thought someone might be interested in this obit, it has the names: ORMSBY & FOSTER (Steven Foster) descendant both early settlers of Pittsburgh, gives a little history of the South Side /Birmingham area of Pittsburgh Connie Szwarc Schartner, North Braddock Pa http://www.post-gazette.com/obituaries/20011019ormsby1019p5.asp

Book: McCullough, David. John Adams, Simon & Schuster, 2001 p. 396, date: 1789 "The great majority of Americans lived and worked on farms, and fully two-thirds of the population was concentrated in a narrow band along the eastern seaboard from Maine to Spanish Florida. Nearly everything else was wilderness. The whole country, concluded one visitor, was 'a vast wood.' In Massachusetts it was thought that less than a third of the land had been cleared, and it was the same in New York and Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh, at the end of the rough-hewn wagon road over the Allegheny Mountains, was the westernmost town of any consequence in the country and had fewer than 500 souls. "Down the same road Adams traveled that spring to New York came small caravans from Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Connecticut - families with children and household belongings piled onto heavy wagons, bound for Ohio, a journey of more than 700 miles...George Washington himself, known to have great confidence in the future of the West, had landholdings on the Ohio River of more than 20,000 acres"

Hey Al, try this: http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/search.cfm Gma Barb

probably has the information you need & they are online. There is a Pennsylvania Room which specializes in W.Pa. Genealogy info. http://www.carnegielibrary.org/ 4400 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213; Phone: 412-622-3114 <A HREF="http://www.carnegielibrary.org/clp/main/dir.html">* Click here for hours and directions *</A> Gobnait Ni Leocháin Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

Hi Al: Go to http://www.ohiohistory.org/index.html Scrool down left side, click on archives. Should be there. Norm in Medina, Ohio

http:www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/advsearch.cfm

Sharon - You might try: www.rootsweb.com/~pahsc/ Gerry On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:01:08 -0600 PA-PITTSBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:

Al, I'm on my way out the door, didn't search each url, perhaps the info that you are looking for is in one of these. Good luck. Nan http://www.ohiohistory.org/ http://geneasearch.com/states/ohio.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/oh/ohfiles.htm http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/geo_survey/ http://hometown.aol.com/stathmom/myhomepage/heritage.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/obits/obitsoh.htm http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/QUERY?sessionid=01-4002-2052470725 (Start a new search from the above url) http://www.ohio.com/sitemap.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~cenfiles/oh/fairfield/1870/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/oh/g-l.htm#J http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/oh/scioto/cemeteries/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/dnap/sr/olentang.html http://www.lkwdpl.org/history/ http://members.tripod.com/harry_turner_3/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcuyaho/query026.htm#1340 Searching yesterday for tomorrow Smile, smile, smile :) Nan :)

Listers, Does anyone have the URL for deaths from the Ohio Historical Society? I believe the Society was located somewhere near Columbus and it's site was much better than the one found on RootsWeb. Al

In a message dated 10/17/01 7:53:52 PM, TipperBoo12@aol.com writes: >The url to go to for these lyrics is: >http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/aidx/aidx.P.html 404 Not Found The requested URL /~rickheit/dtrad/aidx/aidx.P.html was not found on this server. We suggest you turn to the Tao Teh Ching: 4. Using Guidance Guidance pours out but in using it, something is not filled. Whew! It's like the ancestor of the ten-thousand natural kinds. 'Dull' its 'sharp', 'untie' its 'tie', 'blend' its 'bright', 'together' its 'diffused particles'. Ooo! It's like it partly endures. I don't know whose son it is. It is before the emperor of signs! -- tr. C. Hansen

Use less aspirin, ummmmmmmm, quite banging head on wall. Welcome back to Paradise, Barb, great to have you with us again. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Sue > Hi everyone. Was on a trip for four days and boy did I miss all of you.What > would we do without Al? > Barb --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/2001

I've been pretty quiet for awhile, but now I have my second request in one evening. I'm trying to track down a tannery which was in my family in the 1800's (around 1850 I think). I found one little snippet that mentioned McKeesport. Anyone (1) have any ideas of how to find information on the tannery, McCloskey & Downing, and (2) where to look to see if there is information about this company in McKeesport? I've checked Historic Pittsburgh site, searched Google for PA tanneries, without much luck. Any help would be appreciated. Sharon in CA

