The only one leaving is me. I have to go to work. Al At 01:00 AM 11/11/2001, you wrote: >suits me, how about you Al, or did Linda just leave you? > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Ed, about a year ago I got my g-fathers Will from there. No problems. First wrote to inquire if they had one, received response that they did, so wrote again enclosing requested fee. To enlarge on adddress: Registry of Wills; 1st Floor City County Building; 414 Grant St.; Pgh. PA 15219-2471. Phone (420) 350-4180. You can find details and forms at webmaster.regwills@county.allegheny.pa.us Carol S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Sinker" <e.sinker@btinternet.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Directories > Al, > > Thank you for checking the telephone book, just in case. I do > appreciate that. And thank you for the address for the Register of > Wills in Pittsburgh. > > I will give them a try. If anyone on the list has had any experience > with this department and has any do or don't suggestions for me > I would very much like to know what they are. - Ed > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Can't remember who asked for these, while browsing in the business section of the 1862-1863 Directory, I came upon: GLASS MANUFACTURERS (window) among others: IHMSEN C. & Sons, 104 Second, 133 and 135 First and in the following categories (among others) LADIES FURS McCORD & Co., 131 Wood STRAW GOODS (wholesale) McCORD & Co., 131 Wood Hope this helps! Ellen Weaver

Hi Marilyn, Times have changed in them thar hills. We traded one of our timeshare weeks at Vail, CO for a week at Lakewood Resort. We did this in 1999, and had a lovely three story townhome right on the lake. Of course on that trip, I spent my time in Hagerstown, MD attempting to chase down an errant g,grandfather by the name of Delmar Whetzel who left his family in Fayette Co. and also visited the Garrett Co. Historical Society which has a wonderful museum attached. The people at the historical society were wonderful and helped me get some Wetzel obits; but, nary a trace of the elusive Delmar. Oh, yes, and lets don't forget the fun I had making my husband travel the back roads to Grafton, WV. His driving gave a new meaning to corkscrew curves. <Smile> Oglesbay brings back memories as I attended a majorette camp at the park when I was in high school. Marilyn; Lake Co. Illinois **************************** From: "marilynandmonty" <marilynandmonty@home.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour : Marilyn, : : Do they still have those old cabins at Deep Creek or have they gotten more modern with hotel-type complexes? I used to love it as a kid in the '50's (the cabins were old, then!) when we would go to Deep Creek for a weekend or take our annual vacation there. Traffic was awful, returning on a Sunday afternoon, but just reading the name brought back some really great memories! : : Marilyn G. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Marilyn Prinzing : To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com : Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:39 AM : Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour : : : Hey, Ginnie, : : I am going to be leaving for McHenry, MD on Thursday. Put the kettle on we : will pay you a call on our way. All kidding aside. The last time we : stayed at Deep Creek which is in that thin strip of MD that sits between WV : and PA, I talked my husband into driving me to Grafton, WV via the : backroads. : : Well !!!! That was quite an experience for a guy who was born in IN and : grew up in IL. I was born in Grafton, WV where my father helped to build : the Tygart Dam; but, the family came back to SW PA when I was three so : mountain driving does not bother me; but, I would have rather been the : driver for those backroads that day. My directions are no longer trusted : where WV is concerned. LOL : : Will be spending Thanksgiving with my aunt in Saltsburg, PA so will be : unsubscribing soon. : : Ya'll have a nice Thanksgiving, ya hear! : : Marilyn: Lake Co. Illinois : : : : ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== : How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. : : ============================== : Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 : Source for Family History Online. Go to: : http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 :

yep, Sue. I am an old Pittsburgher, but my sons are in Wheeling so........thats where I hang my hat when I am up north.

suits me, how about you Al, or did Linda just leave you?

OK Al. I knew we couldn't fool you. So, I guess no guided tour

Yes, I understand Pittsburgh is barely getting out of the 50's as a high we're having lows in the mid-50's. It's beautiful! I'd like to be in Ohio, where I'm from, but enjoying the weather here at the moment, but someday hope to spend some "fall season" in Ohio to see the beautiful fall colors! I miss seeing the beautiful colors! And the snow too! Though I don't envy the driving conditions. I had a few accidents, don't want that! Grin! I'm used to the drastic changes in the weather! Used to that! Or WAS! Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue M To: pigeonrock@earthlink.net Sent: 11/10/01 9:41:02 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour No, I'm from Pittsburgh, but wish I was there. My sister is in Spring Hill, FL, right now, said the weather was great. Groan......... Sue* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Raber" pigeonrock@earthlink.net To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour Where are you in Central FL? Ginnie? Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/10/01 2:06:04 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour good answer Sue, are you all coming to my house in Fl? If so, I know you will be hungry, give me a head count and dinner will be served. Ginnie ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com ). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

No problem, I'll be sending a map tomorrow. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > thanks, sue. directions to al's place, please, so I can get there by lunch tomorrow. I'm on the next plane! > > Marilyn G. in So. Calif. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Ginnie, Y'er gonna be a hillbilly! Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > ok Sue. I will be in Wheeling, WV as of 11/20 and it is a darn sight closer > than Fl. So all of you listers plan on comin on down, ya hear? Wheeling > is close to Pittsburgh so I may have to rent a hall. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Ginnie, Evidently neither you nor Mac have been there in the last 20 years. I wouldn't recommend it. Both sides of the Charles St Valley stink. And I wouldn't give you 10 cents for the garbage on the other side of Brighton Rd. Al At 07:01 PM 11/10/2001, you wrote: >Mac said I could show you where Irwin Ave is cause he and I are Allegheny >kids. Bet by now you have figured it out. Ginnie > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

ok Sue. I will be in Wheeling, WV as of 11/20 and it is a darn sight closer than Fl. So all of you listers plan on comin on down, ya hear? Wheeling is close to Pittsburgh so I may have to rent a hall.

Some of these are repeats........ > > > You know you're from western PA when... > > > > > > 1. You walk carefully when it is "slippy" outside. > > > 2. You often go down to the "crick". > > > 3. You have to "red up", before company comes over. > > > 4. You've ever gotten hurt by falling into a "jaggerbush". > > > 5. You know that Ahia is a river, a boulevard, and a state. > > > 6. You've ever "warshed" or "wershed" the laundry. > > > 7. You know where Beer Falls is. (Beaver Falls) > > > 8. Mr. Webster is wrong. You know full well that "ain't" is correct > > > English. > > > 9. You know you can't drive too fast on back roads, cause-udda-deer. > > > 10. "Gumbands".. need I say more? > > > 11. You've ever drank an "Arn" > > > 12. You've ever told someone to "quit jaggin around". > > > 13. You know that Clinton, Monaca, and Beaver, are actually names of > > >towns. > > > 14. You've called someone a 'jaggoff'. > > > 15. You hear "you guyses", or "yins" and don't think twice. > > > 16. You know the three rivers by name and can pronouce them correctly, > > >but > > > refer to them as... da Mon, da Al, and da O. > > > 17. You hate Cleveland, although you've never been there. > > > 18. You know where KerNEGgy is, and you like his museum and > 'liberries'. > > > 19. You drink "pop", eat "hoagies", pierogies, and gyros (jy-rows) > > > 20. You drink melk. > > > 21. You didn't have IHOP's or Waffle Houses. > > > 22. You know what a still mill is. > > > 23. You cheer for the Stillers. > > > 24. You know where Picksburgh is. > > > 25. You expect temps in the winter to be record breaking cold and > temps > > >in > > > the summer to be record breaking hot. > > > 26. You go Dahntahn to da-Strip District, and take your wife wtih you. > > >Be > > > sure to get a Permanee's sammich while yins guys are > der > > > hangin' out an nat. > > > 27. You can find Zillionopal on a map. > > > 28. You go 'food shoppin' at 'Jine Iggle'. > > > 29. You don't have a spring break in high school. > > > 30. You beleive that "Ize" is the abreviaton for "I was". > > > 31. You know someone from 'Sliberty, E-sliberty, or Wesliberty. > > > 32. You've played with a dekkacards.. > > > 33. You know the Pittsburgh Zoo is in 'Hilinpark' and have been there > > >for > > > school field trips. > > > 34.You say "McConnell's Mills", although you know there is only one > mill > > > there. > > > 35. You know what is meant by "The Point". > > > 36. You love Pensivanya. > > > 37. Chipped ham was always in your refrigerator when you were growing > > >up. > > > 38. If you've ever been "ascared" because that "nebby" old lady across > > >the > > > street saw you do something bad, and you know she will "tell > on > > > you". > > > 39. No matter how hard you try you can't stop speaking Pittsburghese. > > > 40. You are reading this, and will forward it to family and friends > who > > > used to live in 'da-Burg'. Sue McAlister http://homepages.about.com/tomssue/mcalisterpainterbickhartfamily/ PA-PITTSBURGH and PA-WESTMORELAND-HISTORIC list owner BALLES, ECKER, KELLAWAY, KELLOWAY, MCCALLISTER, MCALLISTER, SKELLY surname list owner. Adoption, Mystery, Horror, Stay-At-Home-Moms, Mother's Without Custody, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen and Westie community lists owner. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001

Ed, Just for the sake of it, I checked the telephone book and the Brewer's Association doesn't exist any more which isn't surprising as we have few brewers left in Western PA. At the turn of the century, there were several dozen. One lead would be to write to the: Register of Wills City-County Bldg Grant St Pittsburgh, PA USA He may not have left a will but his estate probably had to be probated, which is another phrase for "the government wants to make sure they get their money--again." It's required now, by law, but I'm not sure if that was true when Charles Andrews died. Al At 05:51 PM 11/10/2001, you wrote: >Hi Al, you wrote: > >>You didn't give any time frame, but even with that your mission will >>probably be fruitless. If she had Mrs Andrews on his death certificate, >>she probably introduced herself to others in that fashion. Unless you >>can find some society gossip write-up in a newspaper, I'm afraid that >>she'll remain a 'mystery' woman. > >Sadly, you probably are right. The time frame is 1905 to the time of >his death in 1908. The only possibilities for finding out who the woman >was are if he, in fact, married her and/or if she inherited his assets. He >probably didn't leave a will as he was only fifty when he died. There might >be some legal documents somewhere but God knows where they might >be. > >I should think that there are newspaper articles which mention gggrandad >Charles Jackson Andrews. I will just send the following obit which I got >a few years ago from the Carnegie Library: > > From the Pittsburgh Chronicle Telegraph, January 2, 1908, page 4: > > Charles J. Andrews of Church avenue, Ben Avon, aged 53 years, >secretary of the Pennsylvania and Western Pennsylvania Brewer's >Association, prominent for years in Pennsylvania politics and familiarly >known to thousands over the state as "Charlie" Andrews, died last >night at Pottsville, Pa., where he was visiting. His brother, Wesley R. >Andrews, chairman of the Pennsylvania state Republican committee, >was summoned to his bedside and was with him when he died. >"Charlie" Andrews was one of three brothers famous in Pennsylvania >politics, the other two being Wesley R. Andrews and William H., now >territorial delegate from New Mexico. He came to Pittsburgh about >two years ago from the northeastern part of the state where he was >secretary for a brewers' association. He had offices in the Maeder >Building, where the headquarters of the Western Pennsylvania >Brewers' Association is. He leaves his widow and a step-daughter. >________ >It is all very tantalizing stuff, to me anyway. The last line is the one >that keeps me wondering. - Ed >Edward Coates Sinker >Church Lea >Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX >UK > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Hi Al, you wrote: >You didn't give any time frame, but even with that your mission will >probably be fruitless. If she had Mrs Andrews on his death certificate, >she probably introduced herself to others in that fashion. Unless you can >find some society gossip write-up in a newspaper, I'm afraid that she'll >remain a 'mystery' woman. Sadly, you probably are right. The time frame is 1905 to the time of his death in 1908. The only possibilities for finding out who the woman was are if he, in fact, married her and/or if she inherited his assets. He probably didn't leave a will as he was only fifty when he died. There might be some legal documents somewhere but God knows where they might be. I should think that there are newspaper articles which mention gggrandad Charles Jackson Andrews. I will just send the following obit which I got a few years ago from the Carnegie Library: From the Pittsburgh Chronicle Telegraph, January 2, 1908, page 4: Charles J. Andrews of Church avenue, Ben Avon, aged 53 years, secretary of the Pennsylvania and Western Pennsylvania Brewer's Association, prominent for years in Pennsylvania politics and familiarly known to thousands over the state as "Charlie" Andrews, died last night at Pottsville, Pa., where he was visiting. His brother, Wesley R. Andrews, chairman of the Pennsylvania state Republican committee, was summoned to his bedside and was with him when he died. "Charlie" Andrews was one of three brothers famous in Pennsylvania politics, the other two being Wesley R. Andrews and William H., now territorial delegate from New Mexico. He came to Pittsburgh about two years ago from the northeastern part of the state where he was secretary for a brewers' association. He had offices in the Maeder Building, where the headquarters of the Western Pennsylvania Brewers' Association is. He leaves his widow and a step-daughter. ________ It is all very tantalizing stuff, to me anyway. The last line is the one that keeps me wondering. - Ed Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX UK

