Inquiry: Searching for Adam Andrew (possibly MacAndrew or possibly Andre) born in Chester County, PA - Feb. 12, 1760 - possibly Pikeland Twp. I have his descendents, but am searching for his parents names, his nationality and his siblings names. His wife was Catherine (unknown) and their first children were baptized in East Vincent Reformed Church starting in 1784. I have his Rev. War records. Ann Werling --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
The 1756 Chester Archives has no McAndrew/MacAndrew/McAndre/Andre/Andrews, etc included. ... and, the only Andrew folks included are; Andrew, John a single man in UpperDarby Andrew, Mary owned 50 acres in Pikeland...( she is either unmarried or a widow....married women did not own land in their own right). Can't find any wills either....sorry. Sandra " Inquiry: Searching for Adam Andrew (possibly MacAndrew or possibly Andre) born in Chester County, PA - Feb. 12, 1760 - possibly Pikeland Twp. I have his descendents, but am searching for his parents names, his nationality and his siblings names. His wife was Catherine (unknown) and their first children were baptized in East Vincent Reformed Church starting in 1784. I have his Rev. War records." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
I could find nothing under Andrew, but I saw your old post from a few years back suggesting Andree as an alternate. So far most of the names I've seen associated with St. Vincent Reformed have been German. From recent searches there on Rossiter and related lines I recall that there was also another related church from some kind fo split in the congregation and it may be worth looking at the other chruch also. I forget the specifics but someone here was looking extensively at St. Vincent records recently. One web search on Adam Andree turned up <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp?batch_number =C982701®ion=8&LDS=1&record_group=1> The list is international, but shows a number of German Andree families and other variations on that. It's not much help, but could offer some clues to name variations and roots of related German families or leads to related immigrants. The one I find interesting there is GOERG ADAM ANDREE, born 1753 - not a fit for yours, but it's a reminder of the German naming conventions where a Christian first name may be used for christening but the individual may not use that name for any other use than formal and may have been known as Adam Andree. So it's worth considering that Adam may not be his first name in Christening records. Andrea and Adreas seem to be other spelling variants not mentioned in your previous posting on this a few years ago where you suggested a Jacob Andrew may be the father. Here is a ship record that shows an Matthias Andreas that died on the voyage, possibly leaving a wife and children arriving. http://www.immigrantships.net/1700/friendship271016.html Ship Friendship, from Rotterdam, last from Cowes, Arrived Philadelphia, 16 October 1727. John Davis, Master "Many ships are only listed with men, yet many came with their wives, children, sister, etc, but these names were either not recorded or not saved. " It's too early for the birth of your Adam but could account for his father as a child on this voyage. It's worth looking for related surnames here that may appear in other records near your family, for example, if these families known to have been associated with St. Vincent: It's not much to go on, but when you're looking at a brick wall for years any new ways of looking at the problem can help. So let's see what we can find on Adam Andreas. This will reference below seems likely to be an Adam Andreas Myer, but it's one of the only references in wills I could find that comes close: MEYER, TABITHA. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Widow. January 9, 1771. July 21, 1785. T.171. Children: Adam Andreas, Ann Thatcher [Wife of Joseph Thatcher], Thomas. Exec, Guardians and Trustees: Brother John Drinker, Thomas Say. Wit: John Gill, Dennis McCrohen, Peter Thomson. I'd be inclined to think the Adam Andreas here is a Myer but perhaps Tabitha remarried. Looking back at the ship records of the Matthias Andreas I cited we find Christian Meyer and Johann Vincens Meyer. It's a long shot, but it's plausible scenario that Adam Andreas is a grandson of Matthias and that his mother remarried a Myer family that was close via ships pasage and settlement. Looking for for an Andreas finds what looks like one of the best leads yet: Church: MARRIAGE RECORD OF THE REFORMED CHURCH, FALKNER SWAMP, MONTGOMERY COUNTRY, PA. 1748-1800. Pennsylvania Archives, Second Series, Volume 8. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/1pa/paarchivesseries/series2/vol8/paar ch2-8toc.html> MARRIAGE RECORD OF THE REFORMED CHURCH FALKNER SWAMP, MONTGOMERY COUNTRY, PA. 1748-1800. [613] 1783, June 24, Ache, Cathrina, and Adam Andreas. Does that look like a good fit for your Adam and Catherine? The LDS IGI record for this suggests she was born 1762 (does <1762> mean its an estimated date?) but doesn't have any birth year associated for Adam. <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=1000 44601379&lds=1®ion=11®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=® ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly= > Hmm, somehow I suspect that link won't work. :^) A Google search on "Cathrina Ache" will get you there easily and also find the proper link for the marriage record in PA Archives. I hope that is of some help. I like a good mystery. Half the fun about the Internet for me is figuring out how to find the needles in the haystacks. As an aside, I haven't noticed IGI search results showing up in Google before, and it appears that at least some of the records are probably inadverently indexed in Google via some Google crawls of www.familysearch.org. That's probably good news, and doing custom Google searches with the domain name may help. I can't say I recall searches coming back with pages in familysearch.org at all before, really. I tend to find IGI results not terribly helpful as they typically are vague citations, at least when I've had them come up in Ancestry.com. I am pleased to see the results above point to an IGI search system I hadn't seen before: <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_ IGI.asp&clear_form=true> What looks very helpful about the IGI search tool here is: 1) the regional searching and optional pairing of spouse surnames 2) The search results are a quick way to find SOUNDEX alternate name spelling variants 3) Possible family clusters can be found if you look at results carefully by analyzing location and date ranges. I just wish it would allow searches by surname pairs only, and broader date ranges or a sort by date so it's easier to look for larger ranges and not only specific individuals. Most of the genealogical search systems I see don't allow a flexible pairing of names and locations beyond one surname. The major sites front end to many databases and it can be annoyingly hard to filter down to quality results quickly. One of the things I love about the WorldConnect Search <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> is the ability to pair surnames only, and/or names of places and date ranges. It's a great way to find other marriages between the same family, or possible siblings or parents who died or were born in the same county, state or time range. It's also notoriously bad for data often repeated many times because it's drawn from use submitted GEDCOM files. But let's try Cathrina there for more leads. Here's a possible sibling of Cathrina Ache: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=schwenk&id=I0852 87> # Name: Ludwig \ Lewis Ache # Sex: M # Birth: 27 MAR 1762 # Death: 11 DEC 1844 in Northampton Co, PA - buried Lower Saucon Ch Cem Marriage 1 Maria Brodt b: 25 SEP 1766 in Northampton Co, PA Click on the Descendants link to see a quick tree of surnames that marry into the family in the next generations: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=schwenk&id=I085 287> Compare that to known descendants of your Adam and Cathrine Andrew. If your family migrated look at some of the locations these people migrated to. Sometimes the same person may be listed many times and different researchers have different branches of the tree. Still, it's a great way to find leads. Few of the Worldconnect trees have much documentation, but sometimes you get lucky and find incredibly well researched, cited trees with extensive notes. Here's one of the well documented Ache lines there, with a Catherine born too late to be yours, but this has some interesting possible leads on the Ache families: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jemclean&id=I921 > # Name: Johan Ludwig ACHE # Sex: M # Birth: 26 MAR 1728 in Eisleben,Saxony,,Germany # Death: 6 FEB 1808 in German Twp,Fayette,PA,USA # Note: !BIRTH: Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; Circa 1721, Normandie. Al Horning records, pg 21. Enc 267; Eisleben, Pagerland, E. Germany. Elaine Ache TAKAHASHI. GEDCOM file; !MARRIAGE: First mg. from 1992 IGI (submitted by patron). No Enc; Early Lutheran Baptisms & Marriages in Southeastern PA. Records