Uh, Barb, what did I do now? Al At 07:11 PM 10/17/2001, you wrote: >Hi Sue >Hi everyone. Was on a trip for four days and boy did I miss all of you.What >would we do without Al? >Barb > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Is anyone going to Carnegie anytime soon? I finally found the name of my gggrandmother, Isabel McClusky(McCloskey) from the 1880 Census Index living with my ggrandparents, Walter J. and Anna McCloskey Kelly. This is the first time I have found her name. I also found a Lizzie Mc Closkey listed in Section G of St. Mary's Cemetery, wife of John McCloskey (which fits what I know), who died on April 6, 1897. There is also a John J. McCloskey in Section P, 1855-1931. If anyone is going to Carnegie, could you look up the death notice for Isabel (Lizzie) McCloskey, date of death April 6, 1897, and John J. McCloskey, who died in 1931. Thanks so much for your help. Sharon in CA

Hi Sue If that url doesn't work try: http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/lookup.cgi?=Pittsburgh Barb

Hi Sue The url to go to for these lyrics is: http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/aidx/aidx.P.html Barb

Hi Pawn shop song was sung by Guy Mitchell. Barb

Hi Sue Hi everyone. Was on a trip for four days and boy did I miss all of you.What would we do without Al? Barb

Cathy Raber > Subject: God Bless America this says it all > > > THIS SAYS IT ALL! > Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials remove "God > Bless America" signs from schools in fear that someone > might be offended. > > Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags > removed from the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons > removed from the lapels of reporters. Why? Management did > not want to appear biased and felt that our nations flag > might give the appearance that "they lean one way or another". > > Berkeley, California bans U.S. Flags from being displayed on > city fire trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone > in the community. > > In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library at > Florida Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an > American" signs removed so as to not offend international > students. > > I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so-called > American citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying > about whether or not we are offending some individual or > their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, > we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of > Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely > settled in New York and Washington D.C. when the "politically > correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that > our patriotism was offending others. > > I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against > anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In > fact, our country's population is almost entirely comprised of > descendants of immigrants; however, there are a few things that > those who have recently come to our country, and apparently > some native Americans, need to understand. > > First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try > not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a > multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our > sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have > our own culture, our own society, our own language, and our > own lifestyle. This culture, called the "American Way" has been > developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by > millions of men and women who have sought freedom. Our > forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker > Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam, > > We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, > Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to > become part of our society - learn our language! > "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some > off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan - it > is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House > of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our > currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men and > women, on Christian principles, founded this nation; and > this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is > appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our > highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate > to display it on the walls of our schools. > > God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every > patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor His > birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to > Him in prayer in times of crisis. If God offends you, then > I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new > home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud > to have Him. > > We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably > defended our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, > Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, > picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag. As > an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my national > anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever > and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or > you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a > move to another part of this planet. > > The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we > are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no > desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things > where you came from. We are Americans, like it or not, this > is our country, our land, and our lifestyle. > > Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express > his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we > will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are > done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our > pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly > encourage you take advantage of one other great American > freedom, the right to leave. > > If you agree, pass this on to other Americans! > It is time to take a stand! > > --- --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Larry, Thanks for the info. It jives with what I was able to glean from the biographies of Adolphe and the Pittsburgh city directories of that era - i.e. Adolphe was born in Pittsburgh in 1890, his father's name was Jean, the family ran a cafe on Fifth Ave and they were gone from Pittsburgh before 1900. Somewhere along the line some twig from their family tree married a distant twig on MY family tree (or so I've always heard). Sure would like to get to the bottom of that! Another claim to fame in Adolphe's Hollywood career was as a prominent player in the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s. If I'm not mistaken, he was roundly criticized in the movie industry for "naming names." Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <LTbh150@aol.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Adolphe Menjou > Ray, > According to my wife's aunt, Kathryn Kelly Schwirian, in her book, "Six > Generations of an Irish-American Family", Jean Adolphe Menjou was born in the > village of Commune D'Arbus, located between Pau and Lourdes, in France. He > did live in Pittsburgh after 1886, and managed the Duquesne Hotel here. He > married a distant cousin (Nora Joyce) of my wife's, and later owned the Cafe > Royal on Fifth Ave. > He left Pittsburgh in about 1897 and moved to Cleveland. > Larry Hunt > Pittsburgh > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > >