Kids, That map is in Killikelly's History of Pittsburgh. Mac [email protected] wrote: > Al, > > I didn't do the overlay, it was a printed map. I wish I could remember where > it was from, but Hillman Library sticks in my head. It does make sense that > all the downtown buildings have many layers of basement. A tall tower needs a > big base. The Steel Building must go deep. The Point is considerably bigger, > it was a garbage dump 100 years ago. I remember when they were excavating > for the Fort and dug into. The stench was terrible. The part where the > fountain is is all landfill. > > Are there tunnels connecting the building in downtown? I have been in the > basements under the Schenley Apartments and the Schenley Hotel, also the > Cathedral of Learning. It is a maze. > > Maybe you know if this is true, I have been told that some (most) of > Pittsburgh's drinking water comes from the underground river. I had heard that the > Southside doesn't get there water from there, but from the Mon. > > Rosanne > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Al, I didn't do the overlay, it was a printed map. I wish I could remember where it was from, but Hillman Library sticks in my head. It does make sense that all the downtown buildings have many layers of basement. A tall tower needs a big base. The Steel Building must go deep. The Point is considerably bigger, it was a garbage dump 100 years ago. I remember when they were excavating for the Fort and dug into. The stench was terrible. The part where the fountain is is all landfill. Are there tunnels connecting the building in downtown? I have been in the basements under the Schenley Apartments and the Schenley Hotel, also the Cathedral of Learning. It is a maze. Maybe you know if this is true, I have been told that some (most) of Pittsburgh's drinking water comes from the underground river. I had heard that the Southside doesn't get there water from there, but from the Mon. Rosanne

Clare - Ft. Necessity is about 10 miles east of Uniontown, PA (Fayette County) - so about 50 miles south of Pittsburgh. It was the site of the battle that set off the French and Indian War. It has been rebuilt and is run by the US Park Service. It's very near Nemacolin Woodlands, site of the 84 Lumber Golf Tourney that was on TV this past weekend. Ft.Ligonier sits about 50 miles east of Pittsburgh along Rt. 30. - about 2 blocks from the square in the tiny town of Ligonier (Westmoreland County). It too has been rebuilt and there is a museum. Ft. Duquesne, and subsequently Ft. Pitt, sat at the Point in Pittsburgh. The blockhouse and the outline of the fort are there in a very nice park...well - not so nice right now, since it flooded last week from Ivan. Al's right on the button as usual about the original fort being long gone. Hope this helps you with distances and placements. Kelly > Al, > > So are you are saying that the Point was Ft. > Duquesne; then Fort > > Necessity, then Fort Pitt? snipped.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

--=======5A5747C7======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F9A3BDC; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Roseanne, When comparing maps, it helps if you can align the streets as the banks of the rivers change from time to time. The Point is much larger now than it was even 100 years ago. I didn't have anything to do with Hogg so I can't say one way or the other. Kaufmann's isn't the only one with several basements. All of the large buildings go 3 and 4 floors underground and there may be a 5 somewhere. I've been in a lot of the basements and they are rat mazes. And it's not confined to just downtown. You can get lost in Allegheny General on the first floor; the basements are worse. And Pitt's Schenley Quadrangle, the old Schenley Apts, is a real maze. We had an inspection of the basements on the old apts once and it was two hours before we saw daylight again. The water in Kaufmann's lower basement may be part of Pgh's fourth river, the underground river, or caused by it. As I understand it, a lot of the buildings downtown have steam heat which they get from that outfit, name forgetten, in the Strip and it supposedly gets its water from the underground river. No pollution to clean up and free, once the drilling is done, making it an ideal resource. Al At 02:29 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: >Al, > >Some where I saw a map with old Pittsburgh overlayed with Modern Pittsburgh. >I figured out what was at that location and it was Kaufmanns. It was Hogg's >Pond. Did it belong to Mr. Hogg? Also large island off Mon side of >downtown. Does anyone know why it disappeared? > >A branch of my family all worked for Kaufmanns and told me about water in the >lowest basement of the building (there are 4 basements). Seems nature >doesn't want to give up on the pond. > >Rosanne --=======5A5747C7======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F9A3BDC Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======5A5747C7=======--

Al, Some where I saw a map with old Pittsburgh overlayed with Modern Pittsburgh. I figured out what was at that location and it was Kaufmanns. It was Hogg's Pond. Did it belong to Mr. Hogg? Also large island off Mon side of downtown. Does anyone know why it disappeared? A branch of my family all worked for Kaufmanns and told me about water in the lowest basement of the building (there are 4 basements). Seems nature doesn't want to give up on the pond. Rosanne

http://terraserver.microsoft.com is a satellite imagery site where one can type in the name of the town or insert Long/Lat to view area's from space. The quality is fairly good and one can zoom in to see houses, property lines, graveyards, sectional lines from early homestead's, churches, old building foundations and a host of other interesting genealogical stuff. Some early homesteads have Family cemeteries located at one of the 4 corners of the property. The scan's are a few years old - don't know when they'll be updated. Tom Lassek Eufaula Alabama

Clare The area south of the Ohio River and west of the Monongehela River through West Virginia and parts of eastern Ohio were originally part of Augusta County, VA. There is a three volume book of records for Augusta County, VA in print the author of which was Shakley, or something similar. At one time the contents of the book were being put on line. A Google search for "Augusta County VA Records" should turn them up, IF, they are still there. Carnegie Library should have a copy. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > Al, > So are you are saying that the Point was Ft. Duquesne; then Fort > Necessity, then Fort Pitt? Was the VA line prior to the Rev. War, just > south of the Point? If that is so, was the southern part of Washington > Co. and Allegheny Co. in VA at that time? > > Clare in Fla. > (Jeanne is on us now. I'm in Clearwater in the Tampa Bay Area.) > ================ > > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:11:56 -0400 Al Lenkner <[email protected]> > writes: > > --=======6ACA3A63======= > > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D246445; > > charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > Clare, > > > > Both were on the Point. If I recall my history correctly, the > > French built > > Ft Duquesne around the time of the French-Indian War which is called > > an > > entirely different thing in Europe but I forget which, 7 Year War is > > > > possible. After Braddock got his butt kicked and Washington built > > and > > holed up in Fort Necessity for a while, the English finally took > > over the > > French Fort. I believe that it was General Forbes who led the > > winning > > expedition. But that was even before Mac's time! > > > > Al > > > > > > At 03:11 PM 9/25/2004, you wrote: > > > > >Al, > > >Thanks for replying. I recall years ago that I saw a map showing > > >Virginia claimed the land right up to Pittsburgh. Everything that > > I have > > >read says that Ft. Pitt was in PA and I seem to recall that is on > > the > > >point in Pittsburgh - or was Ft. Duquesne on the Point? > > > > > >Clare in Fla. > > > > --=======6ACA3A63======= > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; > > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D246445 > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 > > > > --=======6ACA3A63=======-- > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

--=======39E77A1B======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-45A33301; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rosanne, How did you find out where the pond was located? As I recall, maybe incorrectly, it was named Hogg's Pond. Al At 03:10 PM 9/26/2004, you wrote: >The only part of Fort Pitt still standing is the Block House. The fort was >only made of logs (like you see in Westerns). They excavated the point and >found the outline of the fort and layed down bricks. The fort hasn't >stood in >probably 200 years. > >At one time the Block House was the home of Mayor David Lawrence. The Lorant >book about Pittsburgh has a picture of it and you wouldn't recognize it. At >one time the Point was completely covered with houses and businesses, not the >park it is today. Lawrence lived on South Atlantic and was a member of St. >Lawrence O'Toole, but he always attended St. Mary's at the Point (his >parish as >a child). When I was a kid, I would check the bulletin every week and >Lawrence had donated $5.00 to St. Lawrence (a big donation at the time). > >Fort Necessity is somewhere near Latrobe, not in Pittsburgh. They have a >recreation of the fort there. It only lasted a few months. Put up >quickly for >defense. > >Yes, Al I had heard about Mac being at the dedication of the block house. >Mac, did you swim in the pond where Kaufmanns is now? > >Rosanne > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] >that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======39E77A1B======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-45A33301 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======39E77A1B=======--

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There were two ponds there, Hoggs Pond, the largest stretched up to Grants Hill and a smaller one between Wood and Smithfield. Lenkner was the lifeguard at Hoggs Pond. BTW, I found the drawing Al made for my 2nd grade project. I stand corrected, (his handwriting was/is so poor) the fort I was referring to was Fort Fayette just down river from Hand Street (now 9th Street). Fort Pitt and Fort Duquesne were the same and at the point, just different owners. [email protected] wrote: > The only part of Fort Pitt still standing is the Block House. The fort was > only made of logs (like you see in Westerns). They excavated the point and > found the outline of the fort and layed down bricks. The fort hasn't stood in > probably 200 years. > > At one time the Block House was the home of Mayor David Lawrence. The Lorant > book about Pittsburgh has a picture of it and you wouldn't recognize it. At > one time the Point was completely covered with houses and businesses, not the > park it is today. Lawrence lived on South Atlantic and was a member of St. > Lawrence O'Toole, but he always attended St. Mary's at the Point (his parish as > a child). When I was a kid, I would check the bulletin every week and > Lawrence had donated $5.00 to St. Lawrence (a big donation at the time). > > Fort Necessity is somewhere near Latrobe, not in Pittsburgh. They have a > recreation of the fort there. It only lasted a few months. Put up quickly for > defense. > > Yes, Al I had heard about Mac being at the dedication of the block house. > Mac, did you swim in the pond where Kaufmanns is now? > > Rosanne > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

The only part of Fort Pitt still standing is the Block House. The fort was only made of logs (like you see in Westerns). They excavated the point and found the outline of the fort and layed down bricks. The fort hasn't stood in probably 200 years. At one time the Block House was the home of Mayor David Lawrence. The Lorant book about Pittsburgh has a picture of it and you wouldn't recognize it. At one time the Point was completely covered with houses and businesses, not the park it is today. Lawrence lived on South Atlantic and was a member of St. Lawrence O'Toole, but he always attended St. Mary's at the Point (his parish as a child). When I was a kid, I would check the bulletin every week and Lawrence had donated $5.00 to St. Lawrence (a big donation at the time). Fort Necessity is somewhere near Latrobe, not in Pittsburgh. They have a recreation of the fort there. It only lasted a few months. Put up quickly for defense. Yes, Al I had heard about Mac being at the dedication of the block house. Mac, did you swim in the pond where Kaufmanns is now? Rosanne

--=======36701BAB======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bobbi, Thanks for the info...... and so quick! I expected an answer from Mac as one of his earliest jobs was with Mason before he teamed up with Dizon. Al At 12:46 PM 9/26/2004, you wrote: >The following is from a Monongalia County website I found when I googled, >hope it helps. > >Bobbi > >Monongalia County was one of three counties created by an act of the >Virginia General Assembly in October 1776 from the District of West Augusta >(Virginia). The others were Ohio and Yohogania counties. Monongalia County >was named in honor of the Monongahela River, named by the Algonquin >(Delaware) Indians. The river's name means "river of crumbling banks" or >"high banks fall down." When the bill creating the county was being prepared >the spelling was changed to Monongalia. It is not known if the spelling was >changed on purpose or was an error. >Monongalia County is known as the mother county for northern West Virginia >because many other counties were created from its original territory. The >precise number is difficult to determine because the original county's >boundaries fell along watersheds which shifted over time. However, at least >thirteen West Virginia counties were created in whole, and perhaps as many >as eighteen West Virginia counties were created either in whole or in part, >from Monongalia County. > >Moreover, parts of Greene, Fayette and Washington counties in Pennsylvania >also were created from the county. The Pennsylvania counties were carved >from Monongalia County when the Mason-Dixon line was accepted as defining >the borders of Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. That approval process >began in 1779, and was officially agreed to by the three states in 1784. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:35 AM >Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > > > > --=======5794D70======= > > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E; charset=us-ascii; >format=flowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > Clare, > > > > You're putting me on the spot. There was an article in one of the Sunday > > papers a couple of weeks ago which is where my misconceptions were > > cleared. I probably saved it but haven't scanned it into my computer. > > > > IIRC, all of what we know today as West Virgina, Washington County and > > everything south of the Mon and Ohio Rivers was in one big county of > > Virginia. It had an odd name. West Virginia, which many if not most > > people don't know, was not a state until sometime during the Civil > > War. That area was pro-north. Whether they seceded from VA solely >because > > of their sympathies, I don't know. > > > > Perhaps we have a lister who is more into that area than I. My ancestors > > didn't show up until 1835 in Union Twp. If I can find that article, I'll > > scan it and let the list know in the event that anyone wanted a copy. > > > > Al > > >==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== >If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======36701BAB======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======36701BAB=======--

--=======5794D70======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Clare, You're putting me on the spot. There was an article in one of the Sunday papers a couple of weeks ago which is where my misconceptions were cleared. I probably saved it but haven't scanned it into my computer. IIRC, all of what we know today as West Virgina, Washington County and everything south of the Mon and Ohio Rivers was in one big county of Virginia. It had an odd name. West Virginia, which many if not most people don't know, was not a state until sometime during the Civil War. That area was pro-north. Whether they seceded from VA solely because of their sympathies, I don't know. Perhaps we have a lister who is more into that area than I. My ancestors didn't show up until 1835 in Union Twp. If I can find that article, I'll scan it and let the list know in the event that anyone wanted a copy. Al At 09:29 AM 9/26/2004, you wrote: >Al, >So are you are saying that the Point was Ft. Duquesne; then Fort >Necessity, then Fort Pitt? Was the VA line prior to the Rev. War, just >south of the Point? If that is so, was the southern part of Washington >Co. and Allegheny Co. in VA at that time? > >Clare in Fla. >(Jeanne is on us now. I'm in Clearwater in the Tampa Bay Area.) >================ --=======5794D70======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======5794D70=======--

Thank you Roseanne for that explanation. All I remember was a visit to the Point in the late 30's where there was a block building. It must have been the Block House. I was disappointed that I couldn't go inside. Carol S. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] Fort Pitt > The only part of Fort Pitt still standing is the Block House. The fort was > only made of logs (like you see in Westerns). They excavated the point and > found the outline of the fort and layed down bricks. The fort hasn't stood in > probably 200 years. > > At one time the Block House was the home of Mayor David Lawrence. The Lorant > book about Pittsburgh has a picture of it and you wouldn't recognize it. At > one time the Point was completely covered with houses and businesses, not the > park it is today. Lawrence lived on South Atlantic and was a member of St. > Lawrence O'Toole, but he always attended St. Mary's at the Point (his parish as > a child). When I was a kid, I would check the bulletin every week and > Lawrence had donated $5.00 to St. Lawrence (a big donation at the time). > > Fort Necessity is somewhere near Latrobe, not in Pittsburgh. They have a > recreation of the fort there. It only lasted a few months. Put up quickly for > defense. > > Yes, Al I had heard about Mac being at the dedication of the block house. > Mac, did you swim in the pond where Kaufmanns is now? > > Rosanne > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe. Send a message to:[email protected] that contains ONLY the word, 'unsubscribe' in the text area. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

--=======7384B84======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mac, I tease you all the time about your age but you just described the location of Ft Duquesne........... information that I've never seen in an book or magazine, indicating that you were there.............. Al At 01:59 AM 9/26/2004, you wrote: >I think that Al showed me when I was a little tot that Ft Duquesne was up >about 9th street on the Allegheny river side. Al, check that map you drew >me for my second grade project. Mac > >Al Lenkner wrote: > >>--=======6ACA3A63======= >>Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D246445; >>charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Clare, >>Both were on the Point. If I recall my history correctly, the French >>built Ft Duquesne around the time of the French-Indian War which is >>called an entirely different thing in Europe but I forget which, 7 Year >>War is possible. After Braddock got his butt kicked and Washington built >>and holed up in Fort Necessity for a while, the English finally took over >>the French Fort. I believe that it was General Forbes who led the >>winning expedition. But that was even before Mac's time! >>Al --=======7384B84======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/2004 --=======7384B84=======--

Ha ha. Just in the right place at the right time today. It's gotta happen to us all, sometime. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > Bobbi, > > Thanks for the info...... and so quick! I expected an answer from Mac as > one of his earliest jobs was with Mason before he teamed up with Dizon. > > Al

Jerry: My email address is: [email protected] Thanks, Wally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Dittman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > My ISP rejected the message, containing the maps, which were addressed to: > [email protected] > wallacelowe > as not being a valid addresses. > > If you wish the maps please send me a valid address. > > Jerry Dittman > Boonsboro, MD > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >

The following is from a Monongalia County website I found when I googled, hope it helps. Bobbi Monongalia County was one of three counties created by an act of the Virginia General Assembly in October 1776 from the District of West Augusta (Virginia). The others were Ohio and Yohogania counties. Monongalia County was named in honor of the Monongahela River, named by the Algonquin (Delaware) Indians. The river's name means "river of crumbling banks" or "high banks fall down." When the bill creating the county was being prepared the spelling was changed to Monongalia. It is not known if the spelling was changed on purpose or was an error. Monongalia County is known as the mother county for northern West Virginia because many other counties were created from its original territory. The precise number is difficult to determine because the original county's boundaries fell along watersheds which shifted over time. However, at least thirteen West Virginia counties were created in whole, and perhaps as many as eighteen West Virginia counties were created either in whole or in part, from Monongalia County. Moreover, parts of Greene, Fayette and Washington counties in Pennsylvania also were created from the county. The Pennsylvania counties were carved from Monongalia County when the Mason-Dixon line was accepted as defining the borders of Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. That approval process began in 1779, and was officially agreed to by the three states in 1784. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > --=======5794D70======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BD987E; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Clare, > > You're putting me on the spot. There was an article in one of the Sunday > papers a couple of weeks ago which is where my misconceptions were > cleared. I probably saved it but haven't scanned it into my computer. > > IIRC, all of what we know today as West Virgina, Washington County and > everything south of the Mon and Ohio Rivers was in one big county of > Virginia. It had an odd name. West Virginia, which many if not most > people don't know, was not a state until sometime during the Civil > War. That area was pro-north. Whether they seceded from VA solely because > of their sympathies, I don't know. > > Perhaps we have a lister who is more into that area than I. My ancestors > didn't show up until 1835 in Union Twp. If I can find that article, I'll > scan it and let the list know in the event that anyone wanted a copy. > > Al

What do you mean by "outline" of the two forts? Isn't Fort Pitt still standing? Carol S. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [PITTSBURGH] VA and PA line > Al is completely right about the forts. If you visit the Point (when it > isn't under water) they have the outline of the two forts. Not on top of each > other, Fort Duquesne was smaller. The Block House was part of Fort Pitt. > > Rosanne > > > ==== PA-PITTSBURGH Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the listowner, send an email to Sue* at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

My ISP rejected the message, containing the maps, which were addressed to: [email protected] wallacelowe as not being a valid addresses. If you wish the maps please send me a valid address. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD