Hi Sue I to have a very soft heart concerning war veterans. Did you read the e-mail someone sent titled What is a Veteran? Barb

Hi Everyone, Would anyone know the name of an elementary school that was a couple blocks away from Montier Street in Wilkinsburg? I'm bad on directions so I couldn't say what direction - other than "a couple blocks away". My sister went to the first couple grades there and this would have been around 1948-1950. Sorry to be so vague but I just don't remember. I don't have any street maps, etc., or I would try to look it up. Thanks for any help! Dee --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01

Al, I can't help you with the streets/school info - but how did 26 cars catch on fire? Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <alenkner@stargate.net> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Riverside > Listers, > > I discovered 2 new streets today and something else, something that I never > heard of. I had 26 cars on fire today in Battaglia's Wrecking Yard on W. > Carson St today. The street leading to the office is Musk Way and Musk Way > is one end of Riverside St, a street that doesn't appear on any map that I > have. While talking to the owner of Hunt's Stained Glass Studio, he > informed me that the street was named Riverside because there was a high > school on that location named, you guessed it, "Riverside High"! I had > never heard of it. His information was re-iterated by Butch Battaglia > whose father owns the wrecking yard. According to both gentlemen, > Riverside High School existed up to some time in the 1930s! Has anyone > ever heard of this school or have any info? > > Al > > ______________________________ --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01

Anna, Thanks for taking the time to share your story with all of us. It sure provided some food for thought. Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cotter, Anna To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] 911 donations Hi Everyone, I wanted to post my point of view on this situation although it's going to disagree with other points of views. But I STRONGLY feel that although my opinion is not popular it is important to understand. I'm going to warn you the following is long but I felt it was necessary to get a good an understanding of my point of view. I was helped by the Red Cross on February 17, 1999. (For those of you that want to confirm my story it was published on the front page of the McKeesport Daily news on February 18, 1999). I always saw organizations such as the Red Cross and noticed that they take money that has been donated for "Administrative" costs. I didn't understand why there was such a high amount taken... My house caught on fire while my husband and I were at work by a dryer that was not running at the time. The fire had 3 hours to fully engulf the house before the neighbors noticed it was burning. By the time the fire department got there, their was little they could do. Fortunately, the house was built 150 years ago and it had beams larger than most telephone polls for it's main support and the laundry room was on the top floor and therefore did not collapse. My plug for the fire department -- They did go into the burning building and RESCUE 95% of my pictures. For that, I feel all firefighters are really ANGELS on earth. Especially, in the community where I live where they are volunteers. Yet, they were risking their lives to save "objects" that were important to me. They made three trips into the house for pictures and videos that I can now say would have not survived the fire if it wasn't for their actions. Also, note there was already several firefighters being treated on the scene. Thee firefighters rushed into the house to verify that their were no children in the house as soon as they got there. They knew that I had two children under the age of three and one of the neighbors told them that they may be in there with the babysitter. They were not in the house, thank God! I also noticed that the Salvation Army was there. They were giving out coffee and other drinks to the approximately 100 people there to help. ! I! t was the Salvation Army that called the Red Cross for me. My plug for the RED CROSS. A wonderful lady came out to the scene about 1 hour after she was called arriving in the Red Cross 4 wheel drive SUV. (value of SUV approximately $25,000 -- in my opinion needed -- YES!). There we sat and discussed what I immediately needed. Diapers, Formula, clothes for my children, oh NO my child's medication. You see my child has a skin condition that requires 8 different types of medicines to keep it under control. In addition he needs special soaps and a eight step bath process requiring things that only a pharmacist would have. Most of the medicines he uses require a doctors prescriptions to be able to obtain. The Red Cross worker immediately called her office after answering only a couple of questions they told me that they would be able to get his medicines that night. NOTE: The medicines and soaps where delivered to where I was staying within 2 hours of this initial call by my local pharmacist free of charge (Thank you Rite-Aid)! . ! Was the salary of the Red Cross worker worth it - YES! Was it worth paying the cell phone charge for the phone she had to use - YES! Was it worth for her to be able to contact an office where they pay rent worth it -- YES!. She also gave me an emergency supply of stuff that we take for granted -- Toothbrushes, combs, soap, the basic things you use every day. I also got vouchers to use in the stores to buy additional things. My husband and I had no major credit cards with us. And we needed things right away. Looking back I now understand why the Red Cross has high administrative expenses. On September 12th, I wrote my check to the Red Cross for a considerable about of money. I gave it to the person that was collecting it for my office. My employer matches our funds and therefore, it is easier for these checks to be processed in a batch. When I gave my check, I knew that this was a major disaster and that the Red Cross would have considerable amount of expenses. Did I intend for my money to specifically go to the victims of 9-11? No, I intend my money to be used by the Red Cross for anything that they felt was necessary. If it went to the victims of 9-11 that was fine, but I thought that the Red Cross could best determine where the money was needed. Now I hear news reports such as Bill O'Reily's. I want to say that I normally agree with Bill and the O'Reily Factor. I frequently watch his show. But I don't agree with his stand on this issue. Actually, I feel that he is doing a huge disservice to charities. In my opinion, Bill has taken his stand versus charities to balance his attack on Jessie Jackson and the Rainbow Push organization that he has been bandwagon for awhile. I don't put organizations such as the United Way and Red Cross in the same league as Rainbow Push. I have seen both the United Way and Red Cross help countless of individuals numerous of different times. I cannot remember seeing the Rainbow Push organization doing even one single event to help others. I have been involved with charity organizations for the past 10 years helping with various fund raisers in their behalf. Not once have I seen or been invited to anything that has been done for Rainbow Push. Has anyone else ever seen an event ! sp! onsored by Rainbow Push? I feel very badly for all those families that have lost loved ones in these attacks. My heart goes out to them. Bill is only focusing on the individuals in New York. There have been many other victims that the Red Cross has been helping. I have heard reports on WDUQ (public radio) that there are some people that lived near the World Trade Center that have not been able to return to their apartments and the Red Cross is providing them temporary places to stay. There are many small businesses that cannot open because of restrictions that were placed on them (i.e. restricted area, road closures, etc.) The Red Cross is helping them with their immediate needs. There have been deaths from these attracts not far from Pittsburgh and there are more reports that Red Cross are helping the families of these people. Helping the families pay for expenses that they incurred. The two major problems that I see with the current popular views that the media, in my opinion, is trying to slam down our throats are: 1. The number of missing still decreases daily. There were a number of people that were originally thought to be missing but now it has been determined that they were not in the location of the World Trade Center. Many of the people that are missing are foreigners. It's going to take awhile to determine who was actually there and who was not. There are going to be a number of scam artist trying to get to money that they are not entitled to. I don't think any organization has the necessary personnel to handle a disaster of this type. It has never happened before. The Red Cross has a procedure in place for natural disasters and guidelines of how much to give in these types of disasters. But I doubt that they have guidelines for an act of terrorism. 2. The view that there has been $1,000,000,000 donated split 6000 ways gives each family $167,000 (Just estimating on the numbers here). These organizations are there to help everyone who needs it. Some people were directly affected by losing their primary wage earner. Others are indirectly affected because they have lost their incomes because their place of business has been affected. I can say that I want the money that I donated to go to everyone who needs it. (Not just to the families who lost a family member). Many people who have lost members of their families have personal insurance that is going to cover immediate needs such as funeral expenses, mortgage payments, income protection, etc. Some do not have this insurance and are going to need extra help. I do not agree with the blanket statement that everyone that was affected is going to receive the same amount of help. Help should be provided based on the people's needs. Some people may need $500,000 for t! he! ir families immediate needs. Others may only need $500. I think by saying every family should receive $167,000 based on total contributions is wrong. The last point I want to make is that Bill O'Reily should start his own charity organization. People can donate money to his charity and he can get it out to the victims the same day it comes it with no overhead expenses. I would like to see if he is able to accomplish this for over 50 years. If he truly believes what he is saying he should take personal responsibility and DO IT! He could spend his energy helping others instead of attacking others. Just my point of view. Thank you for letting me get this off my chest. Anna Cotter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01

Shhhhhhh, that was supposed to be a secret and you weren't to see it <VBS> Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > I saw this message - you stirrin' up trouble, again, Sue? --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Last night on the news I heard the Better Business Bureau has just published a booklet of charities and the percentages of their monies that actually go to victims or their cause. The news suggested going to the BBB website, which I haven't yet tried. However, I was shocked to hear that if a charity spends at least 50% of its money on victims or its cause, it was considered a good percentage! The man from the BBB said "operating costs" of charitable organizations is very high. I wouldn't have considered that a good percentage! I once donated to a mission for Thanksgiving meals for the homeless and they hounded me for 7 years with mailings almost every month - I'm certain they spent more on the mailings each year than I ever donated! They also sold my name to every charity in the country, I think. I'm sure it was them because they misspelled my name in such a way that I knew when all the other charities came in with that spelling. So sometimes we don't really know how our money is being used or how they are using it. I'm not saying all charities are like that. We need to be aware and cautious. I like the idea of giving of your time to help local charities - then you know what you've contributed is definitely useful. Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol S. To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Re: 9-11 donations Americans have big hearts - their first reaction on hearing news like the Sept. 11th disasters is to reach out to help in any way they can, simply out of their great generosity and aching hearts. Sometimes it's best to sit back for a moment, or day, to access the best way this can be accomplished. There are many organizations devoted to aiding those in distress, sometimes these agencies very abundance is confusing to those who want to help. That's why it's good to give it some thought and to do a little investigating before donating. Here, I don't want to promote or denegrate any particular agency. My personal decisions are based on the percentage the agency spends on management and the balance which actually goes to those in need. You can be shocked to learn some of those numbers. Carol S. ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01

Al, Tell her that they're going to be closed, even if they aren't. Marilyn was supposed to visit here last month and had to cancel plans, so she 'owes' me a visit. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Al, > Are there plans to close the tunnels? > When I was back in Pittsburgh a few years ago for the first time in about 35 years, the ride through the tunnels brought back more childhood memories than most anywhere else I went. If there are plans to close them, I need to make another trip back there before that's done! > Thanks. > Marilyn G., So. Calif. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Thanks, Bryan. Now, could you tell us how to get records from these schools. My Griffith family lived at the intersection of Reed and Kirkpatrick Streets, about a block from Minersville School. Are the records available, for what years, and how would one request a search and/or copy? What is the fee? Edward Smith "Szafranski, Bryan" wrote: > OK, a not to all, I work at the Board of Education, and when I saw the posts > regarding Minersville and Riverside Schools, I did a little checking. > > Minersville School was located at Center Ave. and Morgan St. and was closed > in September, 1942. I do not have a date as to when it opened. The > information I found showed that it was combined with Rose Elementary School. > > Rose Elementary School was located on Rose and Charles Sts. and was closed > in June of 1942. Again, I do not have a date as to when it opened. It was > combined with Minersville School. I do not know if all the students were > transferred to Minersville School, or to a different/new school. Will look > for that information, but it may not be available. > > Riverside High School was located at 1740 W. Carson St., as Al has said. It > openend in 1910, but I do not have any information as to when it closed or > where the students went. > > Bryan. > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Of course I do, have good taste that is! I have a very soft spot for war veterans, and you will find the poem on my site, the page is called, 'Things to make you think about.' Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Sue, > > When I step on toes, I step hard! I guess that I'll have to attribute it > to old age....... before you point out the obvious! > Sorry, gal. I'll check your site before I post again. I don't want you > dragging me to court. BTW, you do have good taste! > > Al > > > > At 02:46 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >Tis a shame. I've had this poem on my website for a long time. > >Sue* > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Listers; > > > > > > This was sent to me from another list. It may be a little premature but I > > > didn't want to take the chance to forget or lose it. In any event, the > > > stores have already started the Christmas season shopping and we haven't > > > celebrated Armistice Day yet, which may make it timely! > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Is that what replaced Three Rivers Stadium? Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Lenkner To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/7/01 6:20:11 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh firsts J*, I know you are young but haven't you heard of Exposition Park, located where 3 Rivers Stadium was? J* At 02:07 PM 11/7/2001, you wrote: Pittsburgh was the first city in the world to do a lot of neat things! Here are a few of the most well-known. First Heart, Liver, Kidney Transplant - December 3, 1989 The first simultaneous heart, liver and kidney transplant was done at Presbyterian-University Hospital. The First Internet Emoticon - 1980 The Smiley :-) was the first Internet emoticon, created in 1980 by Carnegie Mellon University computer scientist Scott Fahlman. First Robotics Institute - 1979 The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University was established in 1979 to conduct basic and applied research in robotics technologies relevant to industrial and societal tasks. First Mr. Yuk Sticker - 1971 Mr. Yuk was created at the Poison Center at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh after research indicated that the skull and crossbones previously used to identify poisons had little meaning to the children of today (for most children it means exciting things like pirates and adventure). Covering 27 counties and 33 percent of Pennsylvania's population, the Pittsburgh Poison Center at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh is the largest such center in the United States. First Night World Series Game - 1971 Game 4 of the 1971 World Series was the first night game in Series history. Pittsburgh tied the series in that game with a 4-3 win and went on to win the series, 4 games to 3. This was one of the last big moments in the career of well-loved Pirate, Roberto Clemente. Fourteen and a half months after the 1971 World Series, he died in a plane crash off the coast of his native Puerto Rico as he attempted to take food, clothing and medical supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. First Big Mac - 1967 Created by Jim Delligatti at his Uniontown McDonald's, the Big Mac debuted and was test marketed in three other Pittsburgh-area McDonald's restaurants in 1967. By 1968 it was a mainstay on McDonald's menus throughout the country and, eventually, the world. First Pull-Tab on Cans - 1962 The pull-tab was developed by Alcoa and was first used by Iron City Brewery in 1962. For many years, pull-tabs were only used in this area. First Retractable Dome - September 1961 Pittsburgh's Civic Arena boasts the world's first auditorium with a retractable roof. First U.S. Public Television Station - WQED - April 1, 1954 WQED, operated by the Metropolitan Pittsburgh Educational Station, was the first community-sponsored educational television station in America and was also the first to telecast classes to elementary schools (1955). First Polio Vaccine - March 26, 1953 The polio vaccine was developed by Dr. Jonas E. Salk, a 38-year-old University of Pittsburgh researcher and professor, and his staff at the University of Pittsburgh. First All-Aluminum Building - ALCOA - August 1953 The first aluminum-faced skyscraper was the Alcoa Building, a 30-story, 410 foot structure with thin stamped aluminum panels forming the exterior walls. First Zippo Lighter - 1932 George G. Blaisdell invented the Zippo lighter in 1932 in Bradford, Pennsylvania. You can even find the name of the manufacturing location, either Bradford or Niagara Falls, Canada, stamped on the bottom of every Zippo lighter. The name Zippo was chosen by Blaisdell because he liked the sound of the word "zipper" - which was patented around the same time in nearby Meadville, PA. First Bingo Game - early 1920's Hugh J. Ward first came up with the concept of bingo in Pittsburgh and began running the game at carnivals in the early 1920s, taking it nation- wide in 1924. He secured a copyright on the game and wrote a book of Bingo rules in 1933. First U.S. Commercial Radio Station - KDKA - November 2, 1920 Dr. Frank Conrad, assistant chief engineer of Westinghouse Electric, first constructed a transmitter and installed it in a garage near his home in Wilkinsburg in 1916. The station was licensed as 8XK. At 6 p.m. on Nov. 2, 1920, 8KX became KDKA Radio and began broadcasting at 100 watts from a makeshift shack atop one of the Westinghouse manufacturing buildings in East Pittsburgh. The First Gas Station - December, 1913 In 1913 the first automobile service station, built by Gulf Refining Company, opened in Pittsburgh at Baum Boulevard and St. Clair Street in East Liberty. It was designed by J. H. Giesey. The First Baseball Stadium in the U.S. - 1909 In 1909 the first baseball stadium, Forbes Field, was built in Pittsburgh, followed soon by similar stadiums in Chicago,Cleveland,Boston, and New York. Forbes Field closed in 1970 when Three Rivers Stadium opened. PNC Park is the newest replacement with opening set for 2001. First Motion Picture Theater - 1905 The first theater in the world devoted to the exhibition of motion pictures was the "Nickelodeon," opened by Harry Davis on Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh. First Banana Split - 1904 The banana split was invented by Dr. David Strickler, a pharmacist, at Strickler's Drug Store in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. 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Al, I am interested in Riverside HS also. My mother, Ame Mallasee b 5 Apr 1902 went to Thaddeus Stevens in the West End. Where would she have gone to HS? Mac

Bryan, I want to get to that 'thingie' real soon with a camera. PennDot is already underway to straighten out that mess, realigning Route 51 with the West End Bridge. They have some heavy equipment on the west side of S. Main on the banks of Saw Mill Run and the bank supporting the elevated train tracks has been denuded of trees. In a year or two, you won't recognize the area but it's about time. Actually it's probably about 40 years past time. That mess should have been straightened out when they opened the Fort Pitt Tunnels. And it definitely should be done and finished before they shut the Fort Pitt Bridge or Tunnels or they'll have a traffic jam that'll last for years!! I think the planners at PennDot couldn't plan a birthday party! I will have to give them credit for what they did at the south end of the Liberty Tunnels. It's the one thing that they can brag about........... after so many failures! Al At 03:28 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Up on Mt. W? Sweet....I'll have to stop in and see ya sometime...I'm up >that way quite often. Maybe next time I'm up at Prospect. My best friend's >girlfriend lives right behind ST. Mary of the Mount school.... > >OK, I didn't know much about the geography of the West End years ago, so I >had to consult the walking map (Al). Seems like he knows just about >everything.... > >And when I said West End Thingie, I meant the overpass to the Circle and >Bridge....geez, beat me over the head... > >B.

I have another school question. Is there a Liberty School in Pittsburgh and if so where is or was it? I have a relative that taught at this school in 1940. Marcia Norton marcianorton@home.com

Up on Mt. W? Sweet....I'll have to stop in and see ya sometime...I'm up that way quite often. Maybe next time I'm up at Prospect. My best friend's girlfriend lives right behind ST. Mary of the Mount school.... OK, I didn't know much about the geography of the West End years ago, so I had to consult the walking map (Al). Seems like he knows just about everything.... And when I said West End Thingie, I meant the overpass to the Circle and Bridge....geez, beat me over the head... B. -----Original Message----- From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:23 PM To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools Bryan, That West End "thingie" has been around for some time. I seem to recall the there had been another West End Bridge in earlier times. And we know the railroad has been around since the turn of the last century. Actually, the Little Saw Mill Run RR used to come through the West End to deliver coal to boats at the river. It is unlikely that the building would have been that long, since Totem Lumber is on the other side of Saw Mill Run, so the building would have had to span over the creek. Back around 150 years ago, there was a salt works located at this spot. Riverside High was probably just 12 rooms or so, nothing compared to the high schools extant in the city. I hope that Linda's improving. It explains why I haven't seen any of her posts for a long time. She was always a bundle of information regarding the schools of Pittsburgh. I guess that you are going to have to take up the slack, Bryan, until she returns. <VBG> My office is stationed at Shiloh and Virginia but it seems that I'm only there when I have paperwork to do! Al At 02:39 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >I know that Linda must have the record cards on microfilm, so I will try to >see what other info she has buried over in her office (she's been off for >some time, due to illness). If I find anything, I will DEFINATELY let you >know.... > >One question, tho....how long has the West End overpass thingie been up? Is >it possible it was a longer, narrow building? Possibly running from one end >of Batt's to down where Totem Lumber is/was? > >BTW, if you don't mind my asking, where are you stationed? > >Bryan. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:36 PM >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > >Bryan, > >I'm truly interested in the Riverside School. I didn't have any relatives >that went there but, just as a student of Pgh history, I find it amazing >that this school existed. I know that there were a lot of folks living >along the strip of land and South High was a good trek away in one >direction and Langley a damn good trip in the other direction. I can see a >need for a high school in that neighborhood but I would have imagined >something being built in the West End, not that there's a lot of room there >for a high school. As I said previously, it must've been a very small high >school. > >Al > > > >At 02:20 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >Possibly, man, ya never know. I will see what else I can find out... > > > >Also, on that heinz history center photo site that was listed here a few > >days ago, there's a pic of one class at Minersville school, with a little > >cardboard ID thing in front of them, I think it said 1898? Not sure. It's > >in the Miscellaneous group. > > > >Will try to find a bit more info on these schools, but not sure what I'll >be > >able to find. > > > >Bryan. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:19 PM > >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > > > > >Bryan, > > > >Thanks for the info. It proves that my sources weren't tipping the > >bottle! I find it truly amazing that Riverside High School seemed to last > >less than 30 years. It must have been a very small building as there isn't > >a helluva lot of property there. It would have to have been south of the > >railroad tracks and north of West Carson and, I presume, Riverside St. I > >guess that Tom Murphy had a relative who was mayor back in the thirties and > >the high school got in the way of some of his ideas............. > > > >Al > > > > > > > >At 09:32 AM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > > >OK, a not to all, I work at the Board of Education, and when I saw the > >posts > > >regarding Minersville and Riverside Schools, I did a little checking. > > > > > >Minersville School was located at Center Ave. and Morgan St. and was >closed > > >in September, 1942. I do not have a date as to when it opened. The > > >information I found showed that it was combined with Rose Elementary > >School. > > > > > >Rose Elementary School was located on Rose and Charles Sts. and was >closed > > >in June of 1942. Again, I do not have a date as to when it opened. It >was > > >combined with Minersville School. I do not know if all the students were > > >transferred to Minersville School, or to a different/new school. Will >look > > >for that information, but it may not be available. > > > > > >Riverside High School was located at 1740 W. Carson St., as Al has said. > >It > > >openend in 1910, but I do not have any information as to when it closed >or > > >where the students went. > > > > > >Bryan. > > > > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, > > >Palm-Gen, and Westie > > > > > >============================== > > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >How to unsubscribe. 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Sue, When I step on toes, I step hard! I guess that I'll have to attribute it to old age....... before you point out the obvious! Sorry, gal. I'll check your site before I post again. I don't want you dragging me to court. BTW, you do have good taste! Al At 02:46 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Tis a shame. I've had this poem on my website for a long time. >Sue* >----- Original Message ----- > > > Listers; > > > > This was sent to me from another list. It may be a little premature but I > > didn't want to take the chance to forget or lose it. In any event, the > > stores have already started the Christmas season shopping and we haven't > > celebrated Armistice Day yet, which may make it timely! > > > > Al > > > >--- > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Bryan, That West End "thingie" has been around for some time. I seem to recall the there had been another West End Bridge in earlier times. And we know the railroad has been around since the turn of the last century. Actually, the Little Saw Mill Run RR used to come through the West End to deliver coal to boats at the river. It is unlikely that the building would have been that long, since Totem Lumber is on the other side of Saw Mill Run, so the building would have had to span over the creek. Back around 150 years ago, there was a salt works located at this spot. Riverside High was probably just 12 rooms or so, nothing compared to the high schools extant in the city. I hope that Linda's improving. It explains why I haven't seen any of her posts for a long time. She was always a bundle of information regarding the schools of Pittsburgh. I guess that you are going to have to take up the slack, Bryan, until she returns. <VBG> My office is stationed at Shiloh and Virginia but it seems that I'm only there when I have paperwork to do! Al At 02:39 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >I know that Linda must have the record cards on microfilm, so I will try to >see what other info she has buried over in her office (she's been off for >some time, due to illness). If I find anything, I will DEFINATELY let you >know.... > >One question, tho....how long has the West End overpass thingie been up? Is >it possible it was a longer, narrow building? Possibly running from one end >of Batt's to down where Totem Lumber is/was? > >BTW, if you don't mind my asking, where are you stationed? > >Bryan. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:36 PM >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > >Bryan, > >I'm truly interested in the Riverside School. I didn't have any relatives >that went there but, just as a student of Pgh history, I find it amazing >that this school existed. I know that there were a lot of folks living >along the strip of land and South High was a good trek away in one >direction and Langley a damn good trip in the other direction. I can see a >need for a high school in that neighborhood but I would have imagined >something being built in the West End, not that there's a lot of room there >for a high school. As I said previously, it must've been a very small high >school. > >Al > > > >At 02:20 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >Possibly, man, ya never know. I will see what else I can find out... > > > >Also, on that heinz history center photo site that was listed here a few > >days ago, there's a pic of one class at Minersville school, with a little > >cardboard ID thing in front of them, I think it said 1898? Not sure. It's > >in the Miscellaneous group. > > > >Will try to find a bit more info on these schools, but not sure what I'll >be > >able to find. > > > >Bryan. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:19 PM > >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > > > > >Bryan, > > > >Thanks for the info. It proves that my sources weren't tipping the > >bottle! I find it truly amazing that Riverside High School seemed to last > >less than 30 years. It must have been a very small building as there isn't > >a helluva lot of property there. It would have to have been south of the > >railroad tracks and north of West Carson and, I presume, Riverside St. I > >guess that Tom Murphy had a relative who was mayor back in the thirties and > >the high school got in the way of some of his ideas............. > > > >Al > > > > > > > >At 09:32 AM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > > >OK, a not to all, I work at the Board of Education, and when I saw the > >posts > > >regarding Minersville and Riverside Schools, I did a little checking. > > > > > >Minersville School was located at Center Ave. and Morgan St. and was >closed > > >in September, 1942. I do not have a date as to when it opened. The > > >information I found showed that it was combined with Rose Elementary > >School. > > > > > >Rose Elementary School was located on Rose and Charles Sts. and was >closed > > >in June of 1942. Again, I do not have a date as to when it opened. It >was > > >combined with Minersville School. I do not know if all the students were > > >transferred to Minersville School, or to a different/new school. Will >look > > >for that information, but it may not be available. > > > > > >Riverside High School was located at 1740 W. Carson St., as Al has said. > >It > > >openend in 1910, but I do not have any information as to when it closed >or > > >where the students went. > > > > > >Bryan. > > > > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, > > >Palm-Gen, and Westie > > > > > >============================== > > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >How to unsubscribe. 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Tis a shame. I've had this poem on my website for a long time. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Listers; > > This was sent to me from another list. It may be a little premature but I > didn't want to take the chance to forget or lose it. In any event, the > stores have already started the Christmas season shopping and we haven't > celebrated Armistice Day yet, which may make it timely! > > Al --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

I know that Linda must have the record cards on microfilm, so I will try to see what other info she has buried over in her office (she's been off for some time, due to illness). If I find anything, I will DEFINATELY let you know.... One question, tho....how long has the West End overpass thingie been up? Is it possible it was a longer, narrow building? Possibly running from one end of Batt's to down where Totem Lumber is/was? BTW, if you don't mind my asking, where are you stationed? Bryan. -----Original Message----- From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:36 PM To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools Bryan, I'm truly interested in the Riverside School. I didn't have any relatives that went there but, just as a student of Pgh history, I find it amazing that this school existed. I know that there were a lot of folks living along the strip of land and South High was a good trek away in one direction and Langley a damn good trip in the other direction. I can see a need for a high school in that neighborhood but I would have imagined something being built in the West End, not that there's a lot of room there for a high school. As I said previously, it must've been a very small high school. Al At 02:20 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Possibly, man, ya never know. I will see what else I can find out... > >Also, on that heinz history center photo site that was listed here a few >days ago, there's a pic of one class at Minersville school, with a little >cardboard ID thing in front of them, I think it said 1898? Not sure. It's >in the Miscellaneous group. > >Will try to find a bit more info on these schools, but not sure what I'll be >able to find. > >Bryan. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:19 PM >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > >Bryan, > >Thanks for the info. It proves that my sources weren't tipping the >bottle! I find it truly amazing that Riverside High School seemed to last >less than 30 years. It must have been a very small building as there isn't >a helluva lot of property there. It would have to have been south of the >railroad tracks and north of West Carson and, I presume, Riverside St. I >guess that Tom Murphy had a relative who was mayor back in the thirties and >the high school got in the way of some of his ideas............. > >Al > > > >At 09:32 AM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >OK, a not to all, I work at the Board of Education, and when I saw the >posts > >regarding Minersville and Riverside Schools, I did a little checking. > > > >Minersville School was located at Center Ave. and Morgan St. and was closed > >in September, 1942. I do not have a date as to when it opened. The > >information I found showed that it was combined with Rose Elementary >School. > > > >Rose Elementary School was located on Rose and Charles Sts. and was closed > >in June of 1942. Again, I do not have a date as to when it opened. It was > >combined with Minersville School. I do not know if all the students were > >transferred to Minersville School, or to a different/new school. Will look > >for that information, but it may not be available. > > > >Riverside High School was located at 1740 W. Carson St., as Al has said. >It > >openend in 1910, but I do not have any information as to when it closed or > >where the students went. > > > >Bryan. > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, > >Palm-Gen, and Westie > > > >============================== > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, >Palm-Gen, and Westie > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Bryan, I'm truly interested in the Riverside School. I didn't have any relatives that went there but, just as a student of Pgh history, I find it amazing that this school existed. I know that there were a lot of folks living along the strip of land and South High was a good trek away in one direction and Langley a damn good trip in the other direction. I can see a need for a high school in that neighborhood but I would have imagined something being built in the West End, not that there's a lot of room there for a high school. As I said previously, it must've been a very small high school. Al At 02:20 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Possibly, man, ya never know. I will see what else I can find out... > >Also, on that heinz history center photo site that was listed here a few >days ago, there's a pic of one class at Minersville school, with a little >cardboard ID thing in front of them, I think it said 1898? Not sure. It's >in the Miscellaneous group. > >Will try to find a bit more info on these schools, but not sure what I'll be >able to find. > >Bryan. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:alenkner@stargate.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:19 PM >To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Minersville, Rose, and Riverside Schools > > >Bryan, > >Thanks for the info. It proves that my sources weren't tipping the >bottle! I find it truly amazing that Riverside High School seemed to last >less than 30 years. It must have been a very small building as there isn't >a helluva lot of property there. It would have to have been south of the >railroad tracks and north of West Carson and, I presume, Riverside St. I >guess that Tom Murphy had a relative who was mayor back in the thirties and >the high school got in the way of some of his ideas............. > >Al > > > >At 09:32 AM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >OK, a not to all, I work at the Board of Education, and when I saw the >posts > >regarding Minersville and Riverside Schools, I did a little checking. > > > >Minersville School was located at Center Ave. and Morgan St. and was closed > >in September, 1942. I do not have a date as to when it opened. The > >information I found showed that it was combined with Rose Elementary >School. > > > >Rose Elementary School was located on Rose and Charles Sts. and was closed > >in June of 1942. Again, I do not have a date as to when it opened. It was > >combined with Minersville School. I do not know if all the students were > >transferred to Minersville School, or to a different/new school. Will look > >for that information, but it may not be available. > > > >Riverside High School was located at 1740 W. Carson St., as Al has said. >It > >openend in 1910, but I do not have any information as to when it closed or > >where the students went. > > > >Bryan. > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, > >Palm-Gen, and Westie > > > >============================== > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, >Palm-Gen, and Westie > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Listers; This was sent to me from another list. It may be a little premature but I didn't want to take the chance to forget or lose it. In any event, the stores have already started the Christmas season shopping and we haven't celebrated Armistice Day yet, which may make it timely! Al Santa n Soldier TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HE LIVED ALL ALONE, IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF PLASTER AND STONE. I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE, AND TO SEE JUST WHO IN THIS HOME DID LIVE. I LOOKED ALL ABOUT, A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE, NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS, NOT EVEN A TREE. NO STOCKING BY MANTLE, JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND, ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES OF FAR DISTANT LANDS. WITH MEDALS AND BADGES, AWARDS OF ALL KINDS, A SOBER THOUGHT CAME THROUGH MY MIND. FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT, IT WAS DARK AND DREARY, I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER, ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY. THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING, SILENT, ALONE, CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME. THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE, THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER, NOT HOW I PICTURED A UNITED STATES SOLDIER. WAS THIS THE HERO OF WHOM I'D JUST READ? CURLED UP ON A PONCHO, THE FLOOR FOR A BED? I REALIZED THE FAMILIES THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT, OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT. SOON ROUND THE WORLD, THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY, AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY. THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS, LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE. I COULDN'T HELP WONDER HOW MANY LAY ALONE, ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME. THE VERY THOUGHT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE, I DROPPED TO MY KNEES AND STARTED TO CRY. THE SOLDIER AWAKENED AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE, "SANTA DON'T CRY, THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE; I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, I DON'T ASK FOR MORE, MY LIFE IS MY GOD, MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS." THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP, I COULDN'T CONTROL IT, I CONTINUED TO WEEP. I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS, SO SILENT AND STILL AND WE BOTH SHIVERED FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT, THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR SO WILLING TO FIGHT. THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER, WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE, WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA, IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE." ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH, AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT." This poem was written by a Marine stationed in Okinawa Japan. The following is his request. I think it is reasonable..... PLEASE. Would you do me the kind favor of sending this to as many people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due to our U.S. service men and women for our being able to celebrate these festivities. Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we owe. Make people stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who sacrificed themselves for us. Please, do your small part to plant this small seed