, born ca 1817 who married Christian Zinn. I believe that Sallie/Sarah Leib is the daughter of Henry Leib and wife Magdalena (maiden name unknown although at one time I thought I knew her maiden name--but now she is back in the unknown column). This Sallie/Sarah is the sister of my ancestor Harriet Leib. The reason I think the above are the likely Arnold and Leib connections for you are that these two families are connected in other ways and the approx. dates would also fit. My Lucy Arnold married Christian Zinn and they had a daughter Maria who married Conrad Myers. They are my 2nd great-grandparents. My Harriet Leib married Samuel Hoffheins and their daughter Matilda married Henry Myers, son of Conrad and Maria Zinn Myers. Henry and Matilda Hoffheins Myers are my great-grandparents. See my WorldConnect file for more information on the ancestors of Henry Leib and Samuel Arnold, Jr. http://wc.rootsweb.com/~joan_young . Joan

In goung through some old mailing list data I came upon your letter. Are you ARNOLDS connected to SELEMEYER in York PA or have any connection to an ice cream company? Chuck Schober, Melissa, TX In a message dated 2/7/2004 11:39:01 AM Central Standard Time, drhigh@netins.net writes: I am hoping to find information about Jacob ARNOLD who married Sarah (Sallie) LEIB. In the 1850 census Jacob and Sallie were 28 and 26. Their children were Amos and John. Amos was my great great grandfather. In the 1860 census Jacob and Sallie's children were Amos, John, Allice Henry and Wesley. In the 1870 census they had a son named Oliver who was 6. Jacob and his sons were millers by trade. John married a girl named Amanda. Amos married Susannah (Susan) Harbold. Their children were Martha (died before 1900), Henry William, John, Harriet (Hattie), Minerva and Helena. Hattie married David Horn. Helena (my great grandmother) married John Vincent McCauley. Thanks so much for your time in reading this and for any help you might be able to give me. Sincerely, Debra

Does anyone know if this Shultz family left York County Pa. and ended up in Rockingham, Va? (This if from a will) Name: George Shultz Description: Son Date: 15 Apr 1794 Prove Date: 9 Jun 1794 Remarks: Jacob Shultz. Apr 15, 1794. Executors: Braltzer Fitz and George Dietz. Hellam Township. Wife: Eve Shultz. Children: Jacob, George, Henry, Adam, John, Catharine, Eve, Gertrude, Elizabeth and Susanna. Our George Shultz married a Hannah Trace(or Grace) in Rockingham, Va in 1815. She was the daughter of deceased Michael Trace and sister of Betsy Trace. The only children I know George & Hannah had was Abraham b. 1825, and then David b. 1836 and maybe a Beachy. I would think there were more looking at the age span. George died and Hannah remarried a Cromer in Rockingham, Va. about 1840. Rhonda

From another standpoint...over 30 years ago when the Church started this program there was not the access to public records like there is now and what was available was pretty much useless. People relied on thier family Bibles, their personal knowledge as well as that of their parents and grandparents. I have been surprised by many who still in this day and age can't tell you who their great grandparents were. Our country probably had the heaviest influx of immigrants less than 100 years before this began. The idea of record keeping was only beginning to catch on. This is evident when you research the Census records. Luckily someone in their wisdom had the notion to collect more than the "Male" head of household and how many people were under his roof This is not so hard to understand. Most great endeavors have rocky starts and the fact that one can recognize an error in the system shows it is working. Researchers now know how impotant it is to have the resources to prove their work. Its all just pretty fasinating. No excuses needed!