Okay, Al, THANKS, I never had heard of it. Then what replaced Three Rivers Stadium? I know something else is in it's place already, but didn't know the name of it. Thanks for informing me about it. Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Lenkner To: pigeonrock@earthlink.net Sent: 11/8/01 11:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh firsts Cathy, Exposition Park was built sometime around 1890 and pre-dates Forbes Field AND 3 Rivers Stadium. Al At 06:18 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: Is that what replaced Three Rivers Stadium? Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Lenkner To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/7/01 6:20:11 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh firsts J*, I know you are young but haven't you heard of Exposition Park, located where 3 Rivers Stadium was? J* At 02:07 PM 11/7/2001, you wrote: Pittsburgh was the first city in the world to do a lot of neat things! Here are a few of the most well-known. First Heart, Liver, Kidney Transplant - December 3, 1989 The first simultaneous heart, liver and kidney transplant was done at Presbyterian-University Hospital. The First Internet Emoticon - 1980 The Smiley :-) was the first Internet emoticon, created in 1980 by Carnegie Mellon University computer scientist Scott Fahlman. First Robotics Institute - 1979 The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University was established in 1979 to conduct basic and applied research in robotics technologies relevant to industrial and societal tasks. First Mr. Yuk Sticker - 1971 Mr. Yuk was created at the Poison Center at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh after research indicated that the skull and crossbones previously used to identify poisons had little meaning to the children of today (for most children it means exciting things like pirates and adventure). Covering 27 counties and 33 percent of Pennsylvania's population, the Pittsburgh Poison Center at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh is the largest such center in the United States. First Night World Series Game - 1971 Game 4 of the 1971 World Series was the first night game in Series history. Pittsburgh tied the series in that game with a 4-3 win and went on to win the series, 4 games to 3. This was one of the last big moments in the career of well-loved Pirate, Roberto Clemente. Fourteen and a half months after the 1971 World Series, he died in a plane crash off the coast of his native Puerto Rico as he attempted to take food, clothing and medical supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. First Big Mac - 1967 Created by Jim Delligatti at his Uniontown McDonald's, the Big Mac debuted and was test marketed in three other Pittsburgh-area McDonald's restaurants in 1967. By 1968 it was a mainstay on McDonald's menus throughout the country and, eventually, the world. First Pull-Tab on Cans - 1962 The pull-tab was developed by Alcoa and was first used by Iron City Brewery in 1962. For many years, pull-tabs were only used in this area. First Retractable Dome - September 1961 Pittsburgh's Civic Arena boasts the world's first auditorium with a retractable roof. First U.S. Public Television Station - WQED - April 1, 1954 WQED, operated by the Metropolitan Pittsburgh Educational Station, was the first community-sponsored educational television station in America and was also the first to telecast classes to elementary schools (1955). First Polio Vaccine - March 26, 1953 The polio vaccine was developed by Dr. Jonas E. Salk, a 38-year-old University of Pittsburgh researcher and professor, and his staff at the University of Pittsburgh. First All-Aluminum Building - ALCOA - August 1953 The first aluminum-faced skyscraper was the Alcoa Building, a 30-story, 410 foot structure with thin stamped aluminum panels forming the exterior walls. First Zippo Lighter - 1932 George G. Blaisdell invented the Zippo lighter in 1932 in Bradford, Pennsylvania. You can even find the name of the manufacturing location, either Bradford or Niagara Falls, Canada, stamped on the bottom of every Zippo lighter. The name Zippo was chosen by Blaisdell because he liked the sound of the word "zipper" - which was patented around the same time in nearby Meadville, PA. First Bingo Game - early 1920's Hugh J. Ward first came up with the concept of bingo in Pittsburgh and began running the game at carnivals in the early 1920s, taking it nation- wide in 1924. He secured a copyright on the game and wrote a book of Bingo rules in 1933. First U.S. Commercial Radio Station - KDKA - November 2, 1920 Dr. Frank Conrad, assistant chief engineer of Westinghouse Electric, first constructed a transmitter and installed it in a garage near his home in Wilkinsburg in 1916. The station was licensed as 8XK. At 6 p.m. on Nov. 2, 1920, 8KX became KDKA Radio and began broadcasting at 100 watts from a makeshift shack atop one of the Westinghouse manufacturing buildings in East Pittsburgh. The First Gas Station - December, 1913 In 1913 the first automobile service station, built by Gulf Refining Company, opened in Pittsburgh at Baum Boulevard and St. Clair Street in East Liberty. It was designed by J. H. Giesey. The First Baseball Stadium in the U.S. - 1909 In 1909 the first baseball stadium, Forbes Field, was built in Pittsburgh, followed soon by similar stadiums in Chicago,Cleveland,Boston, and New York. Forbes Field closed in 1970 when Three Rivers Stadium opened. PNC Park is the newest replacement with opening set for 2001. First Motion Picture Theater - 1905 The first theater in the world devoted to the exhibition of motion pictures was the "Nickelodeon," opened by Harry Davis on Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh. First Banana Split - 1904 The banana split was invented by Dr. David Strickler, a pharmacist, at Strickler's Drug Store in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. The First World Series - 1903 The Boston Pilgrims defeated the Pittsburgh Pirates five games to three in baseball's first modern World Series in 1903. The Pirates lost the final game 4-3, before a crowd of 7,455 in Boston. Four of the series' games were played in Pittsburgh. First Ferris Wheel - 1892/1893 The first Ferris Wheel, invented by Pittsburgh native and civil engineer, George Washington Gale Ferris (1859-1896) was in operation at the World's Fair (Columbian Exposition) in Chicago. It was over 264 feet high and was capable of carrying more than 2,000 passengers at a time. Long-Distance Electricity - 1885 Westinghouse Electric developed alternating current, allowing long-distance transmission of electricity for the first time. First Air Brake - 1869 The first practical air brake for railroads was invented by George Westinghouse in the 1860s and patented in 1869. In the same year he organized the Westinghouse Air Brake Company. With additional automatic features incorporated into its design, the air brake became widely accepted, and the Railroad Safety Appliance Act of 1893 made air brakes compulsory on all American trains. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com ). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. 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Where are you in Central FL? Ginnie? Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/10/01 2:06:04 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] guided tour good answer Sue, are you all coming to my house in Fl? If so, I know you will be hungry, give me a head count and dinner will be served. Ginnie ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

WEll, I know my husband used to donate to the United Way until they started to support gays in the Boy Scouts. Used to donate thorugh his work. As he said, I can't see sending my boy with a gay man, no way. I wouldn't for sure. Too many temptations are there! I definitely agree. Cathy Raber ----- Original Message ----- From: darylat To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 11/10/01 9:55:04 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] 911 donations Here is a link to Give.Org: Give But Wisely. I do not know how accurate this is but if you want you can check it out http://www.give.org/reports/index.asp It is about time that these charities become accountable for monies donated to them. Forget the Red Cross and United Way. They have always operated this way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Laurie" sandylaurie@alltel.net To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] 911 donations Any of us who had fathers serving during WW II will strongly agree with what you've said, Roseanne. Mine often spoke of how kind the Salvation Army was . . . always there when needed. While they were passing out coffee, donuts, etc., the Red Cross was selling theirs. I often wondered why this was so. A current Red Cross official was asked that question . . . his answer: the local shopkeepers in whatever country were losing business and they(Red Cross)thought that unfair. What bull! Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Roebuck513@aol.com To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] 911 donations In a message dated 11/09/2001 12:11:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Anna.Cotter@ca.com writes: ! I also noticed that the Salvation Army was there. They were giving out coffee and other drinks to the approximately 100 people there to help. It was the Salvation Army that called the Red Cross for me. . But unfortunately it's going to take time and the families just can't sit back and "wait" to be contacted. Since it is close to Veterans Day, I would like to make a plug for the Salvation Army. They don't wait for the family to contact them, they go where they are needed. My father was a W.W.II veteran. He was a very frugal man, cheap. But he gave to the Salvation Army, because they were there at every battle and any where the soldiers needed them. He 3 1/2 years in Europe he never saw the Red Cross. The Red Cross didn't hand out coffee and doughnuts to the troops, the Salvation Army did. I took the two above quotes from the 911 letters of today. I'm glad the lady got help from the Red Cross, but they wouldn't have come if the Salvation Army didn't call them. The Red Cross is waiting to be contacted. People in trouble don't always know who to contact. I sent my money to the Salvation Army, and will continue to put money in the kettles and back it up with a check. They contact the needy. Rosanne ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702 sourceid=1237 --- Cathy Raber --- pigeonrock@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I can speak with some experience having been the Director of a charitable organization. There are many fine 501(c) tax-free charities out there, but unfortunately their fundraising is a professional business these days. The firms who actually handle it for most charities (mailings, telemarketing, TV and radio advertising), are well paid for their efforts with contracts usually calling for commissions of at least 25% off the top. The political 501(c) fundraisers are the same. Any contributions made to the big consolidators like the United Way, get hit twice before anything gets to the end goal. The United Way takes their overhead cut of about 22%, then passes funds on to the various listed charities who also legally take their "overhead percentage" of from 10% to as high as 90%, out of the monies received. It didn't cost them to raise it, so thetas their main incentive for joining the United Way. It lets them raise more "administrative/overhead" funds with less expense. I believe in making charitable contributions, but only to an organization that can certify to me and the IRS that at least 80% of the total funds raised go exclusively to the advertised recipient. All 501(c)'s are required by law to provide those figures in writing to any donor if asked, and you would be disgusted at the actual figures for some very well known organizations. Past church scandals and Rainbow-Push come to mind. That's also why a few celebrities are now embarrassed and having to back away from sponsorship of their recent 9-11 telethon. So any contributor who doesn't make their contributions directly to only a specific 501(c) charity, or who doesn't require a written statement in advance of the 501(c)'s "overhead/operating/administrative percentage" first, should not be surprised to learn when only a minor portion of their contribution ends up where they want it to versus overhead or drawing interest in the bank. Sad but true, as more people are learning today. Patrick Cummins Fairfax, VA Researching Cummins, Hamilton, Kraft, Smith, Lewallen, Stover

Ginnie, If everyone comes, there will be almost 400 of us. See you then, hehe. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > good answer Sue, are you all coming to my house in Fl? If so, I know you > will be hungry, give me a head count and dinner will be served. Ginnie --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001