On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:24:02 -0500 "Sue M" <starshine166@attbi.com> writes: > I would think that it would have to have been by rail, or the good old > fashioned horse and buggy. > Sue* Actually it wasn't so much horse and buggy as horse and Conestoga wagon. The wagon was developed in eastern PA with a special design not to spill its contents going up or down the steep mountain slopes of the Alleghenies. Our settler ancestors were very enterprising people and developed many things like the wagon to facilitate their travel. -- Elissa ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

The Forbes Road follows what is now Rt. 40 (and roughly the PA turnpike) from the eastern settlements of PA at Philadelphia to the west just south of Pittsburgh and into Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was a common destination for those going further west as they would get on a river boat there and have access to Ohio, Kentucky, etc. all the way to New Orleans. For more information see "Indian Trails to Super Highways" by William H. Shank and "Map Guide to American Migration Routes, 1735-1815" by William Dollarhide. Besides road and rail (RRs didn't come into play until the 1850's) there was also canals. These were in existence in the east and west of the Allegheny mountains, but not through the mountains. The portage railroad would haul settlers, goods, and boats over the mountains. This had a short life time due to the slowness of canal travel vs. railroads which were improving and spreading all the time. For more information see "The Amazing Pennsylvania Canals" by William H. Shank. Hope that is helpful. -- Elissa On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:24:02 -0500 "Sue M" <starshine166@attbi.com> writes: > Carol, > I would think that it would have to have been by rail, or the good > old > fashioned horse and buggy. > Sue* > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode > of > travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1800's? > Would it be > by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to > transport? > Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available? > > > > Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol S. > > > > --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > SUE* MCALISTER-Pittsburgh List Mom > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

This is a correction to an earlier post. Am looking for a Charles Muldoon born 1875 from Elm Grove WV who married a Pearl/Georgia Rine. Family was in Pittsburgh by 1934 and had four children: Alfred D, Robert M, Sara, Charles D. Sara Muldoon married Charles Grupen and had children Richard and Dorothy. Dorothy Grupen married a Thomas Henson and had children Sara, Michael, Jonathon. Any information about these families would be appreciated. Many Thanks, Janet Currie

Carol, Would it be possible to post it to the list? Thanks! Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue M" <starshine166@attbi.com> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Travel mode 1850-1870 > Yes. > Sue* > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Sandy Key in Beaver sent an excerpt from a newspaper which was very > > informative. Would you like a copy? Carol > > > > --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 > > ______________________________

Paula, Where did you and your parents live? Your last name sounds very familiar to me - I was young when we left the area in 1961. I know my parents frequented some of the clubs around there (they used to take me in when I was small) and I'm quite certain I recognized one of the places when we were back there a few years ago. But I couldn't tell you what place it was or where it was, except it was on Rte. 51, south of the city. Both of my parents are gone, so I can't ask. Thanks! Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Murphy To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Nightclubs circa 1940-1950's I recently came across a bunch of souvenir photos of my parents taken at nightclubs in Pittsburgh. I am wondering if any of them still exist or if anyone can tell me anything about them. They are: Lenny Litman's Copa Pittsburgh at 818 Liberty Avenue The New Hollywood Show Bar at 122 Sixth Street Johnny Brown's New Club Cafe - for reservations phone Hiland 4962 By the way, if any of you frequented these places, my parents were Rita and Paul Dudick. Thanks! Paula ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/01

Yes. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Sandy Key in Beaver sent an excerpt from a newspaper which was very > informative. Would you like a copy? Carol --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001

Subject: [Pittsburgh] Famous Food What food is your city or town known for? Where's the best place to get it? Send us the answers to these two questions and we'll publish it in the January Issue of The New Colonist! Please include your name and city. Send to editor@newcolonist.com by Dec. 30. Look for our look at urban food appearing January 1 at http://www.newcolonist.com Sue* --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001

I've recently found that I am connected to two (new to me) families in Pittsburgh. They are Martin SATLER, who had a son named George, and George Jacob EYRICH, who had sons named George and Jacob. Both families immigrated from Germany in the 1840s, both settled in the old Bayardstown area (now the Strip District). Most of them are buried in Smithfield Cemetery, Homewood. Anything sound familiar to anyone? Ray Boniker IRAY@msn.com

Carol, I would think that it would have to have been by rail, or the good old fashioned horse and buggy. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode of travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1800's? Would it be by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to transport? Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available? > > Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol S. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001

In a message dated 12/28/01 2:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, starshine166@attbi.com writes: > When I entered your new address http://pages.zdnet.com/tomssue into my > address book I'm told it's not a valid address. > Carol, I think you misunderstood! The address above is a web page address not an email address. You must cut and paste the web page address to your browser. Betsy

Carol, Try it again, it worked for me from the link in your email. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol S." <aceso225@flash.net> To: <PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] ATTENTION Sue - new address > Sue, > > When I entered your new address http://pages.zdnet.com/tomssue into my address book I'm told it's not a valid address. > > Help ?? Carol S. > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > Check out these COMMUNITY LISTS: MyStErY, Horror, SAHM, M-W-C, Nost-TV, Palm-Gen, and Westie > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001

Sandy Key in Beaver sent an excerpt from a newspaper which was very informative. Would you like a copy? Carol > Carol, > I would think that it would have to have been by rail, or the good old > fashioned horse and buggy. > Sue* > > > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode of > travel, > Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List >

Hi Sue - I misplaced your new email address ? Sorry to send this to the list but I didn't know how else to contact you. Dee

Sue, When I entered your new address http://pages.zdnet.com/tomssue into my address book I'm told it's not a valid address. Help ?? Carol S.

Thanks to everyone who helped with the ED# where Linhart would be found. There are so many experienced researchers on this list and everyone so helpful. Phyllis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

I am looking for any connections to John Beech. He is the 2nd husband of my g-g-aunt Sarah Agnes McKeown who was born on August 29, 1873 and she was alive at least until 1943. Her first husband was John P. Mellody who died in 1917. I recently came across a small picture that has the caption on the back "John, Elaine and Doris Beech in front of large haystack". Elaine is of a size that you can't tell if she is a short grown woman or a teenager. Doris looks to be about 5 or so. If anyone knows anything about this family, please let me know. Happy Holidays! Paula

I recently came across a bunch of souvenir photos of my parents taken at nightclubs in Pittsburgh. I am wondering if any of them still exist or if anyone can tell me anything about them. They are: Lenny Litman's Copa Pittsburgh at 818 Liberty Avenue The New Hollywood Show Bar at 122 Sixth Street Johnny Brown's New Club Cafe - for reservations phone Hiland 4962 By the way, if any of you frequented these places, my parents were Rita and Paul Dudick. Thanks! Paula

Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode of travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1800's? Would it be by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to transport? Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available? Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol S. aceso225@flash.net

Linhart would probably be in with Turtle Creek Pa PA-PITTSBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > PA-PITTSBURGH-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 423 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA [Phyllis Frameli <phyl8@yahoo.com>] > #2 Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA [espowell@juno.com] > #3 Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA [Phyllis Frameli <phyl8@yahoo.com>] > #4 Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA [espowell@juno.com] > #5 [PITTSBURGH] Unsubscribe ["Janet Nunn" <JanetNunn@email.msn.] > > Administrivia: > SUE MCALISTER, LIST OWNER > To unsubscribe from PA-PITTSBURGH-D, send a message to > > PA-PITTSBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the PA-PITTSBURGH-D list administrator, send mail to > PA-PITTSBURGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) > From: Phyllis Frameli <phyl8@yahoo.com> > To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Can someone help please? After much searching I am not > able to determine where to look ( which ED#) for > Linhart in the 1910 and 1920 census images. > Thanks > > ===== > Phyllis Frameli > POINTer #4554 > ICC #427 > > layne@mississippi.net > Researching- FRAGOMELI, DiBROGGINI, PETROLO, and associated families; MANCUZZO, JANSANTE, CAMPESI, BRIOLI, TASSONE, FRAMELI, CHIARA, RULLO, ALLRED, HOLDER, HOGUE/HOGE, BOBO, JOHNSON, GRIFFITH, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:29:35 -0500 > From: espowell@juno.com > To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Phyllis, > The 1910 and 1920 index is known as the SOUNDEX. The surname codes up to > a letter and 3 numbers and they use that to help you find your ancestor > in the actual census pages. So once your surname is coded (see > http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/coding.html ) then you would look in the > appropriate year soundex microfilm for your head of household. (Only head > of households were indexed, along with anyone whose surname was different > than the head of household.) The soundex microfilm will then give you the > ED and page number that you would use in the census to see the entire > household's information. > > Hope that helps. > > Where are your Italians from? > > -- Elissa > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) Phyllis Frameli > <phyl8@yahoo.com> writes: > > Can someone help please? After much searching I am not able to > determine where to look > > (which ED#) for Linhart in the 1910 and 1920 census images. > > Thanks > > > > ===== > > Phyllis Frameli > > POINTer #4554 > > ICC #427 > > > > layne@mississippi.net > > Researching- FRAGOMELI, DiBROGGINI, PETROLO, and associated > > families; MANCUZZO, JANSANTE, CAMPESI, BRIOLI, TASSONE, FRAMELI, > > CHIARA, RULLO, ALLRED, HOLDER, HOGUE/HOGE, BOBO, JOHNSON, GRIFFITH, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe. Send a message > > to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, > > 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:50:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Phyllis Frameli <phyl8@yahoo.com> > To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Elissa, > > I am a little confused, where do I enter the surname > soundex code to find the ED? I didn't see any > instructions on NARA page. > Thanks > Phyllis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Linhart, PA > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:03:16 -0500 > From: espowell@juno.com > To: PA-PITTSBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > > The NARA page tells you how to code up the soundex. You will need to get > the soundex microfilm for that soundex code for the state in which your > people lived. Once you have the soundex microfilm, you will go down > through the photos of the soundex cards until you find your people. On > their card is the ED and page number which will direct you to the actual > census entry. > > You then roll up the soundex microfilm and go to the State, County, and > ED in the actual census which was on the soundex card. Your family should > be there with all their neighbors, etc. Look around the neighborhood, as > other family members might be near by. > > To read some of this for yourself, you may want to see > http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/genindex.html#guides which tells you how to > use the NARA guides to find the microfilms numbers that you will need. > Whether your library has the films or you have to order them in, or go to > the LDS family history center to order them, you will still need to know > exactly which film it is you need. > > -- Elissa > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:50:08 -0800 (PST) Phyllis Frameli > <phyl8@yahoo.com> writes: > > Elissa, > > > > I am a little confused, where do I enter the surname > > soundex code to find the ED? I didn't see any > > instructions on NARA page. > > Thanks > > Phyllis > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe. Send a message > > to:PITTSBURGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com that contains ONLY the word, > > 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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