--=======33CA6F30======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4A801403; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Katie, If you or any of your acquaintances are members of classmates.com, you might find some students from those years still alive. Hell, Mac still has his from the 1893 class of Fifth Ave High School. I think that he also said that he had the 3 preceding years but it was 1893 when he graduated. Al At 09:04 PM 8/25/2004, you wrote: >I continue to look for South HIlls High School Yearbooks from 1935-1945. >Anyone out there who has them for sale or can help with the followig >surnames: >Mary >Hurd >Michel > >Thanks, Katie (nee Mary) Hlavac --=======33CA6F30======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4A801403 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 --=======33CA6F30=======--

I continue to look for South HIlls High School Yearbooks from 1935-1945. Anyone out there who has them for sale or can help with the followig surnames: Mary Hurd Michel Thanks, Katie (nee Mary) Hlavac

Well, whether your a old hand at genealogy or a "newbie" it's still interesting talking about the differences & similarities of name spellings. I've been doing it more than a few years, & appreciate someone's experience in something I've not dove into myself, YET! I'm still learning of new spellings of my maiden name of Cain: Kean, Kane, Kain, & others! So we can all find our relatives! Thanks for your opinion, Tom, & chatting. Are you a transplanted "southerner" or native, Tom? I'm a transplanted northerner from OH to Central FL. Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/23/2004 10:31:02 AM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] OKRUTA > > "Kids, > It may have been the person that recorded the name that put "'" behind > the O. I had a friend Joe Opalka with no "'". I do believe that that is > how many names change or, rather, become corrupted. Mac" > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Hello Mac ... > > Yes, that's true, and it's not over yet, in fact the surname variants may change as time progresses. O'Reilly today may be Orely 200 years from now for one reason or the other and I personally think that all the diacritical marks will continue to go away as well, as they have in the last 100 years when immigrants arrived in the US. > > All this surname business is based on phonetics. As our English dictionary changes, based on acceptable modifications to the English language, so eventually will the spelling of surnames change - by design or otherwise. > > For the most part, we as a people are over the "main hump" when immigrant illiteracy was the norm rather than the exception. I've seen various figures from the early years concerning immigrant illiteracy and I think it's fair to say that somewhere around 90% could neither read or write in their native language - couple that with spelling in the new world language (English) and it becomes a mess. Immigrants were concerned only with "getting here" - correct spelling of their surname was of little or no importance, and if they were asked to confirm their surname in writing, they'd undoubtedly look at the "entry" and nod their head in the affirmative. Mr. Szkiladz from Poland would swear up and down that the "Smith" entry just recorded by Mr. McDonald in the governments "arrival register" in New York was indeed his surname. Everyone concerned, now happy that "inprocessing" was finished, could go their seperate ways. Mr. Szkiladz could now board the train West towards his eventu! > al homestead in the new country. > > Tom Lassek > Eufaula Alabama > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

"Kids, It may have been the person that recorded the name that put "'" behind the O. I had a friend Joe Opalka with no "'". I do believe that that is how many names change or, rather, become corrupted. Mac" - - - - - - - - - - Hello Mac ... Yes, that's true, and it's not over yet, in fact the surname variants may change as time progresses. O'Reilly today may be Orely 200 years from now for one reason or the other and I personally think that all the diacritical marks will continue to go away as well, as they have in the last 100 years when immigrants arrived in the US. All this surname business is based on phonetics. As our English dictionary changes, based on acceptable modifications to the English language, so eventually will the spelling of surnames change - by design or otherwise. For the most part, we as a people are over the "main hump" when immigrant illiteracy was the norm rather than the exception. I've seen various figures from the early years concerning immigrant illiteracy and I think it's fair to say that somewhere around 90% could neither read or write in their native language - couple that with spelling in the new world language (English) and it becomes a mess. Immigrants were concerned only with "getting here" - correct spelling of their surname was of little or no importance, and if they were asked to confirm their surname in writing, they'd undoubtedly look at the "entry" and nod their head in the affirmative. Mr. Szkiladz from Poland would swear up and down that the "Smith" entry just recorded by Mr. McDonald in the governments "arrival register" in New York was indeed his surname. Everyone concerned, now happy that "inprocessing" was finished, could go their seperate ways. Mr. Szkiladz could now board the train West towards his eventu! al homestead in the new country. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

