Always helps me if I actually pull the documents that I have... A researcher, a great person who really helped me a lot, checked the Pittsburgh Press for the days of 13-16 Jan 1911. They got the cemetery permit to bury him on the 16th of January. But, there is an odd story in the family about one set of ancestors that apparently were not buried right away due to a winter storm. Well there are only two potential candidates for this...one is Frederick Bode and I am starting to think it might be why there was no obituary in the Pittsburgh Press. Post Gazette - well in theory I am in Pittsburgh for a research trip in November...helping on another project. But, I could search that time frame while I am there. Carnegie is on the list - Heinz Center as well. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Raber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? Rod, What about the Post gazette? There used to be one years ago, when I lived there in the mid-1970's80's. Carnegie Library of Oakland has newspapers. Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Al Lenkner <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/23/2004 2:06:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Rod, > > The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp > was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to > nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their > neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: > > 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. > 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by > what route. > 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, > blah. > 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. > > Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the > intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago > about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for > travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most > important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my > choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has > a Historical Society. > > Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's > recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you > furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a > family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great > grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably > go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's > impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. > > Al > > > At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: > > >Hey folks, > > > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line > >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > > > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can > >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage > >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in > >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no > >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest > >search for that street location. > > > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no > >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > > > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once > >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice > >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the > >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. > >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few > >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember > >hearing about as a small girl? > > > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > > > >Rod Fleck > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > --=======4181942=======-- > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Rod, What about the Post gazette? There used to be one years ago, when I lived there in the mid-1970's80's. Carnegie Library of Oakland has newspapers. Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Al Lenkner <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/23/2004 2:06:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Rod, > > The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp > was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to > nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their > neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: > > 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. > 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by > what route. > 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, > blah. > 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. > > Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the > intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago > about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for > travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most > important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my > choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has > a Historical Society. > > Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's > recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you > furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a > family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great > grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably > go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's > impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. > > Al > > > At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: > > >Hey folks, > > > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line > >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > > > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can > >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage > >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in > >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no > >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest > >search for that street location. > > > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no > >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > > > >One interesting odd recollection � my great grandmother before she died once > >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice > >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the > >body buried�so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. > >Looking over my materials � I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few > >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember > >hearing about as a small girl? > > > >Ok � any help would be appreciated. > > > >Rod Fleck > > --=======4181942======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > --=======4181942=======-- > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

--=======7D9D225======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-A4B1174; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, I'm glad that it made your day. I do have a question. What map are you looking for? I tried to follow your directions but......... you didn't mention whether Baldwin was the township or the borough. There are only 2 Gerry Drives in Allegheny County and I've located the one that you mention but I'm still puzzled. I'm not aware of any Bellevue Plaza near Gerry Drive. Can you scan the section of the map that you're looking at and email it to me or, if you're looking online, give me the URL. Al At 10:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >AL - THANK YOU!! This gives me a reference point. That is a great >starting point. > >I went back and checked the ages - my great grand mother was born in 1905, >her grandfather died in 1911. So it is possible that this was the person >she was referencing, but heaven only knows. During the last few years of >her life some of the things she remembered, no one else had ever heard of >before. There were only two of her grandparents who died in the heart of >Winter...but again, it could be just a red herring. > >Hey, went to map quest and thanks to your directions, I pulled up a map and >just a bit south of the intersection you gave me there is a "SURGEON >ALL" -- It is a 1/2 mile East of Baldwin and 1/2 a mile West of Bellevue >Plaza near a GERRY DRIVE. > >THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT RESPONSE AL...Made my morning! > >Rod > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Lenkner [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? > >--=======4181942======= >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; >format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Rod, > >The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp >was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to >nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their >neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: > >1. It was on Brownsville Rd. >2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by >what route. >3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, >blah. >4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. > >Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the >intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago >about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for >travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most >important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my >choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has >a Historical Society. > >Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's >recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you >furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a >family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great >grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably >go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's >impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. > >Al > > >At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: > > >Hey folks, > > > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line > >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > > > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can > >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage > >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in > >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no > >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a >mapquest > >search for that street location. > > > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no > >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > > > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once > >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice > >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the > >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. > >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few > >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember > >hearing about as a small girl? > > > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > > > >Rod Fleck > >--=======4181942======= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; >x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > >--=======4181942=======-- > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Rod, Terry, and Everyone - It would help if you would include in your query the names of the ancestors you are searching in cemeteries, as well as religion, and location if known. I, and I am sure many others, have reference materials on some of the cemeteries and could do a quick lookup for you. I have a copy if Greentree Cemetery (on Greentree Rd) and listings for Grandview Church of God Cemetery (aka West Liberty Cemetery). Contact me direct if you want a lookup. [email protected] And don't forget Norm Meinert's wonderful website includes cemetery listings http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njm1/tombs.htm If you are able to visit the Carnegie Library in Oakland, check at the WPGS desk and ask to see the cemetery files in the locked file cabinet. There should be listings, both complete and incomplete, for some of the cemeteries in Allegheny County in file folders. I don't think they have been moved but don't hesitate to inquire and check it out. Thanks Al and Annie for your good descriptions of cemeteries in the area. Nancy Long

