Al Read your letter to the Post. I agree wholeheartedly with you. George doesn't though. Its only standard knowledge that if you have a fire house within two miles of your home, they will get there faster than if they were 4 miles from your home. Al wrote a column about the Pittsburgh Firemen, who our wonderful Mayor and city council want to decrease again. Both of them spent more money than we had and got us in debt. We got more taxes galore. Barb

The Pennsylvania Dutch are, in fact, German and Swiss. The Dutch part came about as a misunderstanding of the word Deutsch, which is German for, well, German. The Pennsylvania Dutch settled in the colony in the early 1700s. They came mainly from the Palatine region of Germany, along the Rhine. William Penn was actively seeking colonists for his "holy experiment" and found ready takers in this region. Many of those who came were followers of Jacob Menno and became known as Mennonites.

This is a site that has some Pa Dutch in it http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/PA/Delaware/

Have you tried the census at Gen.Com or Ancetry.com.? M. Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mellinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] "Lost Relative" Alexander Finney > > I know you posted to the Pittsburgh site. But since your request was > does anyone know . . . and people move from county to county, I thought > I'd check the York County Heritage Trust historical society library. > > No Records appear for any of these names: > Alexander Finney > Julia Ann Schlagel > Levi Heinrick Finney > > Cross York County, PA off your list to check. > > B. Mellinger > > > Bea Parker wrote: > > >Searching for "Lost Relative" Alexander FINNEY and his family. > > > >He must really be "LOST" I posted this message on the Butler List too. > >No help has come in. Is there any one out there who knows of this family? Or their descendants > > > >Alexander FINNEY b: Unknown d: bef 1870. > >m: Julia Ann SCHLAGEL abt. 1843 b:1820 Butler County, PA > >one child: > >Levi Heinrick FINNEY b: 1844 > > > >Any info on Alexander would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Bea in West Sunbury, PA > > > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > >If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > >[email protected] > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I know you posted to the Pittsburgh site. But since your request was does anyone know . . . and people move from county to county, I thought I'd check the York County Heritage Trust historical society library. No Records appear for any of these names: Alexander Finney Julia Ann Schlagel Levi Heinrick Finney Cross York County, PA off your list to check. B. Mellinger Bea Parker wrote: >Searching for "Lost Relative" Alexander FINNEY and his family. > >He must really be "LOST" I posted this message on the Butler List too. >No help has come in. Is there any one out there who knows of this family? Or their descendants > >Alexander FINNEY b: Unknown d: bef 1870. >m: Julia Ann SCHLAGEL abt. 1843 b:1820 Butler County, PA >one child: >Levi Heinrick FINNEY b: 1844 > >Any info on Alexander would be greatly appreciated. > >Bea in West Sunbury, PA > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

There is a difference between the Amish and the Pennsylvania Dutch -- and even after I share with you, others will disagree with me. But here goes . . . I live in York County, PA which borders Lancaster County, PA on the west (the Susquehanna River divides the 2 counties). Lancaster County is in south-central PA. At one time it was part of Mongtomery County, PA. As settlers moved west, more and more counties were created out of the original counties where Philadelphia and other cities began in PA.. The Amish are different from the Pennsylvania Dutch. Since William Penn opened Penns Woods for settlement by _anyone,_ there has always been a mix of traditions/peoples. The Amish are just one group of people who settled here. They have tried to remain separate from the rest of us "English" and that is why they can still be picked out from the rest of us. Their clothing, schooling, work, and religious practices are unique to them. They do not attend public school. They do not have churches - worship in private homes. Their activities are dictated by the farm calendar and what the church bishops permit. Weddings are held in the late fall. Courtships are brief. Clothing is plain with no adornment (no buttons, no designs - all material used is plain). They do purchase some things in modern stores (Wal-Mart), such as diapers, cereal. There were large groups of people from Germany, Palatine, Scotland, Ireland, who settled in Pennsylvania. The Scots, Irish, and English shared a langauge so they "melted" together quicker and more easily. The Germans and Amish spoke German, and we "English" over the years, have combined them in our thinking as both groups as Pennsylvania Dutch. They may have come from the same general geographic area and used the same native tongue, but they have remained separate over the centuries. They shared a language but even now the Amish have their own "Dutch" they speak, changed and localized over the centuries. Want to know more? Bekah Mellnger Wrightsville, PA Thomas E. Lassek wrote: >" . . . . . I am not sure of our origination , but believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in the 1800s.. >Jane" > >- - - - - - - - - - > >Well, diligence in research will eventually get to your roots. Maddening at times isn't it ?? Interesting caption concerning Lancaster County Pennsylvania. I remember driving through there in my younger years and ending up in a plowed field one night when I swerved off the highway to avoid a buggy and horse. The Amish gentleman had absolutely no compassion for me at all when I told him what he could do with his horse and buggy. > >I know little about their heritage, however, it was my impression that their ethnicity centered around the Dutch, or those from Holland, as opposed to German. I may have to be corrected here. I thought the "Pennsylvania Dutch" were actually from Holland. Can anyone else shed light on this ?? > >Tom Lassek >Eufaula Alabama > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

FUNK and WAGNALLS DICTIONARY 1977 "Descendents of immigrants from SW Germany and from Switzerland, who settled in Pennsylvania in the 17th and 18th centures. The language spoken by these people a High German dialect with an ad-mixture of English." I remember learning that in PA school many years ago. Carol S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan McFeatters" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Re: Ann and Thomas...RE surnames...... > The Pennsylvania Dutch are, in fact, German and Swiss. The Dutch part > came about as a misunderstanding of the word Deutsch, which is German > for, well, German. > > The Pennsylvania Dutch settled in the colony in the early 1700s. They > came mainly from the Palatine region of Germany, along the Rhine. > William Penn was actively seeking colonists for his "holy experiment" > and found ready takers in this region. Many of those who came were > followers of Jacob Menno and became known as Mennonites. > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

--=======724124D2======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-682A4C9; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jane, Just because your ancestors sailed from England doesn't make them English. Many travelers used Britain as a jumping point across the "big pond". Also, the Alsace-Lorraine region did change hands often. Most residents have German names but speak French (and you thought the 'young' were confused!). Al At 01:08 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >Ann; >It is interesting that you had a schoolmate with my last name , spelled >differently.Thanks for sharing this. >Thomas: >Again a thank you is in order. I am not sure of our origination , but >believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in >the 1800s.. >A Uncle once said that the name of Remly, was originally pronounced >as...Rhommole,(my spelling to pronounce it like he did.) >He said it was German....but, in researching this name, I find that the >area of Alsace-Lorraine could be where they came from.....and I >understand that its borders were at times both under French and German >control. >However, a church paper that I have said that 3 Brothers sailed to the >USA from England....thus complicating things. >Other researchers that have similiar surnames have various ideas of >their own, so I was hoping you could shed a little light....Thank you >for your efforts. Jane --=======724124D2======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-682A4C9 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --=======724124D2=======--

I have a g-grandmother who seemed uncertain, one census said born in France, two later years in Germany, amd sons death certificate said Switzerland, as did my father. I figgured it was Alsace Lorraine Carol S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Re: Ann and Thomas...RE surnames...... > --=======724124D2======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-682A4C9; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Jane, > > Just because your ancestors sailed from England doesn't make them > English. Many travelers used Britain as a jumping point across the "big > pond". Also, the Alsace-Lorraine region did change hands often. Most > residents have German names but speak French (and you thought the 'young' > were confused!). > > Al > > > > At 01:08 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: > > >Ann; > >It is interesting that you had a schoolmate with my last name , spelled > >differently.Thanks for sharing this. > >Thomas: > >Again a thank you is in order. I am not sure of our origination , but > >believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in > >the 1800s.. > >A Uncle once said that the name of Remly, was originally pronounced > >as...Rhommole,(my spelling to pronounce it like he did.) > >He said it was German....but, in researching this name, I find that the > >area of Alsace-Lorraine could be where they came from.....and I > >understand that its borders were at times both under French and German > >control. > >However, a church paper that I have said that 3 Brothers sailed to the > >USA from England....thus complicating things. > >Other researchers that have similiar surnames have various ideas of > >their own, so I was hoping you could shed a little light....Thank you > >for your efforts. Jane > > --=======724124D2======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-682A4C9 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 > > --=======724124D2=======-- > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Jane: I "watch" the PA-Pittsburgh site since my father and grandparents immigrated to this area. Haven't found/seen anything of help yet, but I keep reading. I live in the Lancaster, PA area and would be willing to help with any research you might need. Let me know. I do this for others since I don't have family here, but know how to use the research/historical libraries here and hope someone someday would do the same for me in Pittsburgh, etc. Bekah Wrightsville, PA [email protected] wrote: >Ann; >It is interesting that you had a schoolmate with my last name , spelled >differently.Thanks for sharing this. >Thomas: >Again a thank you is in order. I am not sure of our origination , but >believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in >the 1800s.. >A Uncle once said that the name of Remly, was originally pronounced >as...Rhommole,(my spelling to pronounce it like he did.) >He said it was German....but, in researching this name, I find that the >area of Alsace-Lorraine could be where they came from.....and I >understand that its borders were at times both under French and German >control. >However, a church paper that I have said that 3 Brothers sailed to the >USA from England....thus complicating things. >Other researchers that have similiar surnames have various ideas of >their own, so I was hoping you could shed a little light....Thank you >for your efforts. Jane > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

" . . . . . I am not sure of our origination , but believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in the 1800s.. Jane" - - - - - - - - - - Well, diligence in research will eventually get to your roots. Maddening at times isn't it ?? Interesting caption concerning Lancaster County Pennsylvania. I remember driving through there in my younger years and ending up in a plowed field one night when I swerved off the highway to avoid a buggy and horse. The Amish gentleman had absolutely no compassion for me at all when I told him what he could do with his horse and buggy. I know little about their heritage, however, it was my impression that their ethnicity centered around the Dutch, or those from Holland, as opposed to German. I may have to be corrected here. I thought the "Pennsylvania Dutch" were actually from Holland. Can anyone else shed light on this ?? Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

Searching for "Lost Relative" Alexander FINNEY and his family. He must really be "LOST" I posted this message on the Butler List too. No help has come in. Is there any one out there who knows of this family? Or their descendants Alexander FINNEY b: Unknown d: bef 1870. m: Julia Ann SCHLAGEL abt. 1843 b:1820 Butler County, PA one child: Levi Heinrick FINNEY b: 1844 Any info on Alexander would be greatly appreciated. Bea in West Sunbury, PA

Ann; It is interesting that you had a schoolmate with my last name , spelled differently.Thanks for sharing this. Thomas: Again a thank you is in order. I am not sure of our origination , but believe it to be Pa Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in the 1800s.. A Uncle once said that the name of Remly, was originally pronounced as...Rhommole,(my spelling to pronounce it like he did.) He said it was German....but, in researching this name, I find that the area of Alsace-Lorraine could be where they came from.....and I understand that its borders were at times both under French and German control. However, a church paper that I have said that 3 Brothers sailed to the USA from England....thus complicating things. Other researchers that have similiar surnames have various ideas of their own, so I was hoping you could shed a little light....Thank you for your efforts. Jane

Jane, I went to high school with someone who pronounced her last name as Remly. Her name was actually spelled Ruemmele and her ancestry was german. Ann

"Thank you so much for the explaination on my Warminski and Murawska surnames....do you do this on only Polish names, or could you give me an explaination on surnames from other origins as well ? I am thinking of my cousins name of : TYSARCZYK and my last name of REMLY....however, this has many spellings : Remley Remayley, Rommele, Remely, Remale, to name a few that I have found in my Geneaology searches. It is reportedly French, or German , altho English is also mentioned. Regards, Jane " - - - - - - - - - - Hello again Jane ... I center my onomastic hobby, a facet of genealogy, on Polish surnames, since I am of Polish extraction, however, a portion of other Slavic surnames sometimes fall into the same general categories and declension patterns so I can disect some of these as well. Some German surnames too as a large section of Western Europe was under Prussian occupation at one time, so the influence is fairly strong. I don't recognize the surname REMLY as Slavic in origin, nor Germanic. If REMLY Family lore suggests a German or a French connection then I would follow up on such research in these areas. Usually most of Family lore is incorrect after so many years, but there's always a bit of truth left in there somewhere. As an opinion, I would consider a "French Connection", however, I think the suffix "LY" is probably "Americanized". You'll note that the root of the surname REMLY, which is REM, remains constant while the suffix changes constantly ?? That's generally because the original surnames' suffix is foreign to our Western tongue/ear and the variants you see are the product of some trying to pronounce and scribe it correctly and some hearing and writing it incorrectly. Someone here on this list probably speaks the French language, may have even been born in France. Perhaps they may educate us both concerning this surname along with possible variants. In the end, and after your research, the surname REMLY may indeed, by the original spelling, refer back into the Slavic or Germanic countries. There's not enough information at present to state, without doubt, that this is so. If you would state that yes, this is a German surname or a Polish surname, then perhaps I could help you since the root REM exists in some fashion in both Polish and German. TYSARCZYK - TYSAR - TYSZER - TESAR : Formed from the Czech, from an occupation or office, from the Czech root word "tesar>" which means "carpenter" in English. Some of the more prevalent surname variants formed from this root word are Tesar, Tesarczyk, Tesarski, Tes~lak, Tessar, Tysarczyk and Tyszer. There were around 153 TYSARCZYK's living in Poland as of about 1990. The suffix CZYK in the surname TYSARCZYK means "Son Of". TYSARCZYK means "Son of the Carpenter". An interesting "story" for your cousin - It came to pass that the three tribes of the Great Slavic Nation wandered, in hopes of finding a better place to live. Their leaders were Czech, Lech, and Rus. On the banks of the Dnieper river, Rus said "this is the place for my tribe" and there they settled. Czech and Lech continued the journey. Soon they came to a rich land overflowing with milk and honey. Czech climbed to the top of a hill in Bohemia, fell to his knees and opened his mind to the will of the Almighty - and here they stayed. Lech moved on alone and eventually came onto the fertile plains of Polonia. He looked up to receive a sign from his God and against the red sky of the setting sun, he saw a white eagle perched in a tree. Here his tribe stayed and prospered, the white eagle with red background has been the symbol of Poland since that day. What a rich heritage we have. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

Mr. Lassek; Thank you so much for the explaination on my Warminski and Murawska surnames....I read your letter with great interest. You seem VERY knowledgeable on the origin of names.....do you do this on only Polish names, or could you give me an explaination on surnames from other origins as well ? I am thinking of my cousins name of : TYSARCZYK and my last name of REMLY....however, this has many spellings : Remley Remayley, Rommele, Remely, Remale, to name a few that I have found in my Geneaology searches. It is reportedly French, or German , altho English is also mentioned. Thank you again for any help you can give, and please know that I really appreciated your help on my previous names....Regards, Jane

Hi Sue Thanks for the info, however I found out that Penny's sells lampshades. I found just what I wanted. They look beautiful on my lamps. Barb

--=======434841EC======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2EA9EFC; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, the kettle is back! Al At 10:49 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >He is right here cutie. That is my big thing, interior decorating, >specializing on lamp shades. Are you up or down ?? You have been rather >quiet lately. Getting old ?? > >[email protected] wrote: >>Barb, my friend went to Sewickley to have lampshades made. Maybe Mac >>can check it out for you. By the way, where is Mac? --=======434841EC======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2EA9EFC Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 --=======434841EC=======--

He is right here cutie. That is my big thing, interior decorating, specializing on lamp shades. Are you up or down ?? You have been rather quiet lately. Getting old ?? [email protected] wrote: > Barb, my friend went to Sewickley to have lampshades made. Maybe Mac can > check it out for you. By the way, where is Mac? > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

There's a place on Liberty Avenue in Dormont that I believe is called Erik's Lighting which has lampshades.