of Rev. John Casper Stoever from 1730-1779, pg 64. Enc 268; Second mg. from Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; First & Second Mg. (Anna & Elizabeth). Al Horning records, pg 21. Enc 267; !CHILDREN: History of the Juniata & Susquehanna Valleys in PA, pg 767.Enc242; Father of Johann Henrich, Host Church records, Tulpehocken Twp. Berks, PA from Guss (Family History Book) pg 238, SLC FHC 929.273 G973A. Enc 300; !DEATH: Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; His will dated 8 Jan, 1807. Fayette Co. PA wills, bk 1 pg 370. Film #0861066. Enc 245; !BURIAL: Buried on the family farm, later called Ache/Cover Cemetery, from Jonathon Walters. !NOTE: One of three brothers, who were French Huguenots. The brothers came to America September 22, 1752. Johan taught school in Philadelphia & then in Vincent, Chester Co. He served in a company against the Indians. He went to Tulpehocken, Berks Co. before 1759, then near Linglestown, Dauphin Co. in 1774 where he died after 1793. History of the Juniata & Susquehanna Valleys in PA, pg 767. Enc 242; Johann Ludwig, Hermannus & Johannes Jacob ACHE all arrived on the ship Halifax, on Sep 22, 1752. No ages or relationships are given. Ship records in PA German Pioneers, pg. 483-484. Enc 289; A short story about him is found in Al HORNING records pg 14 & 22-25. Enc 267; !FAMILY: He may have had a brother, Hermanus, who later became known as Henry. Henry lived in Heidelberg Twp, some six miles east of Lebanon. He died in 1786. His children and grandchildren are found in Al Horning records, pg 24-25. Enc 267; So, maybe Cathrina is related to these folks: "Johann Ludwig, Hermannus & Johannes Jacob ACHE all arrived on the ship Halifax, on Sep 22, 1752" Back to search techniques, one reason I am willing and happy to spend some time looking at dead ends like this is because it forces me to try different methods to find results. I'm constantly trying to refine various methodologies for finding leads and documentation. I'd like to outline a bit more of some of the search methods I use. I let this reply become a "thinking out loud" that shows the process that got me to the marriage records of Cathrina Ache and Adam Andreas as a result starting from Catherine and Adam Andrew. I have a lot of books and am often buying more but I tend to use them little as references because I spend all day on a couch in front of the PC. I work from home running an Internet based business (selling Oggz novelty LED lamps) and this gives me a lot of free time to distract myself from work. Some people smoke, drink, or eat. I breathe and live for the Internet and have been using the Web for 13 years now. To me, Google is the key to unlocking the Internet and the world. It's a dynamic company that keeps coming up with innovative products that are free. Google searches for info, products, maps... Everything tends to start with Google for me, from reading news to looking for those needles in haystacks, or shopping from home. I highly recommend Google Desktop. This indexes all web pages you browse and files you save on your PC. It will also index GEDCOM files on your PC though the results are hard to read. At least it can point you to GEDCOM files on your system that reference a name. Using Google Desktop, the more you browse online on genealogy sites, particlurly sites with indexes of names like tax lists, manuscript archives and such, the easier it is to find this info again on your own PC in future searches. Also it's great for finding things in email. I've also taken to downloading any useful looking electronic books I can find when possible as the full text indexing of these books may find results not listed in book indexes. I find in general the Google results don't tend to bring back genealogy sites high in results. Also, I find Ancestry.com a great resrouce but hard to justify the cost of. When I got a Family TRee Maker 2006 upgrade I looked at the various versions and found that one that sold for $45 included a 6 month free trial at Ancestry. That's an excellent value and the FTM software is much better and easier to use than it was when I bought a copy about 4 years ago. The ease of searching online through your own tree to Ancestry's data makes it well worth it, and the access to census records and ability to view and download the actual original census pages has more than paid for the cost of the software. Particularly once you get to 1850 and beyond where you can see the birth state or country listed for all family members on the census forms, and browsing neighbors on census pages nearby has also helped me some.