Something to think about After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished. After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished. After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished. After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished. After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished. Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be Alive today. AN INTERESTING QUESTION: This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question. There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why is it that the Clinton Administration spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight years than Osama bin Laden? THINK ABOUT IT!

Since 'traffic' is relatively light, I'm reposting current search subjects: McCULLOUGH, Bridget b. 1856 in PA, married in 1879 James GARAHAN. Both parents b. Ireland , names unknown. Father possibly David, Paul, Raymond. In 1900 family lived 2126 Sarah Street, Pgh. presently Ward 16. Need names of parents and/or siblings. GARAHAN, Barnard, b. Ireland 1811. Wife Mary b. Ireland 1817. First child b. 1848 in PA. Need immigration information and/or Ireland county of birth. Parents names would be frosting. COOLEY, Clayton(?) called Clate/Klate. Married Elizabeth Gertrude EDWARDS. In 1930's lived in Beechview. Carol S.

Answer: Bill Gates was easier to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <alenkner@stargate.net> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Something to think about > Something to think about > > After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured > 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible > would be hunted down and punished. > > After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. > military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would > be hunted down and punished. > > After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and > injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible > would be hunted down and punished. > > After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and > injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down > and punished. > > After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. > sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and > punished. > > Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in > New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be Alive today. > > AN INTERESTING QUESTION: > This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without > casting stones, it is a legitimate question. > There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively > cheap software and gives billions of dollars to charity. The other > sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why is it that the Clinton > Administration spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the > past eight years than Osama bin Laden? > > THINK ABOUT IT! > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238 >

Actually, that is Norm's page. And it is the one I was looking for too. Bryan. -----Original Message----- From: TipperBoo12@aol.com [mailto:TipperBoo12@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:21 PM To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Tombstone Web Page. Hi Bryan This is not Norm's website but this website has tombstones on it. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njm1/tombs.htm Barb ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Listers, Here is another really nice website dedicated to 11 September. http://allisonsheart.com/yourhand2/stairwell.html God Bless, VicciAnne

Hi Al Many many thanks to your cousin. It is beyond description. Just when I think you've topped them all you come up with another one. My country, my people, I wish I could wrap all of you in my arms and keep you safe. Time for a kleenex. Thanks again Al Barb

Al, couldn't bring up this url. Has anyone else had problems?

Hi Bryan This is not Norm's website but this website has tombstones on it. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njm1/tombs.htm Barb

Tonia and others, I receive a lot of e-mail and what I dread most are those pass-alongs and you all know what I'm talking about. Pass this to 10-20 friends and you'll have a better sex life, grow 14 feet, saved by Christ himself, find 451 new friends.......... Although some may be admirable goals, none will occur just by forwarding junk mail and that's what it is. However, this beautiful piece was so well done that I passed it on to everyone in my address book and all but one of the lists that I belong to and I'm sure that quite a few people passed it on to their friends. If I didn't like my cousin Marie, I would have included her e-mail address because I would imagine that over 1k people have seen it by now, just 24 hours after posting. I will pass along to Marie that everyone appreciates her effort. Al At 01:38 AM 10/24/2001, you wrote: >Al, Thanks for the link, this site was very well done. Everyone should >take the time to go and see. Tonia > >Listers, > >This was sent by my cousin, Marie, and is worth the time it takes to download. > >Al > > > > >This page is worth the download time. But don't go to it until you have >about 5 minutes to devote to it, > > Least we forget > In Memory > > <http://www.ozarksoft.com/cataztrophe/inmemory.htm> > > To view a picture place the curser over that picture. The picture will >stop , > and move to the foreground. > > thomasw.vcf > >_____________________________________________________ >My Home Page >http://www.geocities.com/toniablondie/index.html > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

>Just for interest, " The deed for the St. Mary's property was recorded in Court Nov. 14, 1853. It reveals that 'the said property located in Collins Township was originally owned by Richard Ewart, bought in trust by James and Brigid McCabe in 1849, and the sold to St. Mary's Roman Catholic congregation for church purposes for the sum of $600.'"< I wonder if this Brigit McCabe was part of the McCabe "dynasty" so prominent in the funeral business from the mid-1800s thru present day. Many of them lived in the vicinity of Lawrenceville, near St. Mary's, and they buried most of my ancestors of that era in St. Mary's. In fact, I'm told I myself have some distant link to that family, but I don't know what it is. Ray Boniker researching: McMAHON, FRANKHOUSE, OWENS, CAMPBELL, O'DONNELL, McCAFFREY in Pittsburgh

>Just for interest, " The deed for the St. Mary's property was recorded in > >Court Nov. 14, 1853. It reveals that 'the said property located in Collins > >Township was originally owned by Richard Ewart, bought in trust by James and > >Brigid McCabe in 1849, and the sold to St. Mary's Roman Catholic congregation > >for church purposes for the sum of $600.'" > > > >Rosanne This information is so intersting. Telling the history of an area, helps us get to the "meat" of the history & more understanding! And learning about our long departed relations. That's genealogy. When you understand where you've been, you can go forward & connect the two generations sequencially. Happy hunting, Fellow lister, Cathy Raber > >My grandparents built a house on Carlton St. in Lawrenceville in the 1920s > >and the deed says that they bought the land from St. Mary's Cemetery, so I > >would guess that the cemetery could have been that much bigger, though the > >wall is above Carlton St. and is probably older than turn of the last > >century. > > > >I checked the History of St. Mary's. The parish was founded in 1853, by > >Bishop Michael O'Connor, the first bishop of Pittsburgh. From the History > >"Ground was bought for a church adjoining St. Mary's diocesan cemetery. ... > >Somewhat in this humble fashion St. Mary's Parish had its beginning close to > >a cemetery." So the cemetery was there before 1853. > > > --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Al, Thanks for the link, this site was very well done. Everyone should take the time to go and see. Tonia Listers, This was sent by my cousin, Marie, and is worth the time it takes to download. Al This page is worth the download time. But don't go to it until you have about 5 minutes to devote to it, Least we forget In Memory <http://www.ozarksoft.com/cataztrophe/inmemory.htm> To view a picture place the curser over that picture. The picture will stop , and move to the foreground. thomasw.vcf _____________________________________________________ My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/toniablondie/index.html

Many thanks to cousin Marie. Sue* -------Original Message------- Listers, This was sent by my cousin, Marie, and is worth the time it takes to download. Al This page is worth the download time. But don't go to it until you have about 5 minutes to devote to it, Least we forget In Memory <http://www.ozarksoft.com/cataztrophe/inmemory.htm> To view a picture place the curser over that picture. The picture will stop , and move to the foreground. thomasw.vcf

Hi Listers Excellent information from Carla Heller at the Baden-Wurttemberg Mail list. Nan ````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Subj: [B-W] Helps for Pinpointing Ancestral Localities Date: 10/23/01 3:21:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: mscarlah@earthlink.net (Carla Heller) To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-L@rootsweb.com Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, For those researching German ancestors, it is often very frustrating to try to pinpoint ancestral localities, or even verify that one is searching for the *correct* place name. If you are seeking an ancestral location, you'll want to research it carefully to see whether there is (or was): 1. MORE THAN ONE LOCALITY BY THAT NAME in Germany. For example, it's important to know that there is a "Frankfurt" in the state of Hessen [Frankfurt am Main], as well as a "Frankfurt" in in the state of Brandenburg [Frankfurt an der Oder]. Identically-named localities are common in Germany---and are often in different parts of the country, such as the two Frankfurts. 2. A LOCALITY IN FORMERLY-EXISTING OR RENAMED STATES: Don't forget that some parts of what *used to* be "in Germany" before one of the World Wars are now in completely different countries (such as Poland, Czech Republic, etc.). In addition, some former German states no longer exist (such as "Prussia," once a very large German kingdom encompassing territory in both western and eastern "Germany"), or are now known by a different or modified name. For example, Baden-Wuerttemberg is a post-World War II 'combination' of the previously separate-for-centuries states of Baden, Wuerttemberg and Hohenzollern. 3. A LOCALITY WHICH HAS SINCE MERGED WITH A NEARBY PLACE: Your ancestral locality may have become part of a neighboring town in more recent times, and is more readily identified now by the other town's name (a very common situation, especially for small villages). The search results provided by GeoServe (see below) usually will note whether such a merger has occurred, with the words, "Part of [Town X]" included in the text. 4. A LOCALITY WHOSE NAME IS SPELLED VERY *SIMILARLY* TO ANOTHER LOCALITY'S NAME: This can be tricky. One of my ancestral towns is D-i-e-d-e-s-h-e-i-m, Kreis ["county"] Mosbach, Baden. Before I got more familiar with German geography, I confused "Diedesheim" with D-e-i-d-e-s-h-e-im---a completely different place, not in Baden, but in the state of Rheinland-Pfalz, and I later confused Diedesheim with D-i-e-d-e-l-s-h-e-i-m, which is in Kreis Karlsruhe, not Kreis Mosbach, Baden. These names look nearly identical, but if you read them carefully, you'll notice there are three *different* names. Also be aware that there may be archaic *spellings* for place names, such as "Wuertenberg" or "Wirtemberg" for the more modern Wuerttemberg/Württemberg. In this particular case, they refer to the same place. It is also easy to confuse the suffix "-berg" with "-burg" in German locality names, two *different* German words respectively meaning "mountain" [Berg] and "fortress" [Burg]. Note that these separate words are *not interchangeable.* If you think you're looking for a "HeidelBURG," or a "FreiBERG," for example, you may not find much information about them until you realize the correct spellings for each (Heidelberg, Freiburg). 5. A GERMAN STATE NAME WHICH IS SIMILAR OR IDENTICAL TO A GERMAN TOWN'S NAME: Many of you have experienced the confusion, for example, of the *state* of Baden with the *town* of Baden [the latter called Baden-Baden since 1931]. For basic help with that issue, you can see my Web page on the subject, "Which 'Baden' Is Which?" at http://home.earthlink.net/~mscarlah/ . 6. GERMAN-LANGUAGE PLACE NAMES WHICH ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN ENGLISH OR OTHER LANGUAGES: Did you know that the German state we call "Bavaria" in English is known as "Bayern" in German? Or that the region of "Alsace-Lorraine" in French is "Elsass-Lothringen" in German? Would you recognize the German names "Deutschland," "Schweiz," "Frankreich," and "Österreich" as Germany, Switzerland, France, and Austria? Be sure to make yourself aware of any 'foreign aliases' by which your ancestral town or country may be known. [I once tried to be very clever with this knowledge, and titled a travel class essay, "When Lunchin' in München, Please Don't Eat the Wieners" (i.e., "When Lunchin' in Munich, Please Don't Eat the Viennese.") München = Munich, the Bavarian city; Wien = Vienna, the capital of Austria---and "Wieners" are people, not hot dogs.] :-) * * * * * * * * * * * * Foreign location names can be checked fairly simply---with good online maps (such as at MapQuest or Expedia), geographical name searches using email (like GEOServe), and databases like Shtetl Seeker----the latter will even display names of places that SOUND similar to the name you've entered, and help you find a map to see the placement of the location to determine it's the one you want. You may want to visit the following Web sites for instructions and more information on basic geographic searches: Arthur Teschler's GEOServe (the Web page gives instructions----note that the SEARCHES are conducted by quick-return EMAIL, however---this search engine is limited to localities in Germany only) http://www.rootsweb.com/~deurhepf/geoserv.html JewishGEN's ShtetlSeeker Database of *European* geographic names, even for many tiny villages and hamlets (searches are performed on the Web page; *NOT* limited to German locations or Jewish 'shtetls') http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm MapQuest (to find and display a map showing your location of interest) http://www.mapquest.com Expedia Maps (to find and display a map showing your location of interest) http://maps.expedia.com Hope this helps! Wishing everyone the best research success, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List ==== BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Mailing List ==== Visit the Wuerttemberg Emigration Index Web Site: http://www.auswanderer.lad-bw.de/

Listers, This was sent by my cousin, Marie, and is worth the time it takes to download. Al This page is worth the download time. But don't go to it until you have about 5 minutes to devote to it, Least we forget In Memory <http://www.ozarksoft.com/cataztrophe/inmemory.htm> To view a picture place the curser over that picture. The picture will stop , and move to the foreground. thomasw.vcf

Looking for info on Rev George Dobbs family and Trinity M/E Church located next to an industrial building around 25th and Smallman in the Strip District of Pittsburgh. George is listed as one of the founders of this church and family history states that his wife was buried in that building around 1884. 1850 census lists George 36, Elizabeth, 36, William C 7, Johathan 4, Margaret 2, Elizabeth 17. I know that Margaret married Smith Risinger and he operated a lumber company in Pittsburgh with George called Dobbs/Risinger Lumber. Elizabeth (Lizzie) married William B Lowman. Obit states that son William was living in Monaca and John was living in New Brighton. Obit also states that at death his was living with his daughter Elizabeth at 36 Twenty-fifth Street in the city. Date of death was 1896. Not having ever lived in Pittsburgh, these references to address mean nothing to me. Any help would be appreciated. Also, do not think the church building is being used at present, if you could send me website to find owners, that would be a great help as well, although I'm not sure I'll be able to find anything with "around 25th and Lowman" and the fact that it "used to be" a Methodist church. Have written to the Methodist conference, but so far have received no info. Again, if anyone has seen something with these names or knows where I can go for more information, I would be very grateful. Thanks for your time. Janet

Roseanne, Thanks for the information. Al At 11:33 AM 10/23/2001, you wrote: >Al, > >Allegheny may be the oldest. My source was a priest at St. Mary's Parish. >My parents wanted to buy plots in the cemetery (during 1960s) and they were >unavailable. The priests said that this wouldn't have been a problem if a >bishop hadn't sold off the land for Allegheny Cemetery. He didn't think >there would be a need for that many graves. I do know that some of the land >for Allegheny was bought later (in the 1950s), I think from the Schenleys. > >My grandparents built a house on Carlton St. in Lawrenceville in the 1920s >and the deed says that they bought the land from St. Mary's Cemetery, so I >would guess that the cemetery could have been that much bigger, though the >wall is above Carlton St. and is probably older than turn of the last >century. > >I checked the History of St. Mary's. The parish was founded in 1853, by >Bishop Michael O'Connor, the first bishop of Pittsburgh. From the History >"Ground was bought for a church adjoining St. Mary's diocesan cemetery. ... >Somewhat in this humble fashion St. Mary's Parish had its beginning close to >a cemetery." So the cemetery was there before 1853. > >Just for interest, " The deed for the St. Mary's property was recorded in >Court Nov. 14, 1853. It reveals that 'the said property located in Collins >Township was originally owned by Richard Ewart, bought in trust by James and >Brigid McCabe in 1849, and the sold to St. Mary's Roman Catholic congregation >for church purposes for the sum of $600.'" > >Rosanne > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

If I remember correctly, Allegheny City was what is now the North Side of Pittsburgh. Nancy

Al, Allegheny may be the oldest. My source was a priest at St. Mary's Parish. My parents wanted to buy plots in the cemetery (during 1960s) and they were unavailable. The priests said that this wouldn't have been a problem if a bishop hadn't sold off the land for Allegheny Cemetery. He didn't think there would be a need for that many graves. I do know that some of the land for Allegheny was bought later (in the 1950s), I think from the Schenleys. My grandparents built a house on Carlton St. in Lawrenceville in the 1920s and the deed says that they bought the land from St. Mary's Cemetery, so I would guess that the cemetery could have been that much bigger, though the wall is above Carlton St. and is probably older than turn of the last century. I checked the History of St. Mary's. The parish was founded in 1853, by Bishop Michael O'Connor, the first bishop of Pittsburgh. From the History "Ground was bought for a church adjoining St. Mary's diocesan cemetery. ... Somewhat in this humble fashion St. Mary's Parish had its beginning close to a cemetery." So the cemetery was there before 1853. Just for interest, " The deed for the St. Mary's property was recorded in Court Nov. 14, 1853. It reveals that 'the said property located in Collins Township was originally owned by Richard Ewart, bought in trust by James and Brigid McCabe in 1849, and the sold to St. Mary's Roman Catholic congregation for church purposes for the sum of $600.'" Rosanne

Mary Gibbons married Michael B. Joyce of McKeesport. In her obit. it states that she has the following siblings: 1 Michael Gibbons 2 J.J. Gibbons (John J.) - chief of police of McKeesport I believe Elizabeth McCabe is his wife. They also have a James F. Gibbons living under same roof on Wylie in McKeesport 3 Mrs. John Gorman 4 Mrs. Thomas Prendergast Found the below on the cenus. I would assume that this Daniel is the son of J.J. and Elizabeth above. Daniel Bernard Gibbons Birth: 26 March 1896-- Allegheny, Mckeesport, PA Death: 22 April 1960 -- Paso Robles, San Luis Obispo, CA Spouse: Stella Tenney Parents: John J Gibbons, Elizabeth Mccabe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Stella Tenney Birth: 12 October 1887-- Allegheny, Pittsburgh, PA Death: 4 March 1966 -- Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA Spouse: Daniel Bernard Gibbons Parents: James Tenney, Margaretta E Unk M N Tenney Any information on any of these people is appreciated. Thank you, Erin Rodriguez