AL - THANK YOU!! This gives me a reference point. That is a great starting point. I went back and checked the ages - my great grand mother was born in 1905, her grandfather died in 1911. So it is possible that this was the person she was referencing, but heaven only knows. During the last few years of her life some of the things she remembered, no one else had ever heard of before. There were only two of her grandparents who died in the heart of Winter...but again, it could be just a red herring. Hey, went to map quest and thanks to your directions, I pulled up a map and just a bit south of the intersection you gave me there is a "SURGEON ALL" -- It is a 1/2 mile East of Baldwin and 1/2 a mile West of Bellevue Plaza near a GERRY DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT RESPONSE AL...Made my morning! Rod -----Original Message----- From: Al Lenkner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Surgeon's Hall, Baldwin Township = what today? --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by what route. 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, blah. 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has a Historical Society. Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. Al At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >Hey folks, > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest >search for that street location. > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > >One interesting odd recollection my great grandmother before she died once >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the >body buried...so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. >Looking over my materials I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember >hearing about as a small girl? > >Ok any help would be appreciated. > >Rod Fleck --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======4181942=======--

--=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rod, The fact that I never heard of Surgeon's Hall intrigued me. Baldwin Twp was, at one time, an enormous twp but has been whittled over the years to nothing, saving two of my sisters-in-law and a few of their neighbors. Pitt's Historic Site revealed a few clues: 1. It was on Brownsville Rd. 2. It was 8 miles from Pgh but it didn't say how that was measured and by what route. 3. The North Zion Lutheran Church was the oldest..............blah, blah, blah. 4. Numerous references to postmasters of Surgeon's Hall. Putting them all together, I think that Surgeon's Hall was roughly the intersection of Brownsville Rd and Route 51. I read an article years ago about the Zion Lutheran Church on the corner. It's a natural spot for travel and commerce, presently being the intersection of two of the most important roads in that area. If I had to put money on it, that's my choice. But I recommend that you try to see if Brentwood or Whitehall has a Historical Society. Unless you're pretty young, I doubt that your great grandmother's recollection was of Frederick Conrad Bode. I didn't look at the URL you furnished but I'm going by the dates. My grandfather was ready to start a family, being 17 going on 18 in 1911. That's my grandfather, not my great grandfather. Your grandmother's recollection of her grandfather probably go back much further in time. Without knowing her birthdate, it's impossible to me or others to make an intelligent guess. Al At 01:15 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: >Hey folks, > >I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line >http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 > >Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can >get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage >in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon's Hall have been in Baldwin Township in >relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no >address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest >search for that street location. > >Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no >entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). > >One interesting odd recollection ­ my great grandmother before she died once >went on and on about a story about her "grandfather being stored in the ice >house" because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn't get the >body buried…so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. >Looking over my materials ­ I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few >days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember >hearing about as a small girl? > >Ok ­ any help would be appreciated. > >Rod Fleck --=======4181942======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ECD3FB9 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======4181942=======--

Hey folks, I am working on my Frederick Conrad Bode line http://www.gencircles.com/users/rodfleck/2/data/547 Now, one thought I have is to focus on where he was living and see if I can get an idea of what newspaper may have carried an obituary for his passage in Jan 1911. Where would Surgeon’s Hall have been in Baldwin Township in relationship to Pittsburgh today? Boy I hope that made sense. I have no address for his actual home, so that is making it difficult to do a mapquest search for that street location. Would that area have been covered by a particular newspaper?? There was no entry for the Pittsburgh Press for that period of January (13-16 Jan 1911). One interesting odd recollection – my great grandmother before she died once went on and on about a story about her “grandfather being stored in the ice house” because the ground was so cold when he died they couldn’t get the body buried…so he was stored in a closet like structure in the ice house. Looking over my materials – I notice that cemetery permit was issued a few days after his death. I wonder if this is the person she was remember hearing about as a small girl? Ok – any help would be appreciated. Rod Fleck

For those of you who have your roots in the Pgh. area. These were probably taken on Saturday Sept. 18, 2004. My sister sent me the link, I don't know who to credit for the photos. Vickie http://www.kruckewitt.com/

Thanks, Vickie - that's A LOT of rain! Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Hospodar Valentine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Flooding | For those of you who have your roots in the Pgh. area. These were probably | taken on Saturday Sept. 18, 2004. My sister sent me the link, I don't know | who to credit for the photos. | Vickie | | http://www.kruckewitt.com/ | | | | ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== | How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 |

Donna, Bobbi, and those interested in flood damage in Allison Park. We were not as devastated as Etna, Sharpsburg, & Millvale, but there is some sort of flood damage on almost every property. From minor seepage in basements, to major flooding in low lying and creekside homes. Wildwood Road and Duncan Avenue are still closed in Hampton Township. Shaler Township had more severe damage in areas including, of course, Glenshaw Flats. Giant Eagle and Shop & Save on Route 8 were flooded with at least 6 to 8 inches of water. Customers & employees had to be evacuated by boat about 3:30 on Friday. They (and other businesses) are closed for at least a week to 10 days. Shaler had couple major water line breaks that couldn't be found due to the flooding. I think that's been repaired. West Deer, Richland, Indiana, Pine, McCandless, Ross, etc. had their share of damage too. Emergency personnel are still pumping out basements, residents & business owners are removing appliances, furniture and mud. I live on McNeal Road in Hampton (not far from Cavey Crest Circle) and thankfully had only a little seepage in the basement. I can't imagine how people with lots of damage are able to deal with it all, especially the elderly and handicapped. My sister lives in Florida and weathered Charlie and Frances. I told her that it's just not fair that Floridians keep sending us their left over hurricanes, after all we don't send them our snow and ice. Barb [email protected]

Bobbi, I called my sister and she said that most of Hampton is fine. She got water in her basement and it ruined her carpeting, but not serious damage. Lower Allison Park didn't fair so well. Pine Creek went up over the banks and flooded the area. Her friends got completely flooded out (also flooded in 1986) and are throwing in the towel. They will not move back, but would anyone want to buy. Is 18 years between floods long enough. Rosanne

--=======51E6DCB======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1E463618; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Happy to oblige! <LOL> Al At 01:58 AM 9/20/2004, you wrote: >Duh me, lol. I have that link bookmarked but it never occurred to me to use >it to see who was still there. I still recognize one family, their daughter >was my babysitter. I will have to drop them a line. Wow, what a blast from >the past. Thanks for the wakeup slap! > >Bobbi --=======51E6DCB======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1E463618 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======51E6DCB=======--

" . . . . .around and a man came out of 'my' house and asked if he could help me. I told him I had lived there in the 60's and 70's, and wondered if I could walk around the yard. He insisted on giving me a tour, including inside the house, and told me to take all the pictures I wished. I was so touched I bawled as soon as I got back in my car. I felt 10 all over again, picturing my grandma standing in the westward-facing front door saying "Look at the beautiful sunset" like she always did whenever she visited from East Liberty. My climbing tree was still there, an old ash, albeit minus a few branches, and . . . . ." - - - - - - - - - - Sounds like you were truely fortunate. It's not many who have such a memorable visit - able to touch a thread of times past. I would send him a card telling him such. Such a good kind man would appreciate your thoughts, in fact, I would just print a copy of your original email and enclose it. That pretty much says it all. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

Hi Donna, I didn't remember any Victoria Drive so I looked on Yahoo maps. It is about three or four miles from where we lived, actually kinda near our route to church (we belonged to Elfinwild Presbyterian on Mount Royal Boulevard in Glenshaw). I'm sorry, but I didn't know any Costellos. I saw some live newscast Saturday on one of the Pittsburgh websites about some people getting stranded in Glenshaw when they went to pick up their grandson from Elfinwild's daycare, and that just astounded me. I guess I always remembered it to be on a hill. I lived on Cavey Crest Circle, which is right at the top of School Drive before the middle school. You got there by going up Wildwood Road from Route 8. We were at the end of the cul de sac, an ideal place for kids. My friend Mary and I used to disappear for the entire day, playing in the woods behind my house. Our moms wouldn't see us from breakfast until dinner, something one wouldn't dare to allow kids to do these days! I finally had the chance to return in 2003, and I went to my old house and parked on the street. I got out to look around and a man came out of 'my' house and asked if he could help me. I told him I had lived there in the 60's and 70's, and wondered if I could walk around the yard. He insisted on giving me a tour, including inside the house, and told me to take all the pictures I wished. I was so touched I bawled as soon as I got back in my car. I felt 10 all over again, picturing my grandma standing in the westward-facing front door saying "Look at the beautiful sunset" like she always did whenever she visited from East Liberty. My climbing tree was still there, an old ash, albeit minus a few branches, and I finally fessed up and told how I put a bunch of rocks down that pipe on the side of the house when I was six and caused sewer problems. This guy didn't know me at all, I could have been a psychopath, but he welcomed me in and let me trail my hands along the hallway wall and pretended to be interested when I told him about my dad and how he used to snake a hand into the bathroom when I was in the tub, turn off the lightswitch, and eerily intone "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men... the SHADOW KNOWS......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" making me scream with shivery delight. Sorry to get carried away! Good memories. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Flood > Bobbi > Did you live anywhere Victoria Dr. in Allison Park My uncle has lived there > since about 1950 maybe you know the family his name is Jack Costello > > > Donna

Bobbi Did you live anywhere Victoria Dr. in Allison Park My uncle has lived there since about 1950 maybe you know the family his name is Jack Costello Donna

Duh me, lol. I have that link bookmarked but it never occurred to me to use it to see who was still there. I still recognize one family, their daughter was my babysitter. I will have to drop them a line. Wow, what a blast from the past. Thanks for the wakeup slap! Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Flood > --=======57197A30======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1B1478DE; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Bobbi, > > Your mother and father lived in a nice high and dry spot. Unfortunately > now it is just high and dry. > > You could go to the Allegheny County real estate assessment page at > http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/Search.asp to see if any of > your old neighbors still live in the old neighborhood. > > Wet-Dry vacuums and 3 fans work wonders! > > Al

--=======57197A30======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1B1478DE; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bobbi, Your mother and father lived in a nice high and dry spot. Unfortunately now it is just high and dry. You could go to the Allegheny County real estate assessment page at http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/Search.asp to see if any of your old neighbors still live in the old neighborhood. Wet-Dry vacuums and 3 fans work wonders! Al At 08:29 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote: >Thanks for the info Al, it is all very interesting. My dad remembers the >flood of 36; he was 9 that year and lived on Dearborn Street, Mom was on >Winebiddle. > >When I was a child we lived in Hampton Township, Allison Park. Dad was >completely amazed when I described the Shaler reports to him; he said he >never in all his years in the burbs imagined flooding was a possibility. We >were way up on top of a hill though, near the Hampton Middle School. I wish >I still knew people there to see how that area fared. > >I hope your cellar dries out soon! > >Bobbi --=======57197A30======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1B1478DE Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======57197A30=======--

Thanks for the info Al, it is all very interesting. My dad remembers the flood of 36; he was 9 that year and lived on Dearborn Street, Mom was on Winebiddle. When I was a child we lived in Hampton Township, Allison Park. Dad was completely amazed when I described the Shaler reports to him; he said he never in all his years in the burbs imagined flooding was a possibility. We were way up on top of a hill though, near the Hampton Middle School. I wish I still knew people there to see how that area fared. I hope your cellar dries out soon! Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Pittsburgh Flood > --=======332F31BD======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Bobbi et al, > > The official downpour was around 4 inches on Friday, measured at Pittsburgh > International Airport. However, at the Carnegie Science Center, located > almost underneath the north end of the West End Bridge, the last figure > that I heard near midnight was exactly 8 inches. > > I live on one of the highest spots in Pittsburgh yet I had a flooded > cellar. I suspect, though, that the culprit wasn't so much the weather as > a neighbor's downspout. I think that it's broken. > > Luckily there was only one fatality to all of the flooding although the > police chief of Carnegie and 21 other poor souls thought they would be on > the list. They were trapped in the middle of the Mansfield Bridge over > Chartiers Creek. The Carnegie Vollies along with a National Guard unit > brought some boats to the scene. It appears from the article in the Trib > that only one of the boats was use for rescue. Evidently the creek was > really running fast. It took 45 minutes to rescue several people and > deposit them at a nearby Catholic Church were they went to the second floor > to wait out the flooding. The article didn't mention whether or not the > waters were that high; the article just mentioned that the church was the > closest place for shelter. Any place else would have taken too long and > others stranded on the bridge might have perished. The civilians were > rescue first and then the police officers trapped were next, leaving by > rank. The police chief was last. Although he had plenty of TV exposure > for his role in the incident, I think that he would have been glad to have > missed this opportunity. > > Pittsburgh has had a lot of flooding over the years. The flood height for > this storm was in 8th place in recorded history, starting with the St > Patrick Day's flood in 1936. What was unusual was that the flooding > occurred over such a wide-spread area. Tarentum was underwater. The > Blarney Stone in Etna was almost completely buried, not from the waters of > the Allegheny but some creek that flows through Etna. Carnegie was flooded > but so were all the communities from Bridgeville to Carnegie. It was > reported that Wright's Seafood Inn in Heidelberg was under water. Wright's > is a well-known seafood restaurant, probably one of the oldest restaurants > in the Pittsburgh area. > > Al

--=======6018343E======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Correction. I noticed a mistake after I hit the SEND button. It was the Crafton Vollies, not the Carnegie Vollies, who were instrumental in rescuing those trapped on the Mansfield Bridge and I neglected to credit the US Coast Guard which doesn't normally patrol Chartiers Creek. Al At 02:35 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote: >--=======332F31BD======= >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A; charset=us-ascii; >format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Bobbi et al, > >The official downpour was around 4 inches on Friday, measured at Pittsburgh >International Airport. However, at the Carnegie Science Center, located >almost underneath the north end of the West End Bridge, the last figure >that I heard near midnight was exactly 8 inches. > >I live on one of the highest spots in Pittsburgh yet I had a flooded >cellar. I suspect, though, that the culprit wasn't so much the weather as >a neighbor's downspout. I think that it's broken. > >Luckily there was only one fatality to all of the flooding although the >police chief of Carnegie and 21 other poor souls thought they would be on >the list. They were trapped in the middle of the Mansfield Bridge over >Chartiers Creek. The Carnegie Vollies along with a National Guard unit >brought some boats to the scene. It appears from the article in the Trib >that only one of the boats was use for rescue. Evidently the creek was >really running fast. It took 45 minutes to rescue several people and >deposit them at a nearby Catholic Church were they went to the second floor >to wait out the flooding. The article didn't mention whether or not the >waters were that high; the article just mentioned that the church was the >closest place for shelter. Any place else would have taken too long and >others stranded on the bridge might have perished. The civilians were >rescue first and then the police officers trapped were next, leaving by >rank. The police chief was last. Although he had plenty of TV exposure >for his role in the incident, I think that he would have been glad to have >missed this opportunity. > >Pittsburgh has had a lot of flooding over the years. The flood height for >this storm was in 8th place in recorded history, starting with the St >Patrick Day's flood in 1936. What was unusual was that the flooding >occurred over such a wide-spread area. Tarentum was underwater. The >Blarney Stone in Etna was almost completely buried, not from the waters of >the Allegheny but some creek that flows through Etna. Carnegie was flooded >but so were all the communities from Bridgeville to Carnegie. It was >reported that Wright's Seafood Inn in Heidelberg was under water. Wright's >is a well-known seafood restaurant, probably one of the oldest restaurants >in the Pittsburgh area. > >Al > > >At 09:32 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: > > >Someone on the Butler County list asked about flood damage, and it > >occurred to me that a lot of people on the Pittsburgh list don't live > >there and have no idea how extensive the flooding really was. I thought > >I'd fix that. > > > >On WTAE channel 4 and WPXI channel 11 websites, there are links for viewer > >photos of the flood. > > > >http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html?subid=2100083 > > > >http://www.wpxi.com/index.html > > > >The Trib-Review also has a lot of photos: > >http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/ > >Click on the "Ivan's aftermath" photo at the top of the page, and the > >page it takes you to will have a link on the right for more photos. > >--=======332F31BD======= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; >x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > >--=======332F31BD=======-- > > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======6018343E======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======6018343E=======--

--=======332F31BD======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bobbi et al, The official downpour was around 4 inches on Friday, measured at Pittsburgh International Airport. However, at the Carnegie Science Center, located almost underneath the north end of the West End Bridge, the last figure that I heard near midnight was exactly 8 inches. I live on one of the highest spots in Pittsburgh yet I had a flooded cellar. I suspect, though, that the culprit wasn't so much the weather as a neighbor's downspout. I think that it's broken. Luckily there was only one fatality to all of the flooding although the police chief of Carnegie and 21 other poor souls thought they would be on the list. They were trapped in the middle of the Mansfield Bridge over Chartiers Creek. The Carnegie Vollies along with a National Guard unit brought some boats to the scene. It appears from the article in the Trib that only one of the boats was use for rescue. Evidently the creek was really running fast. It took 45 minutes to rescue several people and deposit them at a nearby Catholic Church were they went to the second floor to wait out the flooding. The article didn't mention whether or not the waters were that high; the article just mentioned that the church was the closest place for shelter. Any place else would have taken too long and others stranded on the bridge might have perished. The civilians were rescue first and then the police officers trapped were next, leaving by rank. The police chief was last. Although he had plenty of TV exposure for his role in the incident, I think that he would have been glad to have missed this opportunity. Pittsburgh has had a lot of flooding over the years. The flood height for this storm was in 8th place in recorded history, starting with the St Patrick Day's flood in 1936. What was unusual was that the flooding occurred over such a wide-spread area. Tarentum was underwater. The Blarney Stone in Etna was almost completely buried, not from the waters of the Allegheny but some creek that flows through Etna. Carnegie was flooded but so were all the communities from Bridgeville to Carnegie. It was reported that Wright's Seafood Inn in Heidelberg was under water. Wright's is a well-known seafood restaurant, probably one of the oldest restaurants in the Pittsburgh area. Al At 09:32 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: >Someone on the Butler County list asked about flood damage, and it >occurred to me that a lot of people on the Pittsburgh list don't live >there and have no idea how extensive the flooding really was. I thought >I'd fix that. > >On WTAE channel 4 and WPXI channel 11 websites, there are links for viewer >photos of the flood. > >http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html?subid=2100083 > >http://www.wpxi.com/index.html > >The Trib-Review also has a lot of photos: >http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/ >Click on the "Ivan's aftermath" photo at the top of the page, and the >page it takes you to will have a link on the right for more photos. --=======332F31BD======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B153D6A Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --=======332F31BD=======--