Elsie died at 80 years of age in 1986 John A died in 1992 John died in Turtle Creek in 1971 Lottie died in Monroeville in 1972 Joseph M born abt 898 died in Ventura,California Margaret a former Ruffing was born in Penn in 1910 and died in Ventura Co California 1984 John A born 1909 in Penn died in Clearwater Florida in 1992 Definetly a Penn Family French or Phillipino.?/ If there origin is Hampshire,England,We are related