--=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by what route. 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, blah. 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has a Historical Society. Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. Al At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >Hey folks, > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest >search for that street location. > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the >body buried so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember >hearing about as a small girl? > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > >Rod Fleck --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======4181942=======--
AL - THANK YOU!! This gives me a reference point. That is a great starting point. I went back and checked the ages - my great grand mother was born in 1905, her grandfather died in 1911. So it is possible that this was the person she was referencing, but heaven only knows. During the last few years of her life some of the things she remembered, no one else had ever heard of before. There were only two of her grandparents who died in the heart of Winter...but again, it could be just a red herring. Hey, went to map quest and thanks to your directions, I pulled up a map and just a bit south of the intersection you gave me there is a "SURGEON ALL" -- It is a 1/2 mile East of Baldwin and 1/2 a mile West of Bellevue Plaza near a GERRY DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT RESPONSE AL...Made my morning! Rod -----Original Message----- From: Al Lenkner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by what route. 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, blah. 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has a Historical Society. Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. Al At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >Hey folks, > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest >search for that street location. > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember >hearing about as a small girl? > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > >Rod Fleck --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======4181942=======--
--=======7D9D225======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-A4B1174; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, I'm glad that it made your day. I do have a question. What map are you looking for? I tried to follow your directions but......... you didn't mention whether Baldwin was the township or the borough. There are only 2 Gerry Drives in Allegheny County and I've located the one that you mention but I'm still puzzled. I'm not aware of any Bellevue Plaza near Gerry Drive. Can you scan the section of the map that you're looking at and email it to me or, if you're looking online, give me the URL. Al At 10:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >AL - THANK YOU!! This gives me a reference point. That is a great >starting point. > >I went back and checked the ages - my great grand mother was born in 1905, >her grandfather died in 1911. So it is possible that this was the person >she was referencing, but heaven only knows. During the last few years of >her life some of the things she remembered, no one else had ever heard of >before. There were only two of her grandparents who died in the heart of >Winter...but again, it could be just a red herring. > >Hey, went to map quest and thanks to your directions, I pulled up a map and >just a bit south of the intersection you gave me there is a "SURGEON >ALL" -- It is a 1/2 mile East of Baldwin and 1/2 a mile West of Bellevue >Plaza near a GERRY DRIVE. > >THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT RESPONSE AL...Made my morning! > >Rod > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? > >--=======4181942======= >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; >format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Rod, > >The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp >was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to >nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their >neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: > >1. It was on Brownsville Rd. >2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by >what route. >3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, >blah. >4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. > >Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the >intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago >about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for >travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most >important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my >choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has >a Historical Society. > >Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's >recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you >furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a >family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great >grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably >go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's >impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. > >Al > > >At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: > > >Hey folks, > > > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line > >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > > > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can > >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage > >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in > >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no > >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a >mapquest > >search for that street location. > > > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no > >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > > > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once > >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice > >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the > >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. > >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few > >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember > >hearing about as a small girl? > > > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > > > >Rod Fleck > >--=======4181942======= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; >x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > >--=======4181942=======-- > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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