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Some reasons for some "LDS"/"Familysearch" records being confusing: May be copied and forwarded. Resent-Message-ID: <xKHnE.A.SPE.6t4VAB@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/14174 X-Loop: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OHFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-AOL-IP: 66.43.18.41 To any who are reading this email: Apparently, there is a need for this to be posted onto other sites other than the specific Rootsweb site to which it was originally posted. The following has been slightly changed in order to provide more explanation to those not of the original group. Permission is granted by me to send this on to any other family member or researcher or group which may need this explanation to help with their research and understanding, you do not need to contact me in order to do this. Just send it on; and, keep researching. [If anyone translates this into German, French, Spanish, Gaelic or Russian may I have a copy, please?] (NOTE: If the words are too spread out or large on a screen: then try clicking on this message and pressing (together) (Ctrl A) then (Ctrl C) [or Copy and Paste]; open an "New" Mail Message, put the cursor/arrow in the blank white area (where a message goes), click (Ctrl V) (together) [or whatever your program uses]; and, it should show up in the new mail message; if! not, then retry again pressing the keys more firmly. This original message is in the typeface called Arial and at 8 point and Bold (anything in red is done in ArialBLACK but, would be fine for copying in the Arial 8 Bold.) Thank you, M.M. Von Ville 16/MAR/04 ~ ...Some reasons for some "LDS"/"Familysearch" records being confusing... I am a not speaking as a Church official representative, just as a member; and, thru my following opinion, can explain some things which may seem confusing to, and have been questioned by, genealogical researchers here or elsewhere. Some of the LDS information submitted by members was done about 30 years ago when the Church asked members to try to submit their first 4 generations. Many submitted more if they had it. Some of the members were extremely enthusiastic and submitted what they had been told by their families. Most of our members had NO idea there would be anything like the Internet or Personal Computers or even sites such as this nor that many many others who are not members would ever even see what was submitted!!! We were doing what then seemed confusing to many of us; and, of course, mistakes were made out of enthusiasm and simply being new at it and untrained. The Church (The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints previously nicknamed "LDS" or "Mormons" ) did and still does have classes (anyone many attend.) Many years ago some were unable to attend classes and did the best they could with what they had. As members found more how to do this properly some of those same names were resubmitted with the information from whatever new sources were found resulting in spelling, date and many other differences than those first submissions. Again, please remember, we were new at this and not experts by any means! Current researchers should adhere to the best accepted genealogical procedure which is to go to the ORIGINAL sources and recheck the data. There are many positive things which can be said about the members' submissions: eg. if there are 3 different sources from different submissions at least a researcher has an idea of 3 different sources to check! Much better than having NO idea where to search or if there were other children or what the wife's name or mother's name or father's name and dates and places were! Personally, this past year I have received hundreds of years of validated information from the original source from the Internet; and, a non member whom I know, found 400 years of original sources and documented families in one search at the LDS www.familysearch.org site. There are many good, well identified and correct families and research there :) Researchers now have it so so much easier and can obtain information in an extremely short time instead of our months or years of waiting to find something which current researchers think nothing about now. I hope some of them appreciate what the members could do at the time because it was much of the base of the massive amount of information now available; and, many many thousands, if not millions, of them have been greatly helped in this great God-given Work. (Malachi, last Book in the Old Testament, Chapter 4, last Chapter in the Old Testament, and verse 6, last verse in the Old Testament is some Scriptural reason for us doing this; and, yes, we do believe that Elijah the prophet has already come; and, that this Work is of God who is the Heavenly Father of all humans who were, are and will be.) God bless all of you wonderful researchers! M.M. Von Ville, an LDS convert of many years who is grateful computers are making this Work so very much easier! P.S. An email site has been set up and will be checked occasionally. This is for convenience sake in the case that anyone may need some other appropriate further assistance regarding this message or questions or wishes to make other appropriate comments. The email is: myopinionNOTaChurchSite@hotmail.com and it IS MY opinion and IS NOT part of an LDS Church site! 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I'am sarch of information on Andrew Wieder said to have been born Oct 18 1824 to Feb 4 1899 and said to have been married to Sophia 1819-1913. We need to know if he had a daughter by the name of Sarah and any other children having a problem finding information that can be verified. Tnx. Charles R.

Hi, Kim: Can you provide some dates? I have a number of Sechrist families on my family trees, including 1 John, 2 Adams... Debra On Friday, Mar 5, 2004, at 00:34 US/Eastern, Kim S. wrote: > Looking for the family of John Henry Sechrist, who fought in the civil > war. We have his orginal cap from that war! We understand that there > is an Adam Sechrist/seigrist? in the family. Any info would be > appreciated. One Uncle say that there is a SechristFamily History Book > some where????? Anyone know? > > Thank you, > Kim Sechrist > wife of Jeff > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose > from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== > Have you been to the Pennsylvania Roots Network at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you. I will check into that! I hate to search and search when its already there. I would like to update things if needed. Thanks again. I am 1 hour away so I will take the time and look one day! KIM ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Steve Pritt" <spritt@cfl.rr.com> Reply-To: PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com To: PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAYorkGEN] John Henry Sechrist Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:06:11 -0500 Hi, There is a Sechrist family book at the York County Historical Society Library on Market St. Saw it there a few years ago. I'm in Florida so won't be much help to you, but maybe someone else can help. I've got a Sechrist in my line, too, but haven't researched that line. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim S. To: PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [PAYorkGEN] John Henry Sechrist Looking for the family of John Henry Sechrist, who fought in the civil war. We have his orginal cap from that war! We understand that there is an Adam Sechrist/seigrist? in the family. Any info would be appreciated. One Uncle say that there is a SechristFamily History Book some where????? Anyone know? Thank you, Kim Sechrist wife of Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage - 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== Have you been to the Pennsylvania Roots Network at: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== This is the official list of the York County, Pennsylvania USGENWEB Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~payork/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Hi, There is a Sechrist family book at the York County Historical Society Library on Market St. Saw it there a few years ago. I'm in Florida so won't be much help to you, but maybe someone else can help. I've got a Sechrist in my line, too, but haven't researched that line. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim S. To: PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [PAYorkGEN] John Henry Sechrist Looking for the family of John Henry Sechrist, who fought in the civil war. We have his orginal cap from that war! We understand that there is an Adam Sechrist/seigrist? in the family. Any info would be appreciated. One Uncle say that there is a SechristFamily History Book some where????? Anyone know? Thank you, Kim Sechrist wife of Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage - 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== Have you been to the Pennsylvania Roots Network at: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Question: What is the purpose of participating in the DNA testing if you do not receive any results? Leah

I noticed your posts about the Sechrist line. Our FRITZ line connects with the Sechrist line. Two children of Frederic Fritz married Sechrist siblings who were both born in the 1820s and 1830s. Eliza Fritz, daughter of Frederic, married Samuel SECRIST, and Joseph Fritz, son of Frederic, married Catherine SECRIST. Below are some notes on Frederic FRITZ: !SOURCE: death certificate of Sarah Ann Fritz McCulloh lists Fredric, father -BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD OF HENRY CO., IL 1904 gives Frederick as father of Ellen Fritz Myers and says he "spent his entire life in Franklin Co., PA." In the IGI on the family search.com website, I found info that someone had sent in: Frederic Fritz, born 1794 in Warren Twnshp, Franklin, PA and married Margaret Bivens about 1822. He died 28 Sep 1862. Margaret was born in 1801 in Warren Twnshp, Franklin, PA, and died about 1862. One son is listed--Joseph, born 1829, married Catherine SECRIST, born 1831, about 1849. Both Joseph and Catherine were born in Warren Twnshp, Franklin Co., PA. She died 18 Aug 1859. No children are listed for them. Also, in the IGI I found info about a Frederick Fritz who married Nancy Mayers on 7 Feb 1832 in Waynesboro, Franklin Co., PA. No children or other info listed.