"Well, If there's Irish blood I'm not aware, though I've known him a number of years, I'd just heard that they were POLISH, & so haven't looked farther, but may ask next time I'm in touch with him. Thanks for the tidbit, it's always interesting in doing genealogy! My maiden name is Irish so it's so interesting that you say he may be Irish! That would be so cool! Cathy" - - - - - - - - - - Cathy ... Well, some way, some how, there's an Irish inflection present in some manner. If you eventually find the rationale behind this "event", I'd appreciate your putting the info up here so I can see it. The subject is intriguing. I have never seen such an "Irish-ing" of a Polish surname. A likely scenario may be equivalent to a surname spelling change that occured in my Family. The proper spelling of my surname is LASEK, however, in the late 1800's, a census enumerator visited the farm of my Great Grandfather, his wife, and at that time 9 children (14 eventually) in Duncan Nebraska. The enumerator told my GGfather that "here in America your surname should be spelled LASSEK, so as to blend in better". My GGfather thought he was nuts, but the idea stuck with my GGmother, and much to the chagrin of my GGfather, she made all the children spell the surname LASSEK, "so as to blend in" and "become more American". As such, LASSEK stuck and for legal reasons it eventually became binding and is still is use today. It wouldn't take much to note a similiarity of occurance if the enumerator were Irish and the Family was Okruta .... now O'Kruta. My Irish wife of 35 years tells me that I should count my blessings in having "married-up", hehehehehe. I remind her of course, of her now "social repositioning towards a higher rung of the ladder" ... which usually solicits a tongue-lashing in the Irish brogue .... heheheheheheh. Marrying her was the best thing that ever happened to me. Have you ever had Polish food cooked with an "Irish flare" ?? Makes your hair curl and your lips pucker ..... hehehehehhe. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

>jdp33, Did a quick search at familysearch.com (LDS Site) and found the following in 1880 Sewickley: the address appears to be Centennial Ave ( The houses weren't numbered). Thomp. GRAHAM Self M Male W 25 PA Clerk In Store PA PA Anna GRAHAM Wife M Female W 25 PA Keeping House PA PA Ella M. GRAHAM Dau S Female W 4 PA Home PA PA Clara GRAHAM Dau S Female W 3 PA Home PA PA Hope this helps. John Charlotte, NC

