There is a Sebring, OH near-by to Lisbon, which is the Columbiana County seat. Salem OH has a library with info in it, I'm told. I was in the area, but did NOT get there this time. Hope this helps you though!! Cathy Raber, fromer Columbiaan Co resident > [Original Message] > From: Dee Stover <bellas_gma@yahoo.com> > To: <PA-PITTSBURGH@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/5/2007 10:54:00 PM > Subject: [PA-PITTSBURGH] Fwd: I'm new to the genealogy "addiction" also > > > > My name is Dee Stover and I live in Durham, NC. My 92 year old mom recently moved here to be with me and I am picking her brain and helping her to remember things. She knows very little about her family background and I believe it is so good for her to find little nuggets of information! It is good for me. Her parents were both from Allegheny City, PA. (north Pittsburgh) Married in 1910, they were Edward August Roehler and Elma Anna Inderbitzen. Edward's father, Otto, married Anna Kartlick in 1888 in Allegheny City (AKA Troy Hill or Mount Troy). He was in the dry goods business with his father-in-law, August Kartlick at 26 Penn Avenue, Pittsburgh. Anna died after her 3rd son was born, and on April 12, 1900, Otto shot himself. Sometime in that year the 3 boys were sent to live with their maternal grandparents, August and Caroline Kartlick who had moved to East Palestine, Ohio. Nothing is known about the boys until my grandfather came back to Pitt to claim his > small inheritance in 1910. There is a "mystery woman" involved in my mom's story which I hope to figure out eventually. At a 1952 family reunion in Pitt my mom recalls my grandfather getting very excited about an old woman who had come all the way from Sebring FL to be there. My mom thinks that she was a Sebring, but my gfather had never mentioned her before or after. My gfather (Gig) bought a farm in Beaver County and my mom was born there. There are Sebrings everywhere in PA and OH but especially in and around Allegheny, Beaver, Mahoning and Columbiana counties. I don't know if she was a part of the pottery "clan" and maybe the boys got to know her in Ohio. Or if she was in Beaver County during the 4 years they were there. I am so confused and she isn't even a part of my family tree!! I just can't make a connection between the families. It occured to me that since Gig's gfather, August Kartlick and his father, were in the dry goods business, maybe it had > originally been a business connection since I am sure that they sold some sort of pottery or china. > Since I really don't have a clue what I am doing, I really will appreciate any input! Thanks so much! > Dee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hickory Crime of Seventy Years Ago The peaceful and law-abiding school and residence town of Hickory was once the abode of a man and woman who, 70 years ago, committed a double murder in many particulars closely resembling the GRAY-SNYDER case, and even more gruesome, according to William G. LYTLE, in the Pittsburgh Press of Sunday, May 28. It was in Hickory that Henry FIFE met Charlotte JONES and fell in love with her, with the result that Charlotte's uncle and aunt were heartlessly murdered for money by the scheming pair. A verse that Henry was overheard singing in his cell is well known by many of the older people of the Hickory section: "In Montreal where I was born, I brought my friends to shame and scorn; At Hickory town I took a wife; I loved her as I loved my life; And to support her fine and gay, I took to murdering on the highway; I murdered WILSON, I do declare, And Elizabeth MCMASTERS with her silver hair." George WILSON, an aged man, with his sister, Elizabeth MCMASTERS, were living in a log cabin two miles from McKeesport, across the Youghiogheny. FIFE and Charlotte came there in the dead of night, knocked on the door, and to the question, "Who's there?" the girl answered, "It's me, Charlotte." When the door was opened FIFE rushed the old man and drove a dirk into his heart. Elizabeth MCMASTERS was in bed at one side of the cabin. She jumped out of bed, threw her arms around Charlotte and begged for mercy, but FIFE threw her to the floor, and after ineffectual efforts to choke and kick her to death finally dispatched her with a poker. The whiskey-drinking pair were immediately suspected and soon caught and both hanged, on February 12, 1858, in the yard of the Allegheny county jail. Charlotte was the first woman hanged in Allegheny county. Henry FIFE, who is remembered by W. H. MCPEAK of Hickory, as a genteel and pleasant man of neat appearance and small stature, was employed for a time as a shoemaker for Joseph LEECH, on the present site of the HUEY & MATHEWS store. Charlotte MILLS lived in an old house on the present site of the B. F. DINSMORE home. Mr. MCPEAK thinks it likely the pair of illicit lovers were in Hickory between the murder and their conviction, and he well remembers the efforts of youths about town to tear down Charlotte's former abode as a gesture of disgust and in an effort to rid the town of disreputable persons. The murderers tried to blame the crime on Monroe STEWART, another character well known in Hickory, and he was jailed. In a final confession, however, the lovers cleared him. STEWART had taken poison in a futile effort at suicide, but finally contracted smallpox. He was removed to a pest house, from which he escaped, and died in a clump of bushes up along the Monongahela river. Had he lived and behaved he would have been cleared. *I Googled both the FIFE/MILLS and the GRAY/SNYDER murders. Didn't find anything on FIFE/MILLS, but found that the GRAY/SNYDER murder was the basis for the movie "Double Indemnity."

OBSERVER & REPORTER 7 / 17 / 2007 Washington, Pa. Kay Morris Russian Orthodox "Old Believers" Church member Kay "Kayka" Morris, 85, of Marianna, beloved wife and mother, died Monday, July 16, 2007. She was born March 7, 1922, in Marianna, a daughter of Kuzma and Martha Boiaroff. Mrs. Morris graduated from West Bethlehem High School in 1941 and worked for a time in Detroit, Mich., as a parachute inspector. She returned to Marianna after her marriage to John G. Morris, who is deceased. Mrs. Morris was a lifelong member of St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox "Old Believers" Church of Marianna and had served as an officer in the ladies auxiliary. She was a wonderful housekeeper, an avid bingo and slot machine player and enjoyed gardening and yard work. Surviving are a daughter, Martha Burr of McMurray; three brothers, Michael Boiaroff of Washington, Wasil Boiaroff of Detroit and Harry Boiaroff of Marianna; three sisters, Katherine Peterson of Marianna, Nellie Niverth of Jefferson and Fedora Stoskel of Washington; as well as numerous nieces and nephews. Deceased are two sisters, Mary Klimushyn and Priscilla Early; and a son in-law, Ronald Burr. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Wednesday in Nichol Funeral Home, 1728 Main Street, Marianna. Services will be held at 9 a.m. Thursday, July 19, in St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox "Old Believer's" Church, Marianna. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox "Old Believer's" Church in Marianna. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I asked my mom, who is 92, but she doesn't remember ever seeing it and didn't recognize the names. Wish I could have helped. Dee Tomi Larson <tomil23@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello, Can anyone tell me about a Wood Street art gallery, owned by a Mr. Young? I would like to know where it was (as in if I went looking today where would it have been). My great grandfather and his brother, John P and Peter Geisler, apparently worked at the gallery before opening their own called Geisler Brothers. Thanks for any information. Tomi _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My name is Dee Stover and I live in Durham, NC. My 92 year old mom recently moved here to be with me and I am picking her brain and helping her to remember things. She knows very little about her family background and I believe it is so good for her to find little nuggets of information! It is good for me. Her parents were both from Allegheny City, PA. (north Pittsburgh) Married in 1910, they were Edward August Roehler and Elma Anna Inderbitzen. Edward's father, Otto, married Anna Kartlick in 1888 in Allegheny City (AKA Troy Hill or Mount Troy). He was in the dry goods business with his father-in-law, August Kartlick at 26 Penn Avenue, Pittsburgh. Anna died after her 3rd son was born, and on April 12, 1900, Otto shot himself. Sometime in that year the 3 boys were sent to live with their maternal grandparents, August and Caroline Kartlick who had moved to East Palestine, Ohio. Nothing is known about the boys until my grandfather came back to Pitt to claim his small inheritance in 1910. There is a "mystery woman" involved in my mom's story which I hope to figure out eventually. At a 1952 family reunion in Pitt my mom recalls my grandfather getting very excited about an old woman who had come all the way from Sebring FL to be there. My mom thinks that she was a Sebring, but my gfather had never mentioned her before or after. My gfather (Gig) bought a farm in Beaver County and my mom was born there. There are Sebrings everywhere in PA and OH but especially in and around Allegheny, Beaver, Mahoning and Columbiana counties. I don't know if she was a part of the pottery "clan" and maybe the boys got to know her in Ohio. Or if she was in Beaver County during the 4 years they were there. I am so confused and she isn't even a part of my family tree!! I just can't make a connection between the families. It occured to me that since Gig's gfather, August Kartlick and his father, were in the dry goods business, maybe it had originally been a business connection since I am sure that they sold some sort of pottery or china. Since I really don't have a clue what I am doing, I really will appreciate any input! Thanks so much! Dee

Hello, Can anyone tell me about a Wood Street art gallery, owned by a Mr. Young? I would like to know where it was (as in if I went looking today where would it have been). My great grandfather and his brother, John P and Peter Geisler, apparently worked at the gallery before opening their own called Geisler Brothers. Thanks for any information. Tomi _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com

Hi Joe in Texas............................. Well, my daughters live in Dennison, TX. and the fields and woods are filled with lightening bugs, I was just there last month, and Texas is a beautiful state in the area that they are.........I love it, but we try not to hit that area in July throughout August, tooooooooooo humid for me, I can't breath there, and I don't like feeling like I'm in a sauna all the time with my hair straggling down and my clothes feeling always so sticky..........................Yaaaaaaaaaaaak ! So guess I'll just have to settle for getting hit with the blast of the hot heat of a hair dryer for a few months............Yak ! My granddaughter is here from Ohio to go to school for a month to study for manger for a new auto dealership, and last Monday her first day after class and getting into the hot Jeep, she screamed........HOOOOOOOOOLY CRAP ! ! ! The steering wheel was so hot, we forgot to tell her to park facing east in the afternoon and under a tree and leave the windows down a few inches. So the Jeep was probably 200 degrees when those delicate hands hit the wheel...........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OUCH ! LOL We may be deprived of lighening bugs, baaaaaaaaaaaaaat we don't have skeatters, and can sit out in the evening....................La La La La La ! Lori ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Is anyone researching the family of James Taylor, blacksmith, b 1816 England, emigrated c 1859, last record 1880 at 309 Federal Street, Allegheny City?? TIA Mac

----- Original Message ----- From: "heather kraska" <kraskagen@comcast.net> To: "polish pa list" <POLISH-PA@rootsweb.com>; "pa washington list" <PAWASHIN@rootsweb.com>; "pa pittsburgh list" <PA-PITTSBURGH@rootsweb.com>; "pa greene list" <PAGREENE@rootsweb.com>; "pa fayette list" <PAFAYETT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: [PA-PITTSBURGH] favorites > Listers, > I need some help. My computer has crashed twice in about a month. The > second crash I lost all of my favorites. If anyone has some favorite > sites, could you please forward them to me. It is going to take me a long > time to rebuild my list. If you prefer, email me directly so as not to > bog down the list. > > Thank you in advance, > Heather Kraska > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To send the url of a favorite site, just go to that site, right click on the url at the top of the page and choose copy. Open an email to whomever you wish to send it to right click again and paste it into the body of the email.

All you have to do is create a document in some file and then cut and paste you're favorite sites to it and send the message as an attachment. > > From: "Beatrice M Jamison" <snow55bird@zoominternet.net> > Date: 2007/06/16 Sat PM 10:35:54 EDT > To: <PA-PITTSBURGH@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [PA-PITTSBURGH] help > > I just saw a post from Heather that she has lost her favorites due to a computer crash, I would like to help her but how do you sent a favorite site to her? > > Bea > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just saw a post from Heather that she has lost her favorites due to a computer crash, I would like to help her but how do you sent a favorite site to her? Bea

Listers, I need some help. My computer has crashed twice in about a month. The second crash I lost all of my favorites. If anyone has some favorite sites, could you please forward them to me. It is going to take me a long time to rebuild my list. If you prefer, email me directly so as not to bog down the list. Thank you in advance, Heather Kraska

Heather, Have been in your shoes. A few good ones (12/13) are listed at the Links Page of Washington PA Nostalgia. http://freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb.com/%7Eebgschol/links2.htm Hope this helps. Carol Mounts > Listers, > I need some help. My computer has crashed twice in about a month. The > second crash I lost all of my favorites. If anyone has some favorite > sites, could you please forward them to me. It is going to take me a long > time to rebuild my list. If you prefer, email me directly so as not to > bog down the list. > > Thank you in advance, > Heather Kraska

Al, I am the one that started all of this. I have gone through ward 35 and 36 and no BIBEYS or anything that even looked like it might be. I will try the different places and continue on with the Pittsburgh census, I am probably going to be blind as a bat by the time I get through it all. But I am also seeing if some of my other family members are listed anywhere in that census year. The reason that I feel that Pittsburgh and surrounding areas are the right places to be looking is the birth certificate of James BIBEY stating "place where born" Washington Pike" 1883. His parents John and Lois BIBEY were married in England 1871 and moved to the states that same year. He was a miner in England and later census showed he was still a miner. I have searched Mansfield, Lower St Clair, Robinson Township, and the two wards in Pittsburgh. I'm not giving up yet. Thank you for your observation. Alice ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dana & Ruth, I took a look at Plate 10 and got a bit of a surprise. I'm not sure why that's marked Union. Union Twp (you'll find the word "Union" is smaller type below the city border) was comprised of Banksville, Green Tree and Westwood which made it a kind of east to west Twp. I may be mistake but Union Twp was formed in the early 1860s. It had a different name but it was decided that the name was too large for such a small Twp. Union was formed from part of Chartiers which, in itself, was formed from Lower St Clair Twp. The Washington Turnpike is now called Greentree Rd (notice the different spelling of Greentree Rd vs Green Tree Boro). Ruth, you confused me because you referred to both Ward 35 AND 36. Dana, if you look at the map again, look at the Ward number of 36 and you'll see the street named Chesnut. That is Steuben St. Where the letter "C" is, there's a Y in the road. Steuben continues on with Chartiers starting and going west and UP on the map. Chartiers then continues through to Corliss St in Sheraden where it turns left. Eventually it ends near the Windgap Bridge near McKees Rocks. Temperanceville was founded in 1834 and must've really been isolated as it's kind of a stopping point to rest before heading in to Pittsburgh. There is a tavern at the bottom of Greentree Rd where it intersects with Woodville that has a jail cell in the cellar. It was used to house a prisoner on his or her way to the County Jail. With all this confusion, it looks like the Aston family lived at the bottom of Greentree Rd, between McKnight and Woodville. The ward boundaries or borders aren't distinct, maybe not even marked but, taking the two ward numbers and throwing in the Washington Pike, this is just about the only location that it could be and I'd be willing to put money on that. BTW, I don't gamble. Al At 12:52 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: Dana Spriggs <cgull1045@sbcglobal.net> >To: Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com>; GG1531@aol.com >Cc: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:36:53 AM >Subject: Re: [PAWASHIN] Fw: Washington Pike > > >This might be of some help. I went to the website for the 1876 >Atlas of Pittsburgh >(http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/76v01ind.html) and found on >Plate 10 a map showing what were then new Ward boundaries for the city. >You can use that website to enlarge the maps and you will find Ward >35 on the South Side of Pittsburgh on Plate 10. It appears it was >called "Union" Ward since each Ward has a name assigned to it - Ward >34 was West Pittsburgh, Ward 33 was Monongahela, and Ward 36 was >Temperanceville (interesting name). Loking into Ward 35 on the map >I find in faint writing Washington Turnpike - which can be located >coming outof the top of the "S" in Southside and running up between >the "U" and "N" in Union. It runs parralel to Coal Way. This may >be the location you were seeking. If I remember my geography of >Pittsburgh (and I know other will help) it appears that we're >talking about the vicinity of the current Steuben Street on the West End. > >Dana Spriggs >Mansfield, Texas > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com> >To: GG1531@aol.com >Cc: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:00:12 AM >Subject: [PAWASHIN] Fw: Washington Pike > > >In searching ancestry.com to assist you, I located a Lois Aston born >in England, who was wife of Willim Aston. The notation down the >margin of the page shows it as WASHINGTON PIKE and they were in the >36th ward of Pittsburgh, Alleghany Co. I am guessing that your >Bibey family lived in the 35th ward of Pittsburgh and the road was >most likely the old turnpike, currently Rt. 40, called by various >names, most commonly Cumberland Pike or in Wash. Co. I think was Old >Pike Rd. (?). > >Hope this helps you. >Ruth > > >Subject: [PAWASHIN] Washington Pike > > > > My Great Uncle James Henry BIBEY was born November 30 1882 to John > > and Lois > > (ASTON)BIBEY. He is listed #8 Where born, No. --- Washington Pike 35 > > Ward. > > If someone has knowledge of Washington Pike 35 ward 1880 census > > please let > > me know. I really need some good news. > > > > Alice > > California > > > > > > >**** >Please visit http://www.chartiers.com/pages-new/pawashin.html for >list information, particularly the bottom of the page. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PA-PITTSBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: >6/9/2007 10:46 AM

Ruth, This may be a bit off but I worked with a Jim Bisbey on the fire dept. He grew up in Mt. Washington but I don't know anything about his parents. Al At 12:35 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: >in 1920 census, I found John Bibey and wife LOUISE (altho ancestry had >it as Louis); (you had Lois, which is correct?). They were in >Carnegie, Allegh. Co., PA, ward 2 dist. 49; it states they >immigrated in 1871 and naturalized in 1879. >However doing a search in 1880 in PA. I cannot locate them. Is there >another way to mispell Bibey? Beeby? Beebey? >I did searches for Lois (no results) -- and for Louise/Louis b. 1851 >England and living in PA, Allegh. co. - did not find her. What was >her full name? possibly she is listed under something other than >Louise. > >In 1910 I found James H. Bibey with wife Carrie (Witchell) with his >inlaws (Samuel Witchell) in Carnegie - do you have this data? He was >listed as a ticket agent for the RR. >Ruth

in 1920 census, I found John Bibey and wife LOUISE (altho ancestry had it as Louis); (you had Lois, which is correct?). They were in Carnegie, Allegh. Co., PA, ward 2 dist. 49; it states they immigrated in 1871 and naturalized in 1879. However doing a search in 1880 in PA. I cannot locate them. Is there another way to mispell Bibey? Beeby? Beebey? I did searches for Lois (no results) -- and for Louise/Louis b. 1851 England and living in PA, Allegh. co. - did not find her. What was her full name? possibly she is listed under something other than Louise. In 1910 I found James H. Bibey with wife Carrie (Witchell) with his inlaws (Samuel Witchell) in Carnegie - do you have this data? He was listed as a ticket agent for the RR. Ruth

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Dana Spriggs <cgull1045@sbcglobal.net> To: Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com>; GG1531@aol.com Cc: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:36:53 AM Subject: Re: [PAWASHIN] Fw: Washington Pike This might be of some help. I went to the website for the 1876 Atlas of Pittsburgh (http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/76v01ind.html) and found on Plate 10 a map showing what were then new Ward boundaries for the city. You can use that website to enlarge the maps and you will find Ward 35 on the South Side of Pittsburgh on Plate 10. It appears it was called "Union" Ward since each Ward has a name assigned to it - Ward 34 was West Pittsburgh, Ward 33 was Monongahela, and Ward 36 was Temperanceville (interesting name). Loking into Ward 35 on the map I find in faint writing Washington Turnpike - which can be located coming outof the top of the "S" in Southside and running up between the "U" and "N" in Union. It runs parralel to Coal Way. This may be the location you were seeking. If I remember my geography of Pittsburgh (and I know other will help) it appears that we're talking about the vicinity of the current Steuben Street on the West End. Dana Spriggs Mansfield, Texas ----- Original Message ---- From: Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com> To: GG1531@aol.com Cc: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:00:12 AM Subject: [PAWASHIN] Fw: Washington Pike In searching ancestry.com to assist you, I located a Lois Aston born in England, who was wife of Willim Aston. The notation down the margin of the page shows it as WASHINGTON PIKE and they were in the 36th ward of Pittsburgh, Alleghany Co. I am guessing that your Bibey family lived in the 35th ward of Pittsburgh and the road was most likely the old turnpike, currently Rt. 40, called by various names, most commonly Cumberland Pike or in Wash. Co. I think was Old Pike Rd. (?). Hope this helps you. Ruth Subject: [PAWASHIN] Washington Pike > My Great Uncle James Henry BIBEY was born November 30 1882 to John > and Lois > (ASTON)BIBEY. He is listed #8 Where born, No. --- Washington Pike 35 > Ward. > If someone has knowledge of Washington Pike 35 ward 1880 census > please let > me know. I really need some good news. > > Alice > California > > > **** Please visit http://www.chartiers.com/pages-new/pawashin.html for list information, particularly the bottom of the page. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Great Uncle James Henry BIBEY was born November 30 1882 to John and Lois (ASTON)BIBEY. He is listed #8 Where born, No. --- Washington Pike 35 Ward. Could someone please tell me where I should look for this place? I have no idea if this is a township or town or if it is part of another town. I have been looking for John and Lois in the 1880 census as they came from England in 1871 after their marriage, but no luck. In going through the birth certificates that I have I noticed James's and couldn't remember following up. My thinking is if they were there in "82 then maybe they were there in 1880. He was a miner and have been looking in small mining areas. If someone has knowledge of Washington Pike 35 ward 1880 census please let me know. I really need some good news. Alice California ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.