I am interested in knowing where you did your research. I'm new to this and have found a few things at the York Archives and some at the York Co Heritage Trust. My brother and I are researching Raub/Robb/Raab - mainly trying to distinguish the George Robb (3 of em) in Chanceford Twp. circa 1800. If you come across anything, let me know. Good luck in your search - you have done an excellent job thus far. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <MyRootz2@aol.com> To: <PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [PAYorkGEN] Hock & Amendt > > My main objective here is to find who the parents are for Johannes Heck/ > Hake/ Hoke b. abt 1750-1760 and Catherine Frey b. 10 Aug 1760. > I am guessing that Conrad was born about 1710-1730. There is a Conrad > Hoch who is mentioned as one of the purchasers associateed with Madam Marie > Ferree who settled in the Connestoga Twp/Strasburg Twp area.This Conrad hock > had two son's a George and Samuel who moved to York. > I found a marriage record for Johannes Hage s/o Conrad Hag and Catherine Frey > d/o "late" John Frey in East Cocalico , Lancaster Co , Marriages. This couple > settled in Lower Chanceford Twp, near New Bridgville, in now York CO., PA. > > They lived near Muddy Creek Fork in York Co very near McCalls Ferry. There > are many Frey's in the area and Hake's, and Haugh's. > There is a Hans George Hege and a Balthazar Heck there in Muddy Creek as well > and some have tried ot tell me that the Conrad I seek is the son of George. > This doesn't work as George's son Conrad was born in 1747 and was married in > NC. > I have also found a passengers record for a Conrad Hage at Philadelphia in > 1753. > > > George Ament died in 1770 (Wills J-64) and his will mentions his wife > Catherine, sons: George and Jacob; daughters: Merrilles, married to Adam Gartner, > Catherine married to John Stork, Anna Margaret married to Gotfried Frey,CATHERINE > ELIZABETH b. Hellam Twp, now York Co married CONRAD HOKE and Barbara who > married Jacob Schultz of Crays Craig. > ____________________________________________ > ____________________________________________ > > > In the will index there is a will for a Conrad Hoke dated 1814. > and there is no Conrad Hoak ,Hage or Hoke etc in the Index to the 1750 Tax > Records. But there is in 1770 Hoak Conrad taxed 1769 in Strasburg and also > in 1771 aa Conrad Hoak. > In 1780 Tax Records is a Conrad Hoak in Strasburg in 1779...there is also > a George Hoak there at this time . > > Thanks for your help! Melissa > > > ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== > Come join us at the Pennsylvania Dutch website at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Are you looking for the Sechrists who resided in York County - Windsor Township? K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim S." <obsaved@hotmail.com> To: <PA-YORK-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [PAYorkGEN] John Henry Sechrist > Looking for the family of John Henry Sechrist, who fought in the civil war. > We have his orginal cap from that war! We understand that there is an Adam > Sechrist/seigrist? in the family. Any info would be appreciated. One Uncle > say that there is a SechristFamily History Book some where????? Anyone know? > > Thank you, > Kim Sechrist > wife of Jeff > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage - 4 plans to choose from! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== > Have you been to the Pennsylvania Roots Network at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Looking for the family of John Henry Sechrist, who fought in the civil war. We have his orginal cap from that war! We understand that there is an Adam Sechrist/seigrist? in the family. Any info would be appreciated. One Uncle say that there is a SechristFamily History Book some where????? Anyone know? Thank you, Kim Sechrist wife of Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

My main objective here is to find who the parents are for Johannes Heck/ Hake/ Hoke b. abt 1750-1760 and Catherine Frey b. 10 Aug 1760. I am guessing that Conrad was born about 1710-1730. There is a Conrad Hoch who is mentioned as one of the purchasers associateed with Madam Marie Ferree who settled in the Connestoga Twp/Strasburg Twp area.This Conrad hock had two son's a George and Samuel who moved to York. I found a marriage record for Johannes Hage s/o Conrad Hag and Catherine Frey d/o "late" John Frey in East Cocalico , Lancaster Co , Marriages. This couple settled in Lower Chanceford Twp, near New Bridgville, in now York CO., PA. They lived near Muddy Creek Fork in York Co very near McCalls Ferry. There are many Frey's in the area and Hake's, and Haugh's. There is a Hans George Hege and a Balthazar Heck there in Muddy Creek as well and some have tried ot tell me that the Conrad I seek is the son of George. This doesn't work as George's son Conrad was born in 1747 and was married in NC. I have also found a passengers record for a Conrad Hage at Philadelphia in 1753. George Ament died in 1770 (Wills J-64) and his will mentions his wife Catherine, sons: George and Jacob; daughters: Merrilles, married to Adam Gartner, Catherine married to John Stork, Anna Margaret married to Gotfried Frey,CATHERINE ELIZABETH b. Hellam Twp, now York Co married CONRAD HOKE and Barbara who married Jacob Schultz of Crays Craig. ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ In the will index there is a will for a Conrad Hoke dated 1814. and there is no Conrad Hoak ,Hage or Hoke etc in the Index to the 1750 Tax Records. But there is in 1770 Hoak Conrad taxed 1769 in Strasburg and also in 1771 aa Conrad Hoak. In 1780 Tax Records is a Conrad Hoak in Strasburg in 1779...there is also a George Hoak there at this time . Thanks for your help! Melissa

Here is the "head of household" listings for Amendt in PA. Does anything seem familiar? AMENDT EMILY 33 F W PA PA NORTHAMPTON 2-WD EASTON 1900   AMENDT F GEORGE 46 M W MD PA PHILADELPHIA 1-WD PHILADELPHIA 1900   AMENDT GEORGE 38 M W PA PA PHILADELPHIA 26-WD PHILADELPHIA 1920   AMENDT GEORGE F 56 M W MD PA PHILADELPHIA 26-WD PHILADELPHIA 1910   AMENDT GEORGE F 65 M W MD PA PHILADELPHIA 26-WD PHILADELPHIA 1920   AMENDT JACOB 41 M W PA PA PHILADELPHIA 39-WD PHILADELPHIA 1920   AMENDT JACOB P 33 M W PA PA PHILADELPHIA 39-WD PHILADELPHIA 1910   AMENDT JACUBA 82 M W PA PA CAMBRIA LILLY 1920   AMENDT JOHN   M W PA PA LACKAWANNA 10-WD SCRANTON 1900   AMENDT JOHN C 44 M W PA PA LACKAWANNA 17-WD SCRANTON 1920   AMENDT JOHN R 31 M W PA PA ALLEGHENY 2-WD BRADDOCK BORO 1900   AMENDT JOSEPH 50 M W PA PA ALLEGHENY TARENTUM BORO 1900   AMENDT LOUIS 25 M W NJ PA PHILADELPHIA 42-WD PHILADELPHIA 1910   AMENDT LOUIS F 32 M W PA PA LACKAWANNA 10-WD SCRANTON 1910   AMENDT MARY 42 F W PA PA NORTHAMPTON PALMER TWP 1910   AMENDT WILHEMINA 58 F W GERM PA LACKAWANNA 10-WD SCRANTON 1900   AMENDT WILLIAM 37 M W PA PA LACKAWANNA 10-WD SCRANTON 1900 Debra > On Wednesday, Mar 3, 2004, at 19:10 US/Eastern, MyRootz2@aol.com wrote: > >> Seeking information on the family of Conrad Hock and Catherine >> Elizabeth >> Amendt. >> also Johannes Heck and Catherine Frey/Ferree/Frei b. Aug 10 1960. >> Believe >> her to be the same as listed below: >> >> PASTORAL ACTS AT THE LUTHERAN & REFORMED CONGREGATION OF >> THE MUDDY CRREK CHRUCH EAST COCALICO TWP., LANCASTER CO.,PA >> 1730-1790 >> R929.37481 R311 v.5 >> p.207 confirmed in the year 1777: CATHERINE FREY 17yrs. >> >> Any one know who her parents were? >> >> >> >> ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== >> This is the official list of the York County, Pennsylvania USGENWEB >> Project at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~payork/ >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > > ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== > This is the official list of the York County, Pennsylvania USGENWEB > Project at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~payork/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Here is a "head of household" listing for Cocalico Twp., Lancaster Co., PA in 1790. Maybe one of these is the right family. FREY LUDWG PA LANCASTER COCALICO TWP 1790 FREY MARTIN PA LANCASTER COCALICO TWP 1790 Can you provide some dates for Hock & Amendt? Debra On Wednesday, Mar 3, 2004, at 19:10 US/Eastern, MyRootz2@aol.com wrote: > Seeking information on the family of Conrad Hock and Catherine > Elizabeth > Amendt. > also Johannes Heck and Catherine Frey/Ferree/Frei b. Aug 10 1960. > Believe > her to be the same as listed below: > > PASTORAL ACTS AT THE LUTHERAN & REFORMED CONGREGATION OF > THE MUDDY CRREK CHRUCH EAST COCALICO TWP., LANCASTER CO.,PA 1730-1790 > R929.37481 R311 v.5 > p.207 confirmed in the year 1777: CATHERINE FREY 17yrs. > > Any one know who her parents were? > > > > ==== PA-YORK-GEN Mailing List ==== > This is the official list of the York County, Pennsylvania USGENWEB > Project at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~payork/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >