I'm searching for a copy of the early marriage record of James GOGGIN who m. Mary MADDEN on 25 March 1856 in Pittsburgh, PA. No other information is available. I am assuming that they were Roman Catholic, but don't know for sure. Any suggestions on tracking down this record would be appreciated. Thanks! **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Al, Thank you for posting this !!! It is wonderful, it will certainly keep me busy and learning. A Happy new Year to all, Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: pa-pittsburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-pittsburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alenkner@stargate.net Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:31 PM To: PA-PITTSBURGH; PAALLEGH@rootsweb.com; pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: [PA-PITTSBURGH] Ancestry Research found in Modern Education Tools from gencmp, a Rootsweb list marrying computers and genealogy. I'm posting this to give you listers something to do until the holidays are over. Al Ancestry Research found in Modern Education Tools New Year's Day updates <www.academic-genealogy.com/> Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory Examples: Top Search Engines and Directories http://www.academic-genealogy.com/topsearchenginesdirectories.htm brings out the best, under Instructions for General Internet Use. We have added, The Open University's OpenLearn website: Information on the Web (T180_5) Foundation skills to use search engines confidently to locate both information and images on the Web and learn how to critically assess and reference the information you have found for study purposes. Beginning on page 13, is #3.3 Focused search sites "An alternative to using general purpose search engines is to make use of focused search engines that only index known genealogical sites. . . ." http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182768 Beginning on page 28, is an Appendix: Genealogical Resources http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182798 Schools - Colleges - Universities: Alumni and Genealogy Education http://www.academic-genealogy.com/schoolscollegesuniversities.htm now has a worldwide comprehensive resource for current open online distance education, under Online Education and Resources. Besides having a "Massive List of Free Education Online For Autodidacts", which includes tons of educational resources, such as learning languages on iTunes, there is Open Education Resources (OER) Index. This site includes: "teaching and learning materials that are freely available online for everyone to use, whether you are an instructor, student, or self-learner. Examples of OER include: full courses, course modules, syllabi, lectures, homework assignments, quizzes, lab and classroom activities, pedagogical materials, games, simulations, and many more resources contained in digital media collections from around the world." http://cwr.unitar.edu.my/file.php/1/Index.htm REPOSITORIES of interest include Fathom Archive, provided by Columbia University, which has: Jewish Studies, . . . " Hebrew manuscripts reflect regional variations in materials, culture and religious sensibility, and they consider how scribal practices and literary tastes evolved over the centuries . . ." http://www.fathom.com/special/jewish_studies/index.html . . . University of California eScholarship Repository has: Objectivity in History, . . . The purpose of this paper is to define a concept of objectivity based on criteria of comparison, . . . http://repositories.cdlib.org/postprints/1099/ . . . Wikipedia, with its related WikiEducator, developing free and open educational content for the world. . . . " a partnership that will make it possible to obtain high quality print and word processor copies of articles from Wikipedia and other wiki educational resources. . . ." http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/wndReader.asp?ArticleId=40445 Additionally, on another side (just the tip of the ice burg), is: Computer - Internet - Software: Genealogy Programs http://www.academic-genealogy.com/computerinternetsoftware.htm Support for Photography & Digital Preservation has: Picturing the family http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2688&topic=all " These photographs provide another type of record that can offer insights into our family history. But what can they tell us? How can we elicit the information they hold? And how do we analyse or evaluate that information? The purpose of this unit is to suggest how to approach the interpretation of the photographic record. . . ." Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENCMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a John McGarvey b: 1854 and m: Mary Millisa Schlagel (my Grandaunt) I'm looking for their wedding date/ also I can't seem to find the first name of one of her daughters Mrs. Walter Gibson. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. also do you happen to have John's complete birth and death dates? Beatrice (Schlagel) Parker West Sunbury, PA

Forward with permission from Burnis................. And I think he said it so well, but the "Pats on the back go out" to all you that found the path, to give this Special Gift for the Christmas Season To "OUR LITTLE POLISH NURSE & HUSBAND" What a beautiful gift provided by a bunch of ANGELS................ CARPE DIEM, Wonderful letter and this is pretty much what the Christmas season is all about, isn't it? People helping other people and maybe going out of their way to do so. When I saw your first letter my first thought was, "Someone/s are going to find the answer to this and it won't be long." So glad I was correct, but knew I was as this is just the sort of thing genealogists love to get their teeth into. Pats on the back to you for offering to help this lovely nurse and family. Burnis Argo **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Forward with permission from Burnis................. And I think he said it so well, but the Pats on the back go out to all you that found the path, to give this Special Gift for the Christmas Season To "OUR LITTLE POLISH NURSE & HUSBAND" What a beautiful gift provided by a bunch of ANGELS................ CARPE DIEM, Lori >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Thank you Geni Friend Judy, That is wonderful, and you are another whiz, always there to find the way for so many of us with your kind generosity and capabilities. What would folks like me do with out all the "PROFESSIONALS" that so readily jump in and guide the way............................ Happy & Blessed New Year to All Of You......................... CARPE DIEM, Lori **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Thank you Geni Friend Donna, I will send this to her & have her call them, they may be G-Grandfather's family? I will tell her they were sent to her by you Honey........................helping her find any family in the USA that they never knew of? Another wonderful gift to our "LITTLE POLISH NURSE" CARPE DIEM, & HAPPY NEW YEAR Lori ; ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Found these two listings in the white pages maybe they belong to her Donna _Wojtania, Beata_ (http://whitepages.aol.com/_1_HMYUTD02329D7T__aolwp.aols/white-pages/kevdb?kcfg=wpus&showrec=32194753:res-us&OTMPL=/white-pages/details.h tm&QN=Wojtania&QF=&QC=&QS=) 4713 W Belmont Ave Chicago, IL 60641-4407 773-282-4267 Mariusz Wojtania 6137 56th Dr Maspeth, NY 11378-2407 718-326-3557 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

All my Genealogists friends, I know you will love to hear the responce of love from our Dear Little Polish Nurse, that all of you so opened your caring hearts of love, and give her the Light Of Christmas to all her family................. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lori, I hope Your Christmas time was marvellous, mine too. I pried for it and it happened. Christmas Eve I worked but after all we had the warmest Eve in my life. For Your Miracle of news................................ How wonderful to know it. Thank You very much to You and Your friends. My husband was very happy when I told him that You sent me messages. I showed to him that ship Pretoria. He sent message to his father in Poland, he cried was so touched. I hope we will be abble to find Wladislaw Wojtania's family here, in Usa. Do You think You can talk to Your friends about it ? Do You think, is it possible to find them? To know if they can speak polish language? I hope so. Is also ok if not at all. Please send many thanks to Your friends, They did wonderful great job, because it is about family we love, about just knowing what happend to g-g-father after he left. More for my father in law, because he would like to know what happend to his g-father here in America, how his life looked like, what he achieved here. Why he didn't come back or didn't call his wife to join him. He is looking just for explanation to more understand his decision. He still remember his g-mom face when she talked about him. He left wife and about 5 or 6 children in Poland, I do not remember exactly how it was. Lori, New Year is just round the corner so We wish all of You another happy Year and even better than this 2007. And to your friends to find our family. Take care , Jolanta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MESSAGE FOR PROFESSIONAL HELP PLEASE, Sent on December 22, 2007 Merry Christmas My Geni Friends, It is the season to be extremely busy preping for the wonderful days of Christmas, but when everyone gets back from all the hussel & bussel & glee.....................there is no rush, but I need the help of all the Profession Genealogists that are kindly giving to us their expertise. A beautiful Nurse, that took care of my husband when he had a stroke day before Thanksgiving.............but it was a mild ITA, Praises to the LORD. She & husband are from Poland and have only been here a few years, and I love her beautiful Polish accent. She was indebted to the hospital contract with her training and she was unable to be at her Mother's side when she died 6 months ago. Now she is full of saddnes and remorse that she was not there on her Mother's last journey. She says she can barely cope with Christmas and the holidays, and asks her mother to forgive her for what she did. Very sad ! But she said she & family will adhere to the Polish tradition to dress the Christmas tree and with Polish music of the holy night on Christmas Eve.. She said fondly she can still smell Christmas time in Poland, and she had started her baking with tears in her heart. Her husband has no information on his Grandfather: WLADYSLAW WOJTANIA Birthday: 1876 He left Poland in 1913 & came to New York. His wife was to follow the following year, but she decided that she didn't want to leave Poland. They heard from him for a few years and then all trace of him vanished? ? ? Wish you and all your loving families a wonderful Christmas and a New Year filled with only the Best of the Best ! DASVIDANIYA (In Polish - Good Bye until the next time) WESCOLYCH SWIAT BOAEGO NARODAEBIA I SZCZESLIWIWEGO ROKI (In Polish-Merry Christmas & Happy New Year) Lori ; ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. PS...............Probably get reamed for sending to all my lists that have helped me through the years ! ! ! **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

from gencmp, a Rootsweb list marrying computers and genealogy. I'm posting this to give you listers something to do until the holidays are over. Al Ancestry Research found in Modern Education Tools New Year's Day updates <www.academic-genealogy.com/> Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory Examples: Top Search Engines and Directories http://www.academic-genealogy.com/topsearchenginesdirectories.htm brings out the best, under Instructions for General Internet Use. We have added, The Open University's OpenLearn website: Information on the Web (T180_5) Foundation skills to use search engines confidently to locate both information and images on the Web and learn how to critically assess and reference the information you have found for study purposes. Beginning on page 13, is #3.3 Focused search sites "An alternative to using general purpose search engines is to make use of focused search engines that only index known genealogical sites. . . ." http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182768 Beginning on page 28, is an Appendix: Genealogical Resources http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182798 Schools - Colleges - Universities: Alumni and Genealogy Education http://www.academic-genealogy.com/schoolscollegesuniversities.htm now has a worldwide comprehensive resource for current open online distance education, under Online Education and Resources. Besides having a "Massive List of Free Education Online For Autodidacts", which includes tons of educational resources, such as learning languages on iTunes, there is Open Education Resources (OER) Index. This site includes: "teaching and learning materials that are freely available online for everyone to use, whether you are an instructor, student, or self-learner. Examples of OER include: full courses, course modules, syllabi, lectures, homework assignments, quizzes, lab and classroom activities, pedagogical materials, games, simulations, and many more resources contained in digital media collections from around the world." http://cwr.unitar.edu.my/file.php/1/Index.htm REPOSITORIES of interest include Fathom Archive, provided by Columbia University, which has: Jewish Studies, . . . " Hebrew manuscripts reflect regional variations in materials, culture and religious sensibility, and they consider how scribal practices and literary tastes evolved over the centuries . . ." http://www.fathom.com/special/jewish_studies/index.html . . . University of California eScholarship Repository has: Objectivity in History, . . . The purpose of this paper is to define a concept of objectivity based on criteria of comparison, . . . http://repositories.cdlib.org/postprints/1099/ . . . Wikipedia, with its related WikiEducator, developing free and open educational content for the world. . . . " a partnership that will make it possible to obtain high quality print and word processor copies of articles from Wikipedia and other wiki educational resources. . . ." http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/wndReader.asp?ArticleId=40445 Additionally, on another side (just the tip of the ice burg), is: Computer - Internet - Software: Genealogy Programs http://www.academic-genealogy.com/computerinternetsoftware.htm Support for Photography & Digital Preservation has: Picturing the family http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2688&topic=all " These photographs provide another type of record that can offer insights into our family history. But what can they tell us? How can we elicit the information they hold? And how do we analyse or evaluate that information? The purpose of this unit is to suggest how to approach the interpretation of the photographic record. . . ." Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENCMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Finally fixed my puter. I want to wish everyone on the list Merry Christmas and Happy New Year expecially you Al. Barb tipperboo12@msn.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: alenkner@stargate.net Reply-To: pa-pittsburgh@rootsweb.com To: pa-pittsburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PA-PITTSBURGH] THANK YOU FOR PROFESSIONAL HELP ! Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:50:59 -0500 Lori, That's beautiful............... and at the right time of the year. Somebody got their Christmas gift a couple of days earlier than expected. Al At 12:09 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: >That was it Al, > > >From all our most precious Geni Friends..............can you just imagine? > >Lori, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >As I interpret it, are you saying that the nurse's grandfather was >found in the less that 5 hours since you posted the plea? That's fantastic. > >Al > > > >....... > > > >**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >12/21/2007 1:17 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, that was cute!! On 12/25/07, alenkner@stargate.net <alenkner@stargate.net> wrote: > > Something light and silly. > > http://members.shaw.ca/cybernana/funpage/dominick/dominick.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Something light and silly. http://members.shaw.ca/cybernana/funpage/dominick/dominick.htm

Lori, That's beautiful............... and at the right time of the year. Somebody got their Christmas gift a couple of days earlier than expected. Al At 12:09 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: >That was it Al, > > >From all our most precious Geni Friends..............can you just imagine? > >Lori, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >As I interpret it, are you saying that the nurse's grandfather was >found in the less that 5 hours since you posted the plea? That's fantastic. > >Al > > > >....... > > > >**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >12/21/2007 1:17 PM

That was it Al, >From all our most precious Geni Friends..............can you just imagine? Lori, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I interpret it, are you saying that the nurse's grandfather was found in the less that 5 hours since you posted the plea? That's fantastic. Al ....... **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Lori, As I interpret it, are you saying that the nurse's grandfather was found in the less that 5 hours since you posted the plea? That's fantastic. Al At 08:55 PM 12/22/2007, you wrote: >YOU ARE ALL GREAT, I have had such an overwhelming gift of love from so many >of our Geni Friends, looking to give a warm Christmas to our little Polish >Nurse: Jolanta & husband & families.................. > >Gratefully I cannot express how I feel towards all of you! > >How awesome.....................one of my received Christmas cards says on >front......... > >SEARCH NO LONGER FOR THE PERFECT CHRISTMAS GIFT - - - IT HAS ALREADY BEEN >GIVEN TO US ALL, > >HIS NAME IS JESUS. > >And here in the time of great technology, comes this wonderful news for a >family so far from their homeland.....................that they found a >Grandfather, after not knowing what happened to him after 94 years >of a families love. > Imagine what this news will mean to those loved ones still in Poland ? I'm >sure we can only all just try and imagine.................... > >The year end brings no greater pleasure than the opportunity to express to >all of you in all sincerity the Season's Greetings and Good Wishes. > >MERRY CHRISTMAS, > >Lori ; ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA > > > >**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >12/21/2007 1:17 PM

YOU ARE ALL GREAT, I have had such an overwhelming gift of love from so many of our Geni Friends, looking to give a warm Christmas to our little Polish Nurse: Jolanta & husband & families.................. Gratefully I cannot express how I feel towards all of you! How awesome.....................one of my received Christmas cards says on front......... SEARCH NO LONGER FOR THE PERFECT CHRISTMAS GIFT - - - IT HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO US ALL, HIS NAME IS JESUS. And here in the time of great technology, comes this wonderful news for a family so far from their homeland.....................that they found a Grandfather, after not knowing what happened to him after 94 years of a families love. Imagine what this news will mean to those loved ones still in Poland ? I'm sure we can only all just try and imagine.................... The year end brings no greater pleasure than the opportunity to express to all of you in all sincerity the Season's Greetings and Good Wishes. MERRY CHRISTMAS, Lori ; ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Merry Christmas My Geni Friends, It is the season to be extremely busy preping for the wonderful days of Christmas, but when everyone gets back from all the hussel & bussel & glee.....................there is no rush, but I need the help of all the Profession Genealogists that are kindly giving to us their expertise. A beautiful Nurse, that took care of my husband when he had a stroke day before Thanksgiving.............but it was a mild ITA, Praises to the LORD. She & husband are from Poland and have only been here a few years, and I love her beautiful Polish accent. She was indebted to the hospital contract with her training and she was unable to be at her Mother's side when she died 6 months ago. Now she is full of saddnes and remorse that she was not there on her Mother's last journey. She says she can barely cope with Christmas and the holidays, and asks her mother to forgive her for what she did. Very sad ! But she said she & family will adhere to the Polish tradition to dress the Christmas tree and with Polish music of the holy night on Christmas Eve.. She said fondly she can still smell Christmas time in Poland, and she had started her baking with tears in her heart. Her husband has no information on his Grandfather: WLADYSLAW WOJTANIA Birthday: 1876 He left Poland in 1913 & came to New York. His wife was to follow the following year, but she decided that she didn't want to leave Poland. They heard from him for a few years and then all trace of him vanished? ? ? Wish you and all your loving families a wonderful Christmas and a New Year filled with only the Best of the Best ! DASVIDANIYA (In Polish - Good Bye until the next time) WESCOLYCH SWIAT BOAEGO NARODAEBIA I SZCZESLIWIWEGO ROKI (In Polish-Merry Christmas & Happy New Year) Lori ; ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. PS...............Probably get reamed for sending to all my lists that have helped me through the years ! ! ! **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I don't know how many of you subscribe to the Blair list but I have received many obits from this wonderful person and she will be dearly missed ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi List, My Sullivan ancestors have been a stumbling block and primary brick wall for 12 years! I am asking if any of the following two families are known to any of the listers. Johanna Sullivan, b. ~ 1859 is my paternal grandmother who died in 1936 in Pittsburgh. She would never tell her age and we know nothing about her family. Her eldest son, as informant on her death certificate, listed every question "unknown". >From the 1860 Census: Benjamin Sullivan, age 40, b. in Ireland Catharine Sullivan, age 40, b. in Ireland, wife Benjamin Sullivan, age 5, b. in PA Catharine Sullivan, age 4, b. in PA Joanah (sic) Johanna Sullivan, age 2, b. in PA This family lived in the 3rd ward of Pittsburgh in the 1860 census. According to the mortality schedules, it appears that Benjamin may have died in 1869. (A listing for a “Cherry” (sic)Sullivan, a Male died in the third ward according to the mortality schedules.) There are no birth certificates in Allegheny County for the children, when requested I was told they most likely burned in the Allegheny County Courthouse fire in the 1870s.Requests for “delayed birth certificates” was negative. Benjamin may have had a brother named Timothy as follows: 1880 Census Timothy Sullivan, age 54, b. Ireland Johanna Sullivan, age 40, b. Ireland, wife John W. Sullivan, age 21, b. ? Ella L. Sullivan, age 14, b. PA Mary B. Sullivan, age 12, , b. PA Anna T. Sullivan, age 8, b. PA Charles F. Sullivan, age 7, b. PA Lillie C. Sullivan, age 3, b. PA This family had a grocery store at 4417 Penn Avenue, in Lawrenceville. (13th ward ?) and a Benjamin Sullivan (same age as in the above family) worked in the store as a clerk in 1880.Timothy and Johanna are buried in St. Mary’s Lawrenceville cemetery. Johanna Sullivan, my grandmother, was married to a cousin and coworker of an Ella Sullivan’s husband, same age as Timothy’s daughter. An Ella Sullivan was godmother to my father, Johanna’s second born son. These facts have led me to believe that Timothy and Benjamin may have brothers and I am trying to determine their parents. Sorry this is so long… Any information on these two families would be gratefully appreciated. Joan PS. My Johanna also used nicknames as Josie or Josephine...do not know why she did this. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)