Yes, I saw that after sending my note <g>. Sorry, but maybe someone else will pick up on the surname.....thank you so much. Darleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Laurie" <sandylaurie@alltel.net> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] German to English > Sorry . . . I'm not looking for a surname, but the translation of a first > name. My gr grandfather was Weigand Siegmann. > > Sandy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darleen Berens" <Darleen_Berens@prodigy.net> > To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] German to English > > > > Hi Sandie; If you have Weigand's in Pittsburgh....have you and I been in > > contact with one another regarding them? My husband's G-Aunt married a > > Weigand in Pittsburgh and I think they resided at some point in the > > Sharpsburgh area. The first names of the Weigands I have are: > > Conrad b. abt 1850 > > Vincent b. Jan 1857 > > Albert b. abt 1859 > > Ambrose b. abt 1862 > > Felix b. abt 1871 > > Eleanora b. unknown > > If you would like more info on the above Weigands, get in touch with me at > > my e-mail address. > > Darleen Berens, Huntington Beach, CA > > Darleen_Berens@prodigy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sandy Laurie" <sandylaurie@alltel.net> > > To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: [PITTSBURGH] German to English > > > > > > > Does anyone know what the first name Weigand translates to in English? > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > > SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Does anyone know what the first name Weigand translates to in English? Sandy

Way to go, Cora! Another of our freedoms we sometimes take for granted. Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: AROCMAE@aol.com To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Think about it Actually we didn't say okey. The Supreme Court did out of respect for that wonderful institution we established in this country of "Freedom of Religion" which allows Jewish, Muslims Buddists and yes, even atheists to practice their religion without being forced to observed others religious practices. Let's keep our priorities straight here and not degenerate into the 17th century practice of witch hunting! Cora In a message dated 11/3/01 3:19:37 PM, alenkner@stargate.net writes: >complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, >and we said OK. > >Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.292 / Virus Database: 157 - Release Date: 10/26/01

Hi Sandie; If you have Weigand's in Pittsburgh....have you and I been in contact with one another regarding them? My husband's G-Aunt married a Weigand in Pittsburgh and I think they resided at some point in the Sharpsburgh area. The first names of the Weigands I have are: Conrad b. abt 1850 Vincent b. Jan 1857 Albert b. abt 1859 Ambrose b. abt 1862 Felix b. abt 1871 Eleanora b. unknown If you would like more info on the above Weigands, get in touch with me at my e-mail address. Darleen Berens, Huntington Beach, CA Darleen_Berens@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Laurie" <sandylaurie@alltel.net> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] German to English > Does anyone know what the first name Weigand translates to in English? > > Sandy > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

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If you can't control you own kids, then you should not complain when they completely take over, are mean to you anyone else that comes to your home. There has to be order in the house, you shouldn't listen completely to what "the experts say" , only some, work with what works for your own control! You should be BOSS, of course, making the rules! Trying things is good, perhaps what's worked for others doesn't necessarily works for you though! Stressing being part of the family is key, I think. Cooperation is key to living in peace with one another! Plus dividing the work among the kids too! But we all live learn from our mistakes too! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Lenkner To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/3/01 3:17:51 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Think about it Listers, This was passed on to me ... I just had to share it with you! It'll make you think! It isn't about the WTC attack, but another tragedy that seems small now. In light of the recent shooting in Massachusetts and California, let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body was found recently) complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible that says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said, OK. Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spocks son committed suicide) And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we said... OK, we won't spank them anymore. Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued. (There's a big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we accepted their reasoning. Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, that's a grand idea. Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, that's another great idea. Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women in them and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said we have no problem with that. And someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the internet. And we said they're entitled to their free speech. And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl in Michigan? Sincerely, Concerned Student. AND THE REPLY Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools. Sincerely, God. Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God. Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged. Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. Are you laughing? Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them. Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me. Are you thinking? Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just discard it....no one will know what you did, for sure. But, if you discard this thought process, then don't sit back and complain about what a bad shape the world is in.....I sent it to everyone on my list. ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn/twn-map_results zoom_level=6 uid=ud29jca38tpdaeka:2xgu229yza aphoto=0 SNVData=3mad3-5.fy%28w75q01_%29z1w5a7%3bah7-%3d%3aWJ%17JGOFN%16P%3dHV_94anh%3a%10F%3dw75q01_%29z1w5a7_1.lq%286,qej%7cynbgmej,fwgf-d pcat= zlgif.x=1 Or just go to www.mapquest.com then put the Pittsburgh inot the box push on zooming in then you should get a map with the aerial file folder on top of the map! Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but had a computer crash! Cathy --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

In a message dated 11/3/01 3:19:37 PM, alenkner@stargate.net writes: >complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, >and we said OK. > >Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... Actually we didn't say okey. The Supreme Court did out of respect for that wonderful institution we established in this country of "Freedom of Religion" which allows Jewish, Muslims Buddists and yes, even atheists to practice their religion without being forced to observed others religious practices. Let's keep our priorities straight here and not degenerate into the 17th century practice of witch hunting! Cora

Thanks again Al for a nother great site. Thank the people who sent it to you to. Barb

In a message dated 10/25/01 11:20:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, etsmred@nb.net writes: > One must have the > support of the country before you place people in harms way. > > That is true if you govern as a politician, i.e., decisions made by the public opinion polls. Our true leaders have always been those who knew when it was necessary to act, even if it meant ignoring public opinion polls and risk being defeated in the next election. Patrick Cummins Fairfax, VA Researching Cummins, Hamilton, Kraft, Smith, Lewallen, Stover

Amen! And thank God that leader is now in the Whitehouse! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Thecomyn@aol.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Something to think about > In a message dated 10/25/01 11:20:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, etsmred@nb.net > writes: > > > > One must have the > > support of the country before you place people in harms way. > > > > > > That is true if you govern as a politician, i.e., decisions made by the > public opinion polls. Our true leaders have always been those who knew when > it was necessary to act, even if it meant ignoring public opinion polls and > risk being defeated in the next election. > > Patrick Cummins Fairfax, VA > Researching Cummins, Hamilton, Kraft, Smith, Lewallen, Stover > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238 >

Listers, This was passed on to me ... I just had to share it with you! It'll make you think! It isn't about the WTC attack, but another tragedy that seems small now. In light of the recent shooting in Massachusetts and California, let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body was found recently) complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible that says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said, OK. Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spocks son committed suicide) And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we said... OK, we won't spank them anymore. Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued. (There's a big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we accepted their reasoning. Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, that's a grand idea. Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, that's another great idea. Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women in them and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said we have no problem with that. And someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the internet. And we said they're entitled to their free speech. And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl in Michigan? Sincerely, Concerned Student. AND THE REPLY Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools. Sincerely, God. Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God. Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged. Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. Are you laughing? Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them. Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me. Are you thinking? Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just discard it....no one will know what you did, for sure. But, if you discard this thought process, then don't sit back and complain about what a bad shape the world is in.....I sent it to everyone on my list.

Wow! Thanks Toni/Debi. I definitely will try this. B. Mellinger :) ----- Original Message ----- From: TONI LEE <toni76lee@hotmail.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] naturalization FYI > hi all > > > just thought I would share a little tool with you that I have recently found > helpful for me. > > > Philadelphia Archives" <archives@philarch.nara.gov> > > I have written to this addy for some of my family members to see if there > was a naturalization for them. Sometimes I get info back and sometimes I do > not. > > BELOW IS A RECENT REPLY THAT I RECEIVED FROM THEM ABOUT ONE OF MY REQUESTS. > The process takes about 2 weeks depending on how often you look at your > email and how soon you mail your check. I sent off for this naturalization > in Friday's mail and expect to get my papers by Wednesday > > 10/22/2001 > > Dear Debi: > > Thank you for your recent e-mail message in which you asked about our > holdings regarding naturalization. The Mid-Atlantic Region is the > repository for federal documents considered permanently valuable. Federal > agencies and U.S. Courts in the states of Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, > Virginia and West Virginia have created the records that we hold. > > The National Archives is the repository of naturalization records for the > Federal District and Circuit Courts. The indexes for the Federal Courts in > the Western District of PAA were searched for the years 1926-1990. Oliver > J. Love was found. To receive copies of the naturalization papers, provide > us with your postal mailing address. Please send a check or money order for > $10.00 made out to NATFB and mail to our address listed below. Once we > receive payment we will forward the copies. > > Sincerely, > > Gail E. Farr > Archives Specialist > The National Archives and Records Administration > Mid-Atlantic Region > 900 Market Street > Philadelphia, PA 19107-4292 > > (215) 597-3000 philadelphia.archives@nara.gov > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Listers, Linda and I helped a woman from Texas in researching and photographing her grandparents in McKeesport. She sent the following page to me and I thought it worthwhile to pass on to you. After reading the tribute to Veterans, you will find several dozen page links below that you might be interested in......... all from alighthouse.com Al http://www.alighthouse.com/veterans.htm

hi all just thought I would share a little tool with you that I have recently found helpful for me. Philadelphia Archives" <archives@philarch.nara.gov> I have written to this addy for some of my family members to see if there was a naturalization for them. Sometimes I get info back and sometimes I do not. BELOW IS A RECENT REPLY THAT I RECEIVED FROM THEM ABOUT ONE OF MY REQUESTS. The process takes about 2 weeks depending on how often you look at your email and how soon you mail your check. I sent off for this naturalization in Friday's mail and expect to get my papers by Wednesday 10/22/2001 Dear Debi: Thank you for your recent e-mail message in which you asked about our holdings regarding naturalization. The Mid-Atlantic Region is the repository for federal documents considered permanently valuable. Federal agencies and U.S. Courts in the states of Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia have created the records that we hold. The National Archives is the repository of naturalization records for the Federal District and Circuit Courts. The indexes for the Federal Courts in the Western District of PAA were searched for the years 1926-1990. Oliver J. Love was found. To receive copies of the naturalization papers, provide us with your postal mailing address. Please send a check or money order for $10.00 made out to NATFB and mail to our address listed below. Once we receive payment we will forward the copies. Sincerely, Gail E. Farr Archives Specialist The National Archives and Records Administration Mid-Atlantic Region 900 Market Street Philadelphia, PA 19107-4292 (215) 597-3000 philadelphia.archives@nara.gov _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I too, would like to know the answer to this question: " Does anyone on the list know whether people born in Scotland left port in Scotland to come to PA or did they have to go to Ireland to obtain passage to America?" (Originally asked by Marilyn Prinzing (marjenp@mindspring.com) As well as, what port were Scots likely to enter the U.S.? I have been looking for the answer to these questions for years. My grandfather came from Scotland in the 1910s, but I can't find anything out except he (Arthur McCREDIE) located in Pittsburgh. He never became a US citizen, and my grandmother (who was a US citizen) lost her citizenship when she married him (so the story goes). Any help would be appreciated. B. Mellinger

Marilyn, The people in Scotland and Ireland used the Irish Sea as we in Allegheny County use the rivers, back and forth constantly. There are numerous cases of children being born in one and siblings in the other. Mac

Thank you Barb for posting the Web Site. Does anyone on the list know whether people born in Scotland left port in Scotland to come to PA or did they have to go to Ireland to obtain passage to America? I have a James Jenkins who I know was born in Scotland in 1828 who came to PA in 1856. The PA Archives which has the WPA records show a James Jenkins arrival in 1856 as being Irish. His wife Helen/Ellen Sharp and my g,grandfather, John Jenkins, were also were born in Scotland These people settled in Allegheny Co. When my cousin tried to obtain Naturalization papers at the courthouse, she was told the usual story that there was a fire. What she really thinks is that the clerk didn't want to take the time to look them up. Perhaps someone on the list has knowledge of the logistics for such travel from Scotland to America. Marilyn: Lake Co., IL; marjenp@mindspring.com. ******************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <TipperBoo12@aol.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] naturalization : Hi Virginia : Go to: http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/regwills/cert.asp and go from : there. Tell them that you would like to have all the papers concerning her : naturalization. My mother's document had her picture on it and it just : thrilled me. This site will tell you where to write for info. Good luck : Barb :

I don't know if you're getting grief for sharing your good news with us, but since I'm the 'boss' <Sue smiling>I'm telling you that no apology is necessary. Since your son's team won the game, it probably will be posted in the paper, school yearbook, etc., that makes it history and this IS a historical list. Sue* -------Original Message------- I want to publicly apologize to the list for my posting yesterday concerning my son's soccer game. I in no way meant for it to be offensive. Since the origional went out to the entire list, I felt the apology should also.