Kids, It may have been the person that recorded the name that put "'" behind the O. I had a friend Joe Opalka with no "'". I do believe that that is how many names change or, rather, become corrupted. Mac Cathy Raber wrote: > Well, If there's Irish blood I'm not aware, though I've known > him a number of years, I'd just heard that they were POLISH, & so haven't > looked farther, but may ask next time I'm in touch with him. Thanks for > the tidbit, it's always interesting in doing genealogy! > My maiden name is Irish so it's so interesting that you say > he may be Irish! That would be so cool! Cathy > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Date: 8/21/2004 11:37:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] OKRUTA >> >>"Thanks, for the info Tom. I also have a friend named Tom >>O'Kruta from WVA/OH areas. Cathy Raber" >> >>- - - - - - - - - - >> >>Hello again Cathy ... >> >>It's interesting that the Polish surname Okruta has evolved into O'Kruta > > as you spell it. Unless you know the specific reason surrounding this > evolution, as is obvious, there was probably an Irish connection somewhere > "up the line". > >>I've never seen this transformation, in this way, in the past, however, I > > can tell you that in all my research into the old records of Poland, and > for that matter, even in the US, the first to settle in most area's were > the Irish. There are sections of Poland where "colonists" were permitted to > settle in the extreme early years. Over time, they became acculturated and > assimilated, speaking the Polish language with the Irish surnames > eventually overwhelmed by the Polish. Every once in awhile I would see an > "Irish" surname listed, but this was the exception by far, never the rule. > In this particular case, the Polish surname spelling has been retained with > the seperation indicator between the letters "O" and "k" which is common > enough in the Irish way. > >>Very interesting. >> >>Tom Lassek >>Eufaula Alabama >> >> >>==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >>If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: >>[email protected] >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Well, If there's Irish blood I'm not aware, though I've known him a number of years, I'd just heard that they were POLISH, & so haven't looked farther, but may ask next time I'm in touch with him. Thanks for the tidbit, it's always interesting in doing genealogy! My maiden name is Irish so it's so interesting that you say he may be Irish! That would be so cool! Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/21/2004 11:37:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] OKRUTA > > "Thanks, for the info Tom. I also have a friend named Tom > O'Kruta from WVA/OH areas. Cathy Raber" > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Hello again Cathy ... > > It's interesting that the Polish surname Okruta has evolved into O'Kruta as you spell it. Unless you know the specific reason surrounding this evolution, as is obvious, there was probably an Irish connection somewhere "up the line". > > I've never seen this transformation, in this way, in the past, however, I can tell you that in all my research into the old records of Poland, and for that matter, even in the US, the first to settle in most area's were the Irish. There are sections of Poland where "colonists" were permitted to settle in the extreme early years. Over time, they became acculturated and assimilated, speaking the Polish language with the Irish surnames eventually overwhelmed by the Polish. Every once in awhile I would see an "Irish" surname listed, but this was the exception by far, never the rule. In this particular case, the Polish surname spelling has been retained with the seperation indicator between the letters "O" and "k" which is common enough in the Irish way. > > Very interesting. > > Tom Lassek > Eufaula Alabama > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Does anyone have access to a census report around 1880? I am looking for information on Ella Maude Graham, who is my Grandmother. Her fathers name was Thompson G. Graham and mother was Fannie Boyd according to the funeral home where she was buried from in Delta, Pa. I know she was born in or near (possibly in Sewickley) Pittsburgh. She was raised in Sewickley, Pa. She had at least one sister and a brother Arthur.

http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/regwills/regrec.asp Cathy, My email to you bounced as spam, hence my posting here. While downtown a while ago, I happened across the marriage license records for: Series: E Number: 8100 Coffin James P. Raber Katherine 1903 Series: M Number 9653 Perry John P. Raber Irene 1921 If you order, you must give the series & number The above url gives instructions. Nan

"Thanks, for the info Tom. I also have a friend named Tom O'Kruta from WVA/OH areas. Cathy Raber" - - - - - - - - - - Hello again Cathy ... It's interesting that the Polish surname Okruta has evolved into O'Kruta as you spell it. Unless you know the specific reason surrounding this evolution, as is obvious, there was probably an Irish connection somewhere "up the line". I've never seen this transformation, in this way, in the past, however, I can tell you that in all my research into the old records of Poland, and for that matter, even in the US, the first to settle in most area's were the Irish. There are sections of Poland where "colonists" were permitted to settle in the extreme early years. Over time, they became acculturated and assimilated, speaking the Polish language with the Irish surnames eventually overwhelmed by the Polish. Every once in awhile I would see an "Irish" surname listed, but this was the exception by far, never the rule. In this particular case, the Polish surname spelling has been retained with the seperation indicator between the letters "O" and "k" which is common enough in the Irish way. Very interesting. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

Not more than I wanted to know. That's an interesting migration story Susan. You should change the subject to Early PA Migration! There are books, but a great synopsis of the migration of peoples. I always wanted to know more. When you connect the reasons why people migrate & the specific people that makes the story. Thanks, Cathy Raber > [Original Message] > From: Susan McFeatters <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/18/2004 10:42:08 PM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Re: Ann and Thomas...RE surnames...... > > And to continue on with Pennsylvania history: > > In the early settling of the colony, the English, primarily Quakers, > established themselves in the eastern part of Pennsylvania, primarily > in Philadelphia. The Germans came in several waves and settled outside > of Philadelphia (Germantown) and to the west. The Scotch-Irish also > came in waves and settled further west, seen by the Quaker > powers-that-be as a convenient buffer between the colony and the > Indians, the Scotch-Irish having no compunction about fighting. The > Scotch-Irish were lowland Scots who had migrated to Ulster (now > Northern Ireland) in the 17th century. Due to one revolt or another, > there were not many Irish left in Ulster, thanks to the England's > policy of clearing out the lands and bringing in other settlers. When > the Scotch-Irish started migrating to Pennsylvania in the early 1700s, > they were really a breed apart -- neither Irish (they brought their > Presbyterian faith to Ireland with them which later caused problems > when England wanted them to pledge loyalty to the Anglican faith) but > neither fully Scots after their sojourn in Ireland. One of their most > fervent wishes in coming to America was to be left alone which helped > make them ideal frontiersmen and women. (Part of the attraction of > going to Ulster was to get away from the Highlanders who tore through > their lands to fight the English across the border and English troops > who did the same going north after the Highlanders.) As more and more > of western Pennsylvania was purchased from the Indians, they continued > moving west (as well as south down the Shenandoah Valley to North > Carolina and eastern Tennessee). The Amish and Mennonite Germans who > became known as the Pennsylvania Dutch largely stayed around York and > Lancaster, but other Germans moved west into the areas the Scotch-Irish > vacated, establishing great breweries such as Yuenglings all across the > state. (I have a theory that history has covered up the real reason Jeb > Stuart was late getting to Gettysburg -- the south was sorely lacking > in good beer and Stuart had heard about this fabulous brewery in > Pottsville and on the map it didn't look that far away ...) > > It's probably a stretch to say they shared a language with the English, > at least initially. The Philadelphians were horrified by their dress > and manners and glad to see them head out to the frontier. Since they > had no allegiances to the old country and no particular love for the > English, there was never any doubt where their loyalties lay during the > 1770s. They provided Washington's army with fierce fighters and skilled > marksmen. They did retain their Scottish respect for education and > Presbyterian faith and left a trail of schools and churches on their > way west. > > More than you wanted to know, eh? > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Osceola Co in Orlando area, got hit with LOTS OF TREES down too! That's northwest of the hardest hit areas. And Daytona areas got hit with power outages too, which most were to be back on by this weekend! Schools aren't supposed to running until Monday or Tuesday, depending on county, Osceola, Orange, or Seminole counties. Though it'll be months before southwest FL is back from the pictures we keep seeing in Central FL! Those winds took allot of TREES DOWN in FL. And everyone is just wondering where they're going to put them all! Cathy Raber, Central FL > [Original Message] > From: Sue Mc <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/19/2004 3:38:36 AM > Subject: RE: [PITTSBURGH] Aftermath of Hurricane Charley > > Bob, > A friend of mine lives in Ft Myers and the things she's been telling me have > been horrific. They just got their power back on a couple of hours ago but > they were fortunate enough to have a generator to keep necessary appliances > running and a light or two. Surprisingly, her internet service didn't go > down and she was able to send me a couple quick emails to let me know that > she was ok. My step-mother lives in Springhill and I had a heck of a time > getting through to her on the phone because of the busy circuits. She said > that the piles of debris along the roads was so high on both sides that it > was like going through a tunnel. > It was wise of you to go up to Tampa to weather out the hurricane and I'm > happy to hear that your house didn't sustain any damages other than the > fallen trees. I'm sure it's going to take a very long time with the clean > up efforts and an ordeal that won't soon be forgotten. > > No, I'm not that Sue, I'm the 'other one,' LOL. > > Take care, > Sue* > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Hi Sue: Thanks for asking. I like a little excitement in my life but the > prospects of Hurricane Charley was a little too much excitement for me. I > like > living. I made arrangements to be in Tampa when the storm hit. So, I am > fine. > In regard to the aftermath: My nights of sitting in the dark without any > lights, TV, radio, telephone, cell phone, are over. Power is back on - > camne > back on today. Now I can charge my cell phone. Home telephone also back > on. > But still no TV so I don't know what is happening in the world. No damage > to > my home here in GULF HARBOUR - thank GOD. We were supposed to get an 18 > foot > surge of water along with 145 mile an hour wind but got no water - only > wind > - but something less than 145 miles an hour. Fort Myers Beach (five miles > South of here) and the Barrier Islands (Sanibel and Captiva on the other > side > of the river from Fort Myers) got it all. Captiva took a direct hit and > Hurricane Charley then wiped out Pine Island and slammed into Port > Charlotte, went > inland and across the state to Orlando. Only lost one building on my > numerous rental properties but the amount of trees that were knocked down > is > unbelievable. Will take me forever to cut them up. > > They let people living on Fort Myers Beach back on the island today. There > is no beach anymore. It's all gone and I mean ALL. For example, the Gulf > of > Mexico now comes up to the Pier Restraurant. there is no beach. As for the > > bridge that connects Sanibel Island to Captiva, it now goes over sand. > Hurricane Charley joined the two islands. It did just the opposite to > Upper Captiva > Island - it split it in two. I understand there are now two islands there > instead of one. You probably have seen on national TV and already know > about > Port Charolette and Punta Gorda - more than I know sitting here without TV. > > Is this Sue from up around Perrysville Avenue? > > Bob Kircher, Fort Myers > > In a message dated 8/19/2004 2:50:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Bob, > How are you doing down there, after the hurricane? > > Sue* > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 5/31/2004 > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks, for the info Tom. I also have a friend named Tom O'Kruta from WVA/OH areas. Cathy Raber > [Original Message] > From: Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/19/2004 12:44:23 AM > Subject: [PITTSBURGH] OKRUTA > > "Tom, > Would you know where the name of O'Kruta might fit into the Polish > scene? Any background appreciated? Cathy" > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Hello Cathy ... > > In the Polish way, the surname should be spelled as "Okruta". OKRUT- Formed from a feature, from the Polish root word "okrutny" which means "cruel, savage". I see there were about 374 OKRUTA's residing in Poland as of about 1990. Other surname variants listed as being formed from this root word are Okrutnik and Okrutny. There is not suffix since the variant and the root are virtually the same - the letter "y" in the root "okrutny" was simply changed to the letter "a" to form and designate the surname. At the time of surname formation, your ancestor, Pan Okruta had a feature which others designated as "cruel, savage". Perhaps he had a scar on his face obtained during a battle where he was described as cruel and or savage during the fighting by the enemy. Perhaps Mr. Okruta caught someone stealing his vegetables at night and he "thrashed" the thief within an inch of his life and during the scuffle he incurred a large slash on his arm which may cause others to consider his resp! > onse to the theft cruel and savage. Lot's of possible variables ... however, he did have a visible feature on his person which was obtained, in some respect, from an act or acts of which others considered "cruel and or savage". > > http://www.herby.com.pl/herby/ will take you to a site where it is possible to see, by province, where the 374 OKRUTA's resided within Poland as of about 1990. When you get to the site, click on "Slownika Nazwisk Wsp�lczesnie w Polsce Uzywanych", then type in the surname OKRUTA in the search box, click "szukaj" (enter). Click Tutaj znajduja sie objasnienia skr�t�w and a little box will come down on the upper left which will provide province abbreviation's. I see that the largest number of OKRUTA's (154 of them) were grouped in Bielskie province (abbreviation "BB"). > > Tom Lassek > Eufaula Alabama > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I am interested in any info on the MURRAY family of the 19th and 20th centuries in Braddock then Oakland areas of Pittsburgh Catherine McGrath MURRAY, born in Ireland married Michael MURRAY living in Braddock Borough when widowed early with three known children: Frances MURRAY, a teacher who lived in Oakland area of Pittsburgh b. 23 March, 1892 d. May 1973 Margaret Muray, lived with sister Frances in Oakland b. 1 October, 1888 d. December, 1977 Michael b. ? d. 8 March, 1955 As a widow, Catherine (Katie) founded the store KM Murray. Anyone remember that large business? Any help/info would be gratefully received from this relative! - Eileen ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

--=======340266FA======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1C5DB; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carol, Yeh, the Philly fat boy come into town and gave millions away to a lot of outfits. Trouble is, that was my money, your money and I don't think that you gave permission for him to do that. I sure as all hell didn't. Yet the people in this state, this country, will vote for the idiot that promises the most and every time the feds create another beaucracy, the taxes go up. I like Bush but I'm really annoyed with him because he should have eliminated the Department of Education. That's the responsibility of the state, not the feds and they already find too damn many places to waste money! Al At 06:57 PM 8/20/2004, you wrote: >Hi Al, >I am a bit behind on my email and just got to your letter of Aug. 19. You >Go Guy. I don't live in the city anymore, but you really hit that nail on >the head. >It scares the living S out of me when I read the news these days. >Yesterday Harrisburg Chubby gave about 4 million to the Steelers I think. >I sure wish the heck I could afford health care, taxes and my meds. LOL. > >Carol --=======340266FA======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1C5DB Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 --=======340266FA=======--

To Sue Mc: In your message re the above where in Snyder Co did you spend time. My paternal grandmother's family was from Snyder Co, Beaver Springs to be exact. Carolyn ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi Al, I am a bit behind on my email and just got to your letter of Aug. 19. You Go Guy. I don't live in the city anymore, but you really hit that nail on the head. It scares the living S out of me when I read the news these days. Yesterday Harrisburg Chubby gave about 4 million to the Steelers I think. I sure wish the heck I could afford health care, taxes and my meds. LOL. Carol

"I don't know about you all, but I like the Amish. When I saw that movie "Witness" with Harrison Ford, I wanted to go out and join a "barn raising"! Their simple way of life is appealing. Also, I'm sure there must be a branch of genealogy called "Amish genealogy" or something. Carol" - - - - - - - - - - Very well said Carol. All things said and done, we are all more alike than we are different, having the same feelings, experiencing the same pains and joy's, following what one believes is correct in their heart, based on personal beliefs and faith - always trying to do what's right, with never an intention of hurting a fellow human. I wish all of humanity would strive towards such worthwhile goals. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

I don't know much about the Amish community but I had an Amish friend when I was a child. With my mother's family having their PA Dutch roots in Snyder county we often spent several weeks a year there so I developed friendships with the local children. I recall having a wonderful time playing with corn husk dolls and intrigued with using candles rather than lights, pumping water rather than turning on a spigot and I loved all of the horses. But like many other places, it was a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. Sue* ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Movahed To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Re: Ann and Thomas...RE surnames...... I don't know about you all, but I like the Amish. When I saw that movie "Witness" with Harrison Ford, I wanted to go out and join a "barn raising"! Their simple way of life is appealing. Also, I'm sure there must be a branch of genealogy called "Amish genealogy" or something. >From: "Thomas E. Lassek" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Re: Ann and Thomas...RE surnames...... >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:31:38 -0500 > >" . . . . . I am not sure of our origination , but believe it to be Pa >Deutche...or German...I found it in Lancaster, Pa in the 1800s.. >Jane" > >- - - - - - - - - - > >Well, diligence in research will eventually get to your roots. Maddening at >times isn't it ?? Interesting caption concerning Lancaster County >Pennsylvania. I remember driving through there in my younger years and >ending up in a plowed field one night when I swerved off the highway to >avoid a buggy and horse. The Amish gentleman had absolutely no compassion >for me at all when I told him what he could do with his horse and buggy. > >I know little about their heritage, however, it was my impression that >their ethnicity centered around the Dutch, or those from Holland, as >opposed to German. I may have to be corrected here. I thought the >"Pennsylvania Dutch" were actually from Holland. Can anyone else shed light >on this ?? > >Tom Lassek >Eufaula Alabama > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237