Always helps me if I actually pull the documents that I have... A researcher, a great person who really helped me a lot, checked the Pittsburgh Press for the days of 13-16 Jan 1911. They got the cemetery permit to bury him on the 16th of January. But, there is an odd story in the family about one set of ancestors that apparently were not buried right away due to a winter storm. Well there are only two potential candidates for this...one is Frederick Bode and I am starting to think it might be why there was no obituary in the Pittsburgh Press. Post Gazette - well in theory I am in Pittsburgh for a research trip in November...helping on another project. But, I could search that time frame while I am there. Carnegie is on the list - Heinz Center as well. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Raber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? Rod, What about the Post gazette? There used to be one years ago, when I lived there in the mid-1970's80's. Carnegie Library of Oakland has newspapers. Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Al Lenkner <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/23/2004 2:06:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Rod, > > The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp > was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to > nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their > neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: > > 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. > 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by > what route. > 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, > blah. > 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. > > Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the > intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago > about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for > travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most > important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my > choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has > a Historical Society. > > Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's > recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you > furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a > family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great > grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably > go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's > impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. > > Al > > > At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: > > >Hey folks, > > > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line > >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > > > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can > >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage > >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in > >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no > >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest > >search for that street location. > > > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no > >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > > > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once > >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice > >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the > >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. > >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few > >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember > >hearing about as a small girl? > > > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > > > >Rod Fleck > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > --=======4181942=======-- > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

--=======8457D51======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2D2BCC1; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, Burials delayed due to weather, primarily the cold, are delayed but the ceremony isn't. The coffins are usually stored on the cemetery grounds. In 1911, most people were laid out at home but I can't see them laying grandpa out in the shed until the ground warmed up or, worse yet, putting down in the root cellar to keep fresh. I suspect that the body, even then, was transported to the cemetery for safe keeping. I worked as a professional but part-time pall bearer years ago but I don't recall ever having a ceremony delayed for the cold and I've been at funerals when the temperature was as low as 4 below. Al At 11:33 PM 9/24/2004, you wrote: >Always helps me if I actually pull the documents that I have... > >A researcher, a great person who really helped me a lot, checked the >Pittsburgh Press for the days of 13-16 Jan 1911. They got the cemetery >permit to bury him on the 16th of January. But, there is an odd story in >the family about one set of ancestors that apparently were not buried right >away due to a winter storm. Well there are only two potential candidates >for this...one is Frederick Bode and I am starting to think it might be why >there was no obituary in the Pittsburgh Press. > >Post Gazette - well in theory I am in Pittsburgh for a research trip in >November...helping on another project. But, I could search that time frame >while I am there. Carnegie is on the list - Heinz Center as well. > >Rod --=======8457D51======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2D2BCC1 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 9/22/2004 --=======8